Free Grace theology is the gospel. We are justified by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Free Grace theology is the gospel. We are justified by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Sanctification has nothing to do with salvation from sin, only from its power (Romans 6:15-19). Justification, namely the imputed righteousness of Christ that forgives all sin past, present, and future, is what saves us from the eternal debt of sin in hell (Colossians 2:13-14).

Therefore, anybody who believes in the gospel, even if they bear no fruit, even if they apostatize, since they have been justified by their faith, can never lose salvation from hell (Romans 10:13). However, they will not inherit the eternal rewards Christ promised to believers gained in sanctification (1 Corinthians 3:12-14). But they will be glorified in the end along with Christians who did bear fruit because once you are saved you are always saved (John 10:28). Else how could Paul declare that we already sit together in the heavenly places in Christ, namely those who have believed, if glorification is not assured to all who believe? (Ephesians 2:4-6) You would not accuse him of demonical clairvoyance would you?

Therefore neither repentance, nor baptism, nor works, nor anything that we can do will save us from sin. Faith alone, or more accurately, only faith in Christ will justify us before God. Anyone teaching anything different teaches a works based gospel. Anyone who says sanctification is a necessary outcome of true justifying faith, or anyone who teaches that it somehow aids in a salvific process by which we come to be justified or come to inherit glorification, do not believe in the gospel but in a works based salvation.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is obviously it.

    My actual guess, is that middle-class and wealthier people have not actually gone through enough power processes in their mundane lives. Theyve had it easy. And so, the only form of power process they can find is this faux spirituality of works-salvation through mainstream religion.
    Poor people historically have been coerced into false religion either through violence or through the offer of hedonism. That is to say, they are either forced on threat of death, or their particular idolatrous religion grants them temporary ecstasies in this life. The biggest proponents, the biggest "true believers" of false religion have been the wealthy.
    The irony is that your immaterial spirit is the worst* thing you could bet on your own works. For every other aspect of your existence, work is good, work is great; you can build for yourself a lot on this earth; but your way into heaven? Only Jesus Christ has the power to do that for you.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have you not read Matthew or James??

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Have you not read Matthew or James??
      He obviously has.
      But have you read the rest of the Bible?
      Can you please COMPARE James with Romans 4, 1 Corinthians 3, Ephesians 2, etc. etc.?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have.

      Can you show me where James discusses how works save us from hell? Because it only appears that he is discussing experiential righteousness, the passage you're referring to in James 2 has nothing to do with positional righteousness which is what saves us from the debt of sin.

      As for Matthew, I bet you're making reference to Matthew 7:21-23 and Matthew 25:35-36.

      In the former passage, Christ says only those who do the will of the Father will inherit the Kingdom. What is the Father's will? That you believe in his Son (John 6:40). And anyone who believes in Jesus will rise to life on the last day as the passage confirms. It has nothing to do with works.

      As for Matthew 25:35-36, we know based on the context that this is the judgement of the nations which will happen at the end of the tribulation period, this has nothing to do with a kind of universal judgement of individuals as some heretic suppose, but only about which nations will pass into the 1000 year reign of Christ. Those that treated Christian good i.e. the sheep will see the millennial reign of Christ, those who persecuted Christians will be thrown into everlasting hell. It is corporate and has nothing to do with salvation from sin.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Define faith.

    What is the difference between the belief of a person who blindly accepts what they were taught through their parents, community, and culture and someone who studies their way to conversion? Is the latter not more genuine due to them having to struggle with believing in the first place while the other is simply parroting what they were indoctrinated since they were a child?

    Does one not have more respect for a professional who studied a particular field, thus trust in what they believe than someone who was taught from a textbook in school. With a professional you trust that know what they are talking. The layman is "I trust the science, bro," while the other is the science.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Faith is "the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1)

