Frick Mars

Honestly, frick this planet. Why would anyone want to go here? Why are people deluded enough to think that we could ever live or establish a colony on this dusty rock?

Nothing but rocks and sand, I hope you can make everything you need out of metal, ceramic and glass and don't need silly frivolities like rubber or plastic to, for example, insulate electrical wires. No you can't just shit in the dead martian dust and grow potatoes, that's bullshit, you need a functioning biosphere to grow plants, and even if you could grow something the cosmic radiation will frick them up because of Mars' piss weak magnetic.

We'd need Star Trek levels of replicator technology to live on Mars. If you have sufficient technology to live on Mars you have sufficient technology to live indefinitely in space, or on Earth itself after fricking it up.

Frick Mars

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Go home Jeff Bezos, you're drunk.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Elon, is that you?

      It was a nice and comfy place before it was nuked twice with massive bombs that destroyed all life.

      That was analysed on IQfy and found to be wrong.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >That was analysed on IQfy and found to be wrong.
        But was is analysed by snopes?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The IQfy analysis was plausible, the guff from Snopes is thinly disguised propaganda.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fricking cringe, reddit tier cringe

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We came from there. Saturn was our sun.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bet Jeff Bezos next business is hydrogen vehicle, competition against Tesla

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh from your lips to God's ears.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What in the frick? Is this bait? Mars is not a moon of Saturn, Mars is its own planet with its own separate orbit, and Saturn does not emit light and cannot function as a sun

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Something else a lot of people don't realize is that Mars is only about twice the size of the moon. That's the primary reason it doesn't have (basically doesn't have) an atmosphere. The second reason is that it's got no magnetic field so enjoy your space radiation.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it's got no magnetic field
      If it is trapped in the sun's orbit, then it has a magnetic field.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If it is trapped in the sun's orbit, then it has a magnetic field.
        Explain this to me like I'm a freshman in high school, please.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >high school
          It's true because I said so and if you disagree you're getting detention

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sexy detention? With female teacher's pets who will punish me?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        holy fricking what

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      speaking about the moon, shouldn't we terraform the moon first?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Moon has no sufficient atmosphere. Temperatures vary from human soup to human icicle with a 3 day intermediary period. Also fricking with the moon too significantly could be extinction level for Earth.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Also fricking with the moon too significantly could be extinction level for Earth.
          You have no idea just how big the moon is.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Minor variances in its tidally locked orbit could completely wreck our oceans. Moon is best left alone.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Do you have any conceptualization of how much energy it would take to change the moon's orbit by so much as an inch?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Congrats! Yes, people are stupid ignorant peasants. Most have absolutely no idea. Its easy to forget how the general population is absolutely devoid of such basic knowledge. Even if informed most can not grasp the implications.
      Remember this if you ever want to exploit these monkeys for your own personal gain.
      Also remember it next time you vote.
      And remember it when civilization collapses and we are forced to cull our numbers in order to survive.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Titan has the same gravity as the moon and a denser amosphere
      It has no magnetic field

      A large part of earths atmospheric density is thanks to outgassing from the ground, which helps offset losses from solar winds

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It was a nice and comfy place before it was nuked twice with massive bombs that destroyed all life.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there are processes to convert co2 (95% of mars' atmosphere) into methane by basically sticking it in a high pressure high temperature oven together with hydrogen. you could probably get most useful forms of plastics and silicone out of that if you really wanted to.
    setting up the kind of off-planet self sustaining industry for all of the manufacturing steps in that chain seems really not worth it though, since mars is and always will be a cold dead rock with a dwindling atmosphere and no magnetic field. it's just a shittier moon that's further away, harder to land on and take off from, and the only redeeming quality is its thin co2 atmosphere for making hydrocarbons in-situ.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >there are processes to convert co2 (95% of mars' atmosphere) into methane by basically sticking it in a high pressure high temperature oven together with hydrogen.
      Where would the heat and pressure come from? And the hydrogen?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Where would the heat and pressure come from? And the hydrogen?

        What the frick are you talking about? You use machines, like you know, on earth to make heat and pressure? Hydrogen is electrolysed from water which will be done anyway because you need both hydrogen and oxygen for chemical rocket fuel and breathing gas for colonists.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Hydrogen is electrolysed from water
          >green type
          What other color type?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There is "blue hydrogen" made from hydrocarbons.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >pink, red and purple
            Nuclear energy made into fuel resource
            >brown
            Distracting from natural coal and food waste
            >white
            Neo-gold rush h2
            >yellow
            Solar generate more h2

          • 1 month ago
            Barkon.

            It depends how good you are.

            Skill is one option. Vantage. Finance. Nature. Fame. Etc. There are hundreds of thousands of 'goods'.

            You won't be looked passed. You will be offered support if you're more than half-way there.

            Boxed investments are possible.

            You won't be given any special treatment but you will be considered in the first sitting.

            IQ doesn't matter.

          • 1 month ago
            Barkon.

            Boxes can be worth multi trillions. That's my only 'special treatment's.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >rubber or plastic
        Are you fricking moronic? Mars has H2O present as frozen ice, CO2's available in the atmosphere and as solid chunks. You can make a lot of different polymers from just hydrogen and carbon. But wait, there's also nitrogen in the atmosphere + sulfur and phosphorous in the dirt. You can make damn near anything organic with CHNOPS. Silicone can be made with hydrogen and silicon(dirt). All the elements are there to make plastic and rubber

        Hydrogen comes from frozen water ice. You get heat and pressure with nuclear power.

        Besides Earth it is the only place in the Solar system where the following 3 things all apply:
        - it has a gravity gradient
        - its surface is rocky. With that I mean silicate rocky, not mostly water-ice.
        - it has a significant atmosphere
        Because of that, metallurgy and steelmaking are only viable there, just like industry in general.
        * for most tasks like steelmaking, you need a gravity gradient. You can't cast iron in 0G
        * you can't mine for ores on a place where the surface is to a significant degree just water ice.
        * you need an atmosphere so the heat from the foundries and factories can be dumped into it. Everywhere else (besides Titan), having a foundry implies endless radiator fields to get rid of the waste heat. You don't need that on Mars.

        >can't cast iron
        Why the frick not? Just pump it in a mold
        >can't mine for ores
        Why the frick not? It's just moving dirt and rock?
        >need an atmosphere
        Radiators can be used to dispose of heat

        What planets on our solar system would be better for humans to settle? Maybe Venus?
        I know some of the planets are GAS giants so you can't even land of them.

        Venus has frick all hydrogen. Just refilling a rocket to get back is fricking insanity

        Agreed. Our moon can do everything Mars can, but better.

        The moon has frick all hydrogen. You know what industry and space bases need? Seals. Seals are best made from elastomers and you can't make elastomers without organics.

        I dare anyone to explain why bother with Mars before having lunar bases.
        All Mars has over our moon is trace atmosphere and some ice.
        A bit more gravity is nice, but also makes it much more expensive to move things to and from Mars.

        Hydrogen and carbon are way, way, more abundant on Mars.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Venus has #%*k all hydrogen
          Converting sulfuric acid and remaining misty vapor into H2

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's frick all sulfuric acid. When you look at how much atmosphere you gotta process to get enough hydrogen from sulfuric acid and other crap, it's insane. The mass flow rate similiar to the three gorges dam to refill starship in a year

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It not insane. This is space king!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            prove it. How would you refuel starship on Venus then? Show your math or GTFO!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'd probably have it aero drag into low orbit then descend and inflate balloons. Certain altitudes of venus are pretty earth like and the starship could float around and fuel off that atmosphere.
            Next. ..

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            sigh... do I have to explain everything to you? I said to SHOW YOUR MATH. Does that post have any math in it? NO.
            >Certain altitudes of venus are pretty earth like
            Never disputed that, HOWEVER, these are not the best altitudes for harvesting clouds. Peak cloud mass loading as measured by the Pioneer Venus Large Probe occurs at about 50 km and temperature's 77 C. That's a bit warm. Mass loading data from here:
            https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/176GM06
            Peak mass loading is about 90 mg/m^3 at 50 km and that's pretty much 100% sulfuric acid. This translate to droplet about 2 mm in diameter. Starship booster and all needs something like 4600 tons of methane. This means you need about 1160 tons of hydrogen. And hydrogen's 2.1% of the mass of H2SO4. So you need 1160 tons/0.021= 56,434 tons of sulfuric acid. Which means you need to process a volume of atmosphere equal to 56,434 tons /90 mg/m^3= 6.27e11 m^3
            density at this altitude's about 1.6 kg/m^3, so assuming we refill starship in one earth year we need a mass flow rate through whatever's filtering cloud out of the atmosphere of:
            (1.6 kg * ((56 434 000 kg) / (90 mg*~~ / (1 year) =31,792 kg/s
            or a volumetric flow rate of 19868.8554 (m^3) / second
            In comparison, a GE90 turbofan at take off has a mass flow rate of 1350 kg/s. So you need a mass flow rate roughly equal to 23.5 GE90s. Sucking clouds through a filter or cyclonic separator could work, but you need a lot of power. So one option is to take advantage of different wind speeds at different altitudes to pull a filter through the air
            https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Zonal-wind-speeds-for-latitudes-up-to-40-from-the-Venus-International-Reference_fig2_275040899

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The world highest kite was flown to about 4.9 km. The difference in mean wind speed from the Venus International Reference Atmosphere between 50 km and 55 km is like 6.2 m/s
            we need a surface area of 19868.8554 (m^3) / second / 6.2 m/s =3204.65 m^2. Which means we need a sail or filter of some sort of 61 m in diameter. Which is sort of comparable to the wing span of a 747. I'll admit this isn't too insane. In fact, fishing supertrawler drag nets that are 200 meters across. This does assume you can collect 100% of cloud particles that pass through the filter. In reality, this isn't likely to be the case. The other problem is that your 'cloud trawler' needs to overcome a ~3.4 m/s wind that's pushing it to the poles. Counteracting this is nontrivial.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Venus rocket refueling
          probably gonna want some kind of exclusively C/N/O based bipropellant, because those are all stupidly abundant in the Venusian atmosphere.

          there's always the ol' dicyanoacetylene/ozone rocket for your "the engine has become a fuel additive" needs at a chilly flame temperature of >6000C, merely hotter than the surface of the sun.

          the point is you can get some pretty energetic fuels without hydrogen (thank you, stupidly high stabilities of the dinitrogen triple bond + carbon-oxygen double bond, and your gaseous products). yes, it'll never have SI as good as a hydrogenated fuel, but there's so much energy available at Venus and so much fuel feedstock just floatin' around everywhere, lack of hydrogen doesn't strike me as a rocket fuel dealbreaker. you're gonna want to keep your hydrogen in closed loop systems as much as you can in a place like Venus - i imagine it would look a lot like what we sometimes do with helium

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Tardfricker has spoken!
          All hail the mighty Tardfricker!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Now we need bigger moxie converting H2

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Except the total amount of atmosphere on Mars is about 2% of that on Earth.
      So you’d have to filter the air for long periods of time before getting very small quantities of CO2 to work with.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hey yeah i'm fricking moronic too and haven't heard of an air compressor

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the better place to do stuff like that is Venus, by FAR - last time i did back-of-the-napkin calculations for it it seemed like Venus has substantially more carbon in its atmosphere alone than Earth does from all known carbon reservoirs, including carbonate minerals, which was staggering to me. Venus also comes with a local source of hydrogen in the form of sulfuric acid clouds. and ample solar flux for power. and readily available sources of the pressures/temperatures needed for the Bosch/Sabatier reactions.

      the Bosch reaction is probably ideal here if you wanted to terraform Venus by reducing its greenhouse effect - it generates solid carbon from CO2 and uses 1/3 less hydrogen gas. you could just dump the carbon back down to the surface (from your breathable atmosphere floating balloon outpost) if you wanted, the supercritical CO2 down there would keep the oxygen waste product higher in the atmosphere (seriously, there'd be way more of it than could be consumed by breathing), preventing a back-reaction.

      i suppose there's the possibility of carbothermal reduction of oxyanion and oxide minerals at the temperatures and pressures at the surface, but for sulfates that would actually help to cool the atmosphere by dredging up more SO2 into it, which in turn would accelerate the generation of sulfuric acid clouds for hydrogen sourcing for your Bosch/Sabatier reactions. oh, and your balloon colony would be floating at about 50-55km from the surface, right near the cloud layer, so you're quite close to your hydrogen source already.

      Venus is so much better than Mars.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The difference in temperature between the upper and lower atmosphere of Venus would provide basically infinite energy, you would never need solar there.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          taking advantage of that differential requires heat exchange infrastructure that's kilometers long - i suppose it's not impossible in theory, once you've gotten local manufacturing going, but getting that going is going to have to start with solar. and you're still likely to do both regardless. and you're gonna have a hell of a time not losing the heat to leakage on that kilometers-long journey up through the Venusian atmosphere before it can power whatever Carnot cycle generator you're using.

          solar also provides a potential solution to the day/night issue in the form of large shades covered in solar panels and using slightly less dense lifting gasses to be held above the balloon dwellings. a shade with n openings for a radial, equidistant arrangement of n balloon dwellings would only need to rotate fully once every n Earth days if the balloon dwellings were given enough space between them. the need to adjust for solar angle would be basically nonexistent - you'd be getting ideal angles for solar panel operation at all times if you set things up right.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          so how do you harness that temperature difference?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I would reckon you cycle a fluid and use the expansion to spin a turbine

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's great anon, but how the frick do you move the heat like 10s of kilometers?

          • 4 weeks ago
            New Barkon
          • 4 weeks ago
            New Barkon

            Just making sure the board is cleaned.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Finnish-Japanese new pact:

            https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/production/japan-plans-hydrogen-production-with-next-generation-nuclear-reactor-using-heat-and-only-minimal-electricity/2-1-1621135
            https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Fortum,-OKG-announce-hydrogen-plans

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hmm it's definitely going to be some kind of tube

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's fricking ridiculous. Instead you could do something like a slocum glider, but like a balloon that repeated goes up and down using the temperature changes to cause changes in buoyancy. How you actually generate power with this is beyond me, but I think NASA made some floats like this that do this in the ocean. You could certainly use the up and down motion to move a filter through the air to do cloud harvesting. My autism demands that I watch anime right now, I'll dig out the VIRA tables later

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          taking advantage of that differential requires heat exchange infrastructure that's kilometers long - i suppose it's not impossible in theory, once you've gotten local manufacturing going, but getting that going is going to have to start with solar. and you're still likely to do both regardless. and you're gonna have a hell of a time not losing the heat to leakage on that kilometers-long journey up through the Venusian atmosphere before it can power whatever Carnot cycle generator you're using.

          solar also provides a potential solution to the day/night issue in the form of large shades covered in solar panels and using slightly less dense lifting gasses to be held above the balloon dwellings. a shade with n openings for a radial, equidistant arrangement of n balloon dwellings would only need to rotate fully once every n Earth days if the balloon dwellings were given enough space between them. the need to adjust for solar angle would be basically nonexistent - you'd be getting ideal angles for solar panel operation at all times if you set things up right.

          You can just stick a really long u shaped pipe out the bottom of the balloon that dips far enough down to make supercritical steam and you have infinite free energy and heat to keep your cloud city afloat

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that was exactly the system i was imagining, and the problem of heat loss from that supercritical steam through the massive surface of the kilometers-long pipe, just dumping it uselessly into the higher, cooler parts of the Venusian atmosphere before it gets to your generator, is exactly the problem i was describing.

            not an insurmountable problem. hell of a problem to surmount, though.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The energy is inexhaustible so efficiency doesnt really matter. Were already doing it on earth, venus would be even easier since theres no drilling

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            On earth it travels 500m

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        also, forgot to mention - the Bosch reaction allows you to reuse all of the hydrogen you collect. the net reaction is just CO2 splitting if you electrolyze the water. sequestering hydrogen in plastics via methane-based plastic manufacture is probably not a good idea long term, using it as rocket fuel is even worse (you're losing most of it permanently with every lauch). you're going to want materials with a very high carbon predominance if you can help it. luckily... that makes for some damn good materials.

        people often forget the Bosch reaction exists because methane is commonly produced industrially, and you can just mine for carbon, but in a hydrogen constrained environment like Venus, making highly hydrogenated hydrocarbons is also constrained.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        oh, shit, i was wrong - Bosch only uses HALF the amount of hydrogen as Sabatier (per mol of CO2), not 2/3rds. i was thinking of the H2 fraction in CO methanation, not Sabatier

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And how would this be done? By "terraforming"™?
      Chris McKay estimates 100,000 years for a simple approach to reach a breathable atmosphere, Zubrin estimates it could be accomplished as quickly as 900 years in an "optimistic scenario", more complex approach, with mega-engineering (aka Star Trek fantasy bullshit) such as giant space mirrors to reflect more sunlight to Mars.
      There is the danger of all the CO2 getting turned into limestone or other forms of calcite or similar minerals, and is permanently removed from the atmosphere and is extremely hard to release again, we don't even know how early Mars lost its atmosphere. Or a micro-organism or higher organism evolves on our transformed Mars which is either hazardous to humans, a disease or an allergen, or damaging to our crops or animals. Because of the lower gravity it needs about 3 times as much mass for the same atmospheric pressure, similarly needs three times the mass of oxygen per square meter for a breathable atmosphere, this might also cause issues for humans if they live there permanently.
      Mars is further from the sun - so we just get about half the light we get here on Earth. It has also no continental drift, so long term it may lose all its atmosphere - on Earth the atmosphere is maintained long term by volcanic eruptions - which is also probably the main thing that got Earth out of its ice phases.
      The planet has much less nitrogen than Earth, which is important in our atmosphere as a buffer (77% of the atmosphere), as well as needed by many plants. A CO2 atmosphere with no buffer is poisonous for humans even when it has enough oxygen to breathe. An almost pure oxygen atmosphere (as in spacesuits) is breathable, but hard to achieve biologically, is also flammable, and you get oxygen toxicity on long timescales for humans. Some compromise might work, using smaller amounts of nitrogen than for Earth, but this is not certain.
      Humanity will die on this planet.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The pressure is already high enough in certain places for liquid water to form under the right conditions. Even a small increase in pressure will likely result in the creation of lakes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cool. And? How does this make it anymore likely that one day humans will settle on Mars?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wanna live there.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We should launch all our nuclear stockpile there to see what happens tbh.

    Also, the image looks like it has 4 poles, which would be based.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's so hot that it would melt a human. How would anyone think it's possible to colonize that shithole planet

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It's so hot that it would melt a human. How would anyone think it's possible to colonize that shithole planet

      moron, we are going to live in comfy underground cities built in lavatubes.
      Water is available in Mars, metals can be harvested in the belt by robotic probes, only thing we will need is a regular supply of manure and fertilizer to be send in starships.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why not just live in comfy underground tunnel cities in the Antarctic bedrock beneath the miles of ice? With simpler technology and logistics than it requires for Mars you could build something that survives any disaster on Earth short of the physical annihilation via of the planet itself. Name me ONE disaster which could befall Earth which couldn't be survived in terrestrial subterranean bases more easily than Martian ones.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          sunstorm

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Humans of low light reflectivity.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Overpopulation

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            with many anime waifu

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >just live in the inner earth bro
          >just live in Agartha with the breakaway Nazis bro

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >only thing we will need is a regular supply of manure and fertilizer to be send in starships.

        Mars will be colonized by indians

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Canadian/Mexican or Argentine/Brazilian

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Botpost

      >It's so hot that it would melt a human. How would anyone think it's possible to colonize that shithole planet

      moron, we are going to live in comfy underground cities built in lavatubes.
      Water is available in Mars, metals can be harvested in the belt by robotic probes, only thing we will need is a regular supply of manure and fertilizer to be send in starships.

      Another botpost

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >you need a functioning biosphere to grow plants
    not at all
    all you need is hydroponics, water recycling and a trickle of nitric acid (because of denitrifying bacteria)

    >silly frivolities like rubber
    rubber can be made from dandelion or synthetically
    there are two reasons why nobody is growing dandelions for rubber commercially right now
    1) rubber trees grow in tropics and labour cost is pennies on the dollar there
    2) dandelion roots are fragile and unsuitable for soil farming, so you need to use hydroponics (which you need on Mars anyway)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So essentially people on Mars are meant to wear

      [...]

      ?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/yfwadbj.jpeg

        /S/tfu

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine making an entire career and MIT job out of a product that doesn’t work.
        And MIT is too proud to admit their mistakes and fire her.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >that doesn’t work
          Source? The reasoning behind the design seems sound.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The principle is sound and was tested and found promising years ago, but that MIT prostitute has no interest in actually developing it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So if they haven't developed it, what have they done then?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Woah cool suit

            Reminder that 100% of crimes committed in space have been done by female NASA astronauts.

            >roastie
            Yike

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It is about time the astronauts looked like the future is here.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That future is only going to be here if Ozempic turns out to not have some serious side effects.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So the space race will be won by the Japanese?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's hot

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Good luck!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >He thinks there are no ways to remove perchlorate
        you're the kind of person who gives up after one obstacle appears

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >He thinks there are no ways to remove perchlorate
        you're the kind of person who gives up after one obstacle appears

        "not because they are easy, but because they are hard" why not we invest fee trillion buckarinos into space programs and get maybe a self sustained socialist dream world( DDR Mondbasis) but maybe we should try it with the moon or even our own oceans and build undersea cities. And we won't need soil or any other shit if we finally decide to use Formose sugar reactors and synthetic aminoacids. And we could easily make glycine and fat acids. I don't understand botanic homosexuals and agriculture queers thinking they are the only ones that can make food. Synthetic food is far superior and I won't eat ze bugs even on mars.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >1 acre
      >250 truck tires
      That doesn’t seem very good.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's about the same as rubber tree plantation
        except you don't need to wait 1-2 decades before you can harvest it and you can stack hydroponic basins on top of each other

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You need 1 atmosphere of presurrized air too which you have to bring from earth becauase mars is a shithole with barely any air and negligible nitrogen

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Stomatal diffusion of atmospheric oxygen is necessary for ATP production during light-indepedent photosynthesis. Plants do need oxygen and they don't get it from the roots. You're right in general about a controlled environment being needed on Mars anyway, though

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jover

      >No you can't just shit in the dead martian dust and grow potatoes
      This is true but it wasn't known yet when The Martian was made. The toxic perchlorate content of Mars' soil was discovered later

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    and as for plastics
    there's also pretty likely chance there's abiotic oil/NG on Mars (as evidenced by impossibly high trace amounts of methan in atmosphere as well as traces of benzene and propen is rocks)

    and even if you could not find any, there's still
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction
    all you need energy, CO2 and water, all of which are available

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >oil/NG on Mars
      Michael Bay thanks you for inspiring Armageddon II: Martian Boogaloo.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mars moons look kinda cozy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They will probably be handy as waystations and fuel depots.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Useful as artificial magnetosphere?

      What planets on our solar system would be better for humans to settle? Maybe Venus?
      I know some of the planets are GAS giants so you can't even land of them.

      Cut monthly flyby with Venusian gravity pull catapult

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What planets on our solar system would be better for humans to settle? Maybe Venus?
    I know some of the planets are GAS giants so you can't even land of them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      earth

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Godlike

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Venus has a day 243x longer than ours and is like 900 degrees on the surface so no not venus

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Atmosphere is so dense, you need no parachute.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >a day 243x longer than ours
        Have sunshade construction to simulate more than 24 hour.
        >900 degrees on the surface
        Cloud city base and use artificial moon transport supplies

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >sunshade
          you can do that with Mars too
          >Cloud city
          cloud cities are a waste of time. If you're going to do all that you might as well construct rotating habitats in space

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >sunshade
          Use Mars as the sun shade.
          >move Venus into Earth's orbit in L3
          >move Mars into Venus' orbit in L1
          >thaw out Mars and cool down Venus
          >maybe set up some kind of conduit to siphon off Venus' atmosphere to Mars
          >wait half a million years or so
          >you've got a pair of planets that might be usable... but probably not, so just break them down for parts and build habitats out of them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A trillion money on megaprojects gravity pull spacecraft…

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >move Venus into Earth's orbit in L3
            Lagrange points don't work that way. They only work with one big object, one smaller object, and one tiny object. You can't put a planet in another planet's L points.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think the rations should be at least 25 : 1 for this to work. Theia was a bit on the heavy side and gave Earth a bad day.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Explain the advantage of engineering a flying city over just living in an orbiting station?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There is none.
            Anon just thinks the idea of a 'cloud city' is cool.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There is none.
            Anon just thinks the idea of a 'cloud city' is cool.

            One day.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Altitude_Venus_Operational_Concept

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Venus has a day 243x longer than ours
        only because of the dummy thicc atmosphere
        > 900 degrees on the surface
        only because of the dummy thicc atmosphere
        i can fix her
        just give me sci-fi technology to perform planetary engineering and to crack up her crust to stop the catastrophic runaway greenhouse effect

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >dummy thicc atmosphere
          >daughter of "Venus" god
          She sure does

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Given enough time I think at least some humans are going to end up on all of them except maybe Venus. Earth will always have most people though since life support is free, so any industries in space will probably just be a few maintenance workers and shit tons of robotic equipment

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Given enough time I think at least some humans are going to end up on all of them except maybe Venus.
        I am intrigued and looking forward to an explanation how Jupiter can be more habitable than Venus.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Strongest gravitational field
          I would argue Saturn ring colony and cloud city in Neptune

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There aren't any, some places might be worth visiting but still require a ton of effort. Like Europa, it'd be cool to see if there's an ocean with alien life under those miles of ice, good luck getting there with a submarine though

      Also space colonisation means the absolute end of liberalism, given that liberal philosophy is based on the concept of man in a state of nature and natural rights. There are no natural rights in space, whoever controls the life support system is master.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Like Europa

        Jupiter's magnetic field is like nuclear levels of insane. Enjoy your radiation AIDS and third eye growing on your balls.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      venus is basically hell

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Venus is based. I wish the earth became more like it to wipe the slate clean.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Earth, moron

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        obviously he was talking about planets other than Earth, moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Titan

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Europa (origin of Europe)

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Heh... You're right. The thing most dummies don't realize is that the planet dosen't have a magnetic field around it. Probably why it's losing it's atmosphere. If humans ever go there, they're gunna need to dig underground real fast or already have domes built by robots. The Sun don't give a frick about farting deadly radiation across your planet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The thing most dummies don't realize is that the planet dosen't have a magnetic field around it

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    mars sucks, if space is ever colonized its going to be in places with weak gravity wells like asteroids and the moon since the weaker gravity wells make it viable to export extracted resources from them. Mars is unsuitable for mining but it also sucks to live on so whats the point?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Who is your favorite NBA player?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        My is diva from cyberteam in akihabara

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Besides Earth it is the only place in the Solar system where the following 3 things all apply:
      - it has a gravity gradient
      - its surface is rocky. With that I mean silicate rocky, not mostly water-ice.
      - it has a significant atmosphere
      Because of that, metallurgy and steelmaking are only viable there, just like industry in general.
      * for most tasks like steelmaking, you need a gravity gradient. You can't cast iron in 0G
      * you can't mine for ores on a place where the surface is to a significant degree just water ice.
      * you need an atmosphere so the heat from the foundries and factories can be dumped into it. Everywhere else (besides Titan), having a foundry implies endless radiator fields to get rid of the waste heat. You don't need that on Mars.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >it has a significant atmosphere
        You are mistaken, sadly. What Mars uses for an atmosphere would count as a pretty good vacuum in a laboratory on earth.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Moon is better than Mars for any of that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Moon has very little carbon.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The Moon is better than Mars for any of that.

            Perfect opportunity for space
            factory production using strategic solutions mining Caelus, Neptune and Jupiter’s atmosphere.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Finnish-Japanese new pact:

            https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/production/japan-plans-hydrogen-production-with-next-generation-nuclear-reactor-using-heat-and-only-minimal-electricity/2-1-1621135
            https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Fortum,-OKG-announce-hydrogen-plans

            [...]

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ammonia carrier of fuel cell/IC engine
            https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2020/ee/c9ee02873k

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can't cast iron in 0G
        Obviously not true.
        About heat you can use water, abundant for example on ceres.
        Lack of water is a real obstacle about asteroids, it's useful on many levels.
        For the record mars atmosphere at such low pressure isn't that great either, radiators would need to be large anyway if you want to use that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Obviously not true.
          Whatever tech we use needing gravity, would be obsolete in 0G and likely greatly handicapped on an asteroid with like 0.02% Earth gravity.
          Of course, we can develop tech that does not rely on significant gravity. But that is an additional demand that has just been introduced, instead of posing no additional demands like with the Martian option.
          >About heat you can use water, abundant for example on ceres.
          Good answer. Ceres could of course also be a good location for industry. But I don't think it will ever attract a human settler, unlike Mars could. Reasons are as pseudo-trivial as Mars offering sunrises and a bright sky, while with Ceres there is no perceptual difference from just inhabiting open space (besides grav).
          >For the record mars atmosphere at such low pressure isn't that great either, radiators would need to be large anyway if you want to use that.
          As the head honcho says, the best part is no part. Early industry will profit greatly from one giant headache (heat) being downgraded to a small headache or even just minor consideration, like the aid of 1% atmosphere does.

          Well the most compelling reason to have colonies in space beyond research would be extracting elements that are rare in earths crust and dropping them to earth. A lot of shit would be harder in space, but all you need is the ability to purify whatever you are mining enough so it is economic to ship, likely with electrolysis since nuclear power and solar energy is super easy to do in space. Speaking of this, launch costs will likely stay expensive, so if manufacturing solar panels in space proves to be cheaper per kilogram of panel than launching them from earth, asteroid mining could support orbital solar power which is pretty neat.

          Non-local resource extraction is a very involved process. At the minimum at the start of space colonization, all the resources will be extracted locally. Waiting for asteroid mining is a fool's errand when you could just start a low-tech iron mine (pressurized as well, so you don't even need to have some spacesuit. You can LARP like it's 1899 as a miner with a pickaxe) on Mars.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >- it has a gravity gradient
        Really?? How can you have a body with its own strong gravitation without a gravity gradient?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well the most compelling reason to have colonies in space beyond research would be extracting elements that are rare in earths crust and dropping them to earth. A lot of shit would be harder in space, but all you need is the ability to purify whatever you are mining enough so it is economic to ship, likely with electrolysis since nuclear power and solar energy is super easy to do in space. Speaking of this, launch costs will likely stay expensive, so if manufacturing solar panels in space proves to be cheaper per kilogram of panel than launching them from earth, asteroid mining could support orbital solar power which is pretty neat.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Humanity started around rocks and sand

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lol, the ignorance of you sheltered stupid little fricks is so laughable.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why would anyone want to go here?
    bragging rights

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why would anyone want to go here?
    I think it would look cool. That's it. Honestly that's any reason to visit any terrestrial world in the solar system. btw some of the replies in this thread make me sad from how stupid they are.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I agree. Wanderlust is a very human drive, and it is a sign of the time that people do not want to go out to explore.
      Also, Mars has an eerie beauty of its own with a great landscape such as Valles Marineris.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The stored hydrogen gas is injected into the combustion engine, where it is ignited to power the vehicle. Colonization project opportunity for new economic fuel.

    https://phys.org/news/2021-10-mars-colony-hydrogen-factory-propellant.html#:~:text=Those%2520aren%2527t%2520the%2520only%2520stipulations%252C%2520though%E2%80%94having%2520launch%2520infrastructure,hydrogen%2520straight%2520from%2520the%2520Martian%2520surface%2520into%2520orbit.

    (planet S) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx0fmVvDSDY
    (planet U) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H5IGr-qbEc
    (planet J) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tEN3XNtWnk

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    because earth will be even less hospitable at some point

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not until the sun runs out of hydrogen.
      https://extinctionclock.org/
      Go glue yourself to a road climate troony

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's more about the people shitting it up

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >futurama
          >EvergreenFir
          Every time

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No matter how shitty earth gets, it's basically guaranteed that it's always going to be better than anywhere else.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Mars may have almost no atmosphere, but it also has almost no israelites.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >almost no israelites
            What the frick do you mean "almost"?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nazis have a base on the dark side of the Moon, and israelites have one on the dark side of Mars.
            Try to read more, Anon, this is WWII basic knowledge.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's always a few

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Not until the sun runs out of hydrogen.
        It doesn't have to for everything here to get cooked.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off oil oilisraelite moron

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    we just got permission today to go to mars and the factory is NOW producing it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not so fast, Anon.

      First we have to be sure it's completely devoid of life or even devoided of proto-life processes to do something more than a landing mission.

      The moment life or a process that will lead to life is confirmed on Mars it will be declared a protected natural reserve and any further mission will comply with very strict ethical standards.

      Moon will be easier, to be honest.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        lol, as if that matters, 99.9999% of Earth's population would happily commit planetary biocide if it meant getting a Mars selfie. That percentage gets much closer to 100% if there were any resources worth exploiting

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        OH WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE BACTERIA

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Someone have already. And there are rules in place.
          The only thing that realistically can reverse this, is if someone finds ancient ruins indicating a past with intelligent life.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            we left poop on the moon

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We never went to the moon.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It would be easier to study potential life on Mars with a colony there.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    thread theme

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Latins otaku thread?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_CC_Xl2pg0

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a desert at the bottom of a gravity well and a total fricking meme. All the good shit mankind or an AI needs to build anything useful is scattered around on asteroids, comets and minor moons, once you get over the biological need for gravity. Musk just wanted an oversized rocket for his Starlink satellites and used a nerd meme to attract investment.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this is irrelevant when rockets are cheap

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What a moronic Black personly thing to say. You should have a nice day.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cope sneed dilate

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The spinqueer fears the gravity well, because once on solid ground he's afraid he'll never get off again.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it use to have water and can still have it underground, Mars colonies will have to deal with constant wars though

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, frick the East Indies. Why would anyone want to go here? Why are people deluded enough to think that we could ever live or establish a colony on these unknowable lands?

    Nothing but rocks and sand, I hope you can make everything you need out of metal, ceramic and glass and don't need silly frivolities like timber or iron to, for example, create a proper tea kettle. No you can't just shit in the dead island dust and grow potatoes, that's bullshit, you need a functioning biosphere to grow plants, and even if you could grow something the island waves will frick them up because of the Indies' piss weak shores.

    Frick the East Indies

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As a chud I wanna live on Evropa

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    American mad again?

    [...]

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    7 hours until death

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Most of the planets in this solar system are kinda gay. Gas giants moons and dwarf planets are pretty cool tho. But they're obviously even worse choice for living than Mars. If there's a chance to land on Mars and plant a flag to flex, sure, that would be cool.

    The only feasable way forward is maybe cancelling the IIS and have a scientific outpost on Earths moon. And focus on finding ayy fish somewhere.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >frick Mars
    That's kinda gay, OP.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Asteroid mining base

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The stored hydrogen gas is injected into the combustion engine, where it is ignited to power the vehicle. Colonization project opportunity for new economic fuel.

      https://phys.org/news/2021-10-mars-colony-hydrogen-factory-propellant.html#:~:text=Those%2520aren%2527t%2520the%2520only%2520stipulations%252C%2520though%E2%80%94having%2520launch%2520infrastructure,hydrogen%2520straight%2520from%2520the%2520Martian%2520surface%2520into%2520orbit.

      (planet S) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx0fmVvDSDY
      (planet U) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H5IGr-qbEc
      (planet J) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tEN3XNtWnk

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Indeed

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because nothing could ever be worse than Earth

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mars has
    >no murderers
    >no rapists
    >no crime
    >no high interest rates
    >no late fees
    >no unemployment
    >no corruption
    >no greed
    >no envy
    >no loneliness
    >no pain
    >no suffering
    >no wars
    vs. Earth

    • 1 month ago
      Barkon.

      There's gonna be a big change to Mars soon. Mars is ours.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder that 100% of crimes committed in space have been done by female NASA astronauts.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm gonna need a fact check on that

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No one cares if you believe the Sun rises in the east or not.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Soon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not in your lifetime

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    best option rn is ganymede or europa for subterranean living. Also Syd Mead style ring space stations

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Also Syd Mead style ring space stations
      The best option for space colonisation

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Have Venus colonization test to terraforming plan

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You have no right to say what is or isn't possible, we can do anything.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No u

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just because you can doesn't mean it's worth it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        theres no other option sojlent drinker, mars is the closest, anything else and you make it years of travel time

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There's literally one way closer, go outside and look up. the moon is way more valuable and cost-effective than mars. by the time the moon is developed enough as a colony, the technology will be there to skip right past mars. the most mars will ever get is like a few scientific outposts at most.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the moon is way more valuable
            Why? As a thing for people to say we did sure, it's cool. But why is it valuable in any real sense of the word? It's some of the worst real estate in the known universe. It just has the virtue of being kinda relatively close to us.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Plus, it's hollow.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >we can do anything
      We literally can't though. There's tons of stuff that's either literally impossible or so impractical it's out of our reach.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mars looks like it takes about twice the delta v to land on than landing on the Moon. Getting fuel out of Earth's gravity well is expensive so 2X is significant but not show stopping. Basically one trip to Mars equals two trips to the Moon for equal mass. Equal mass wouldn't be the case if it is a manned mission since life supplies for humans would be greater on the longer trip to and from Mars. Still, compared to the mass of fuel and the ship, it's not all that much.
    Finding a way to produce fuel on the Moon would be amazing but I've yet to see anything really solid in that regard, just theories.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      aerobraking

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lol planets are so 21st century

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      not far from literal hell

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine a space civ where, thanks to robotics, we are all so rich and high in resource abundance that each family can own their own ring home. A family of 5 and 100 worker bots can maintain the plantation and the craft. We all get to live on acres of farmland in space and it's all for ourselves!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, until its government imports muslim immigrants for "more diversity" and they blow up some vital system of the ship

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think you misunderstood

            A single family owns an entire ship
            There are no immigrants, just a billion micro ring worlds scattered across the solar system

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >just a billion micro ring worlds scattered across the solar system
            what would ring wars look like?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why would that future ever be provided for you?

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It Will always be a dead world as a whole but it's not impossible to make a self sustaining city sized terrarium in the future.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rome was founded by the sons of Mars.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We could move all the factories in there and let them pollute in peace, because it doesn't harm a dead planet.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This board argues over planets like IQfy argues over underage cartoon girls.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Frick Mars
    Yeah me too I would like to frick a red hot chick.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >red hot chick
      >Starfire race
      Big titty (& eye) anime bae gonna get real.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I dare anyone to explain why bother with Mars before having lunar bases.
    All Mars has over our moon is trace atmosphere and some ice.
    A bit more gravity is nice, but also makes it much more expensive to move things to and from Mars.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >trace atmosphere
      This makes a ton of difference. You can pump oxygen out of it and vent to it.
      >some ice
      Another massive advantage. It's not some ultra-rare thing in special craters at the south pole. It's everywhere and you use a shovel.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >trace atmosphere
      This makes a ton of difference. You can pump oxygen out of it and vent to it.
      >some ice
      Another massive advantage. It's not some ultra-rare thing in special craters at the south pole. It's everywhere and you use a shovel.

      Mars has valuable resources but the moon is closer and has strategic positions such as Peaks of Eternal Light. IT is likely that the moon will be seen to have military values, especially in the regions with ice, which can be used for fuel.
      Many serious military papers have been written on the strategic value of the moon in a space war scenario.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Peaks of Eternal Light.
        does it have those?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Supposedly several, both on the north and south pole. The lunar inclination is just 3 degrees so it doesn't take much.

          >Many serious military papers have been written on the strategic value of the moon
          homosexual literature

          Got kicked out of the military?
          Some of the space power guys seemed rather cool.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Many serious military papers have been written on the strategic value of the moon
        homosexual literature

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Venus drawing Satanic pentagrams around Earth with its path?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't ask questions you are ill prepared for.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is what blue hydrogen looks like. This is not a render.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hxFjKuDqd0

      https://i.imgur.com/foTIAv3.gif

      Don't ask questions you are ill prepared for.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      V-Venus chan??? what are you doing???

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/P7MjJI3.jpeg

        >dummy thicc atmosphere
        >daughter of "Venus" god
        She sure does

        Now that more hotter

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dumb idiot doesn't realize these figures are what happens when you have a point of a sphere rolling around another sphere.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Autists have a difficult time understanding dry humor.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Act like literally every mentally ill /x/phile
          >"Bro it was obviously dry humor what r u autistic."

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >still unable to distinguish between obvious sarcasm and literal expression of beliefs
            >still doesn't realize 95%+ of /x/ is LARP
            pretty clearly autistic

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's nothing obviously pointing to it being a joke when many people sincerely believe that stuff, you didn't say anything they don't believe or use any hyperbole that would suggest lampshading.
            >95%+ of /x/ is LARP
            Bullshit, if you actually believe this you're a rube.
            But if it were true that would be endlessly more pathetic than genuine schizos.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            anon you're literally incapable of discerning tone. this is fricking textbook autism.

            >that would be endlessly more pathetic
            what delusions are you under that would lead to the conclusion /x/ ISN'T endlessly pathetic? about the only thing it has going for it is not being /misc/, /b/, or IQfy

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Or maybe your jokes aren't as obvious as you think.
            I literally have family that believe lizard people control the world.
            All the Saturn black cube/ sacred geometry shit anons post is genuine, just because you think "oh yeah all these people are just playing a decades long joke to nobody" doesn't mean it's true.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Beep boop, there is no evidence of joking here, beep boop

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Agreed. Our moon can do everything Mars can, but better.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Barkon = bot?

    • 1 month ago
      Barkon.

      No I'm just bicameral.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Let's assume for a second that moon landing was not a hoax, how fricking lame is it that that decades later, with so many technological advancements, we have not sent people to Mars yet? It's like humans want to rush to extinction.

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Built nuke reactor instead bomb it?

    https://phys.org/news/2012-03-nuclear-power-hydrogen-fuel-economy.html

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's just the closest rock that won't crush us to death or burn us alive. Also it had water sometime in its history opening up the possibility for martian life sometime in the past.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that won't crush us to death or burn us alive
      And what about the moon, can that do either??

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FRICK URF

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FRICK EVERY PLANET.
    DO THE PLOT OF BIOMEGA OR DIE TRYING!

  53. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't Mars and Cares get together?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >crash ceres into mars
      Dangerously based

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Would be a much fancier moon than the two potatoes

      Could provide tidal heating for mars

      Shame

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >two potatoes
        Put em in a Slingshot and send them to Jupiter!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, if you have a method of moving such a huge load then go ahead.
      However, I don't really see the point.
      Mars has 10% the mass of Earth, and Ceres only has like 0.01% of the mass of Earth.
      Best case scenario, the impact restarts Mar's core and the conditions shift very slightly closer to those of Earth.
      In fact, I'm fairly certain that even if you took all the sub-earth celestial bodies in the solar