      More properly, Christian faith, the faith which justifies, is belief in the veracity of the gospel and all the facts asserted their in. Acceptance of this means acceptance of Christ as your savior.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That sounds too simple to be true. I am having a hard time understanding the point of that. With sacrifices like those in the old testament they make since in an exchange your resources as a punishment type of deal. Why does the new testament god require belief above all else?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What are you talking about? Faith has always been the basis for righteousness. "And he [Abraham] believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness." (Genesis 15:6) It was never about outward acts of obedience. The sacrifices of the Old Testament could not forgive sin! (Hebrews 10:4). Rather, just as the ordinances of the New Covenant point back to the reality of Christ's salvific work on the cross, so too did the ceremonial aspects of the Old Covenant point forward to Christ's salvific work on the cross. They were outward signs of invisible grace.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What are you talking about? Faith has always been the basis for righteousness. "And he [Abraham] believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness." (Genesis 15:6) It was never about outward acts of obedience. The sacrifices of the Old Testament could not forgive sin! (Hebrews 10:4). Rather, just as the ordinances of the New Covenant point back to the reality of Christ's salvific work on the cross, so too did the ceremonial aspects of the Old Covenant point forward to Christ's salvific work on the cross. They were outward signs of invisible grace.

        So a person who claims to have faith in Jesus but doesn't accept in the trinity, for whatever reason, is just as saved as a person who does accept the trinity? That is just one doctrine of contention. Are there other accepted doctrines that must be held in order to accept a persons faith in Jesus as legitimate?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you don’t believe Jesus Christ is God it’s not Jesus then.
          Secondly, his propitiation for sin is nonsensical if he was only a man.
          Thirdly, it’s nonsensical for he and the Father to be the same person

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You cannot put your faith in Christ if you do not believe in the Trinity. Because then you'd be putting your faith in a false Christ, not the Christ of the gospel, not the one of Christianity.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek. Bible bros are just like the reddit science bros.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Dirk

    >Therefore, anybody who believes in the gospel, even if they bear no fruit, even if they apostatize, since they have been justified by their faith, can never lose salvation from hell (Romans 10:13).
    That is *if* they have been justified. However, those without evidence of justification can be assumed to not have received it. Works function as a litmus test.

    James 2. No fruit? No living faith.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree both with your post, Dirk, and with OP.
      But why did you feel the need to respond in this way?
      Do YOU think OP is correct, or not? Because he is.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Dirk

        I disagree with OP

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Then you disagree with the fundamentals of the gospel.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But James is not talking about positional justification (our standing before God) that saves us from his wrath against the eternal debt of our sin; neither then can James have in mind here our final justification and glorification that of course are the natural end of our position in God's eyes which we receive, freely, by our faith, at our initial justification upon our acceptance of Jesus Christ. No, rather what James has in mind here is our experiential justification, and the salvation which he speaks of in verse 14 is salvation from the chastisement of God's wrath at the judgement seat of Christ for those who do not bear fruit, this is clear within the context:

      >If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
      >But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
      >For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
      >For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
      >So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
      >For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
      >What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Two points that Calvinists (who are not Christians by the way since they, like the Romanists and the rest of the Protestants, really believe in a works based gospel) do not grasp is that

      1. There are different senses of the word salvation in scripture, not all of them refer to salvation from the debt of sin, the consequences of which are eternal damnation. For example in Acts 27:34, the word soteria appears in the KJV as health since the men Paul was sailing with were being delivered from starvation when he offered them food. It obviously has nothing to do with salvation from sin.

      2. Scripture is also clear that there are eternal rewards for those who bear fruit in Christ, and that there will also be temporal punishments for those who are disobedient (Hebrews 12:6) including a fiery chastisement at the judgement seat of Christ (1 Corinthians 3:15). This temporal punishment at the judgement seat of Christ will aid the disobedient in sanctification. But they will lose out on the eternal reward promised to the obedient in heaven. Those who practice discipleship will reign with Christ as servants as part of their reward, but those who are disobedient will be guests at the marriage supper of the lamb (Matthew 22:2-10) as a depravation of any reward on their part.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Then why stop at justification?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ephesians 2:8-9 refers to works of the law
    If you literally read a verse later
    > 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
    The next verses end up talking about circumcision showing that “works” was referring to works of the law
    Also notice how Paul uses the past tense?
    > 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [l]this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
    You have been saved
    He is referring to initial salvation which is when you believe and get credited righteousness
    The Catholic church doesn’t teach that we are justified through faith and works
    Justification is through grace alone
    You didn’t do anything to “merit” it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Romans 5
      > 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
      >9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
      We are initially saved by grace

      But the final stages of justification require works
      > 15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under the Law but under grace? Far from it!
      >16 Do you not know that the one to whom you present yourselves as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of that same one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Romanist assertion that when Paul speaks of the law he exclusively means the ceremonial law is a profound lie, for how can scripture speak of us as being debtors to the law if that were the case? In fact sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4)!

      When we sin we are in the very act of breaking God's law. The problem with the Judaizers is that they believed they could be made righteous through following the commands of the law, it's not just that the Judaizers thought they were winning brownie points in God's eyes by keeping the law but that they were actually morally justified for doing so, which Paul shows us is impossible because all are breakers of the law, israelite and Gentile alike which is why he makes his point about it in Romans 3:9-19! It's also leads to the crux of his argument which is why we need the imputed righteousness of Christ!

      This is in direct contrast to the pagan Romanist doctrine of justification which states we ourselves can atone for our sins by our works thereby making us morally righteous which God rewards us by with salvation! But what does scripture say?

      >Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
      >But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
      (Romans 4:4-5)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Romanist doctrine of salvation doesn’t say that you’re saved through works
        Check the council of Trent

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Matthew 25:31-46
    The nations which fed and clothed will inherit the kingdom prepared for them since the founding of the world

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the israelites or the tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the israelites of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God—not because of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them (Eph. 2:8-10).
    Notice that Paul excludes works only with regard to that initial stage of salvation/justification. After we’re initially justified, then we must carry out the good works that God wills for us.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is someone who at one point truly and faithfully accepted Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior but ended up doing a full 180 and renounced the Christian religion and then went on to massacre 1000 infants still saved according to you?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. Once saved, always saved (John 10:28)

      The Romanist doctrine of salvation doesn’t say that you’re saved through works
      Check the council of Trent

      The Roman Council of Trent specifically says we can be justified by our own works and anathemizes any other position:
      >If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema
      >Council of Trent Session 6 Canon 30

      Roman Catholics actually think they can atone for their own sins. They deny the sufficiency of Christ's atonement which is once and for all (Hebrews 10:11-13).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >“If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or by the teaching of the Law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema” (Session 6; can. 1).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In the case of John 10:28, Jesus says that no one will be able to take us away from God. The language is similar to Paul’s in Romans 8:39 when he says that nothing in creation will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus. Both of these passages address the same fact that no one is capable of removing you from the grace of God. No one is capable of nullifying your salvation. It would be like saying that no one is capable of pulling you out of a car driving at eighty miles per hour. This does not mean that you are incapable of opening the door and jumping out. In the same way, John 10:28 does not mean that we are incapable of severing our relationship with God. Read on in John, and you’ll see why.

        >John 15
        > 6 If anyone does not remain in Me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >No one is capable of nullifying your salvation. It would be like saying that no one is capable of pulling you out of a car driving at eighty miles per hour. This does not mean that you are incapable of opening the door and jumping out. In the same way, John 10:28 does not mean that we are incapable of severing our relationship with God

          Correct. The verse is about God not severing his grace from us. What the justified does is irrelevant. Even if he freely chooses to reject Christ, even if he freely chooses to "open the car door", his salvation is still guaranteed. Your analogy would only suit the Romanist position if you assume that the grace of justification is lost through sin, but as I've shown above grace is freely given regardless of what you do, all you need is faith.

          >John 15:6
          You're assuming Jesus is talking about eternal damnation here when in reality he is talking about the temporal punishment of the disobedient at the judgement seat.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >after the grace of justification has been received

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That isn’t real and never will happen though. And you know it.
      It’s like asking
      >can someone be saved even if they’re 400 ft tall?
      OP is right but he’s not explaining true one caveat that once someone’s saved, the Holy Ghost indwells them, and they cannot become a depraved reprobate. That is, they will* desire to do good, even if they don’t do good at all. No saved person was a serial killer, avowed homosexual, or psychopath; to be such would be to be “filled with all unrighteousness”
      No works save you and nothing can cause you to lose your salvation but there are certain “unnatural” sins which a saved person will not desire to commit.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the six gorrillionth thread where christians debate over what paul means when he talks about justification
    this debate is endless will christians ever agree over anything?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think we have settled the debate this time
      Prots and Caths don’t understand the Catholic stance

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Both are wrong

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Radiochan

    no, bible makes it pretty clear you must repent, be baptized, and show the works of the holy spirit within you for salvation

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what denomination is op? which of them teach what op teaches?

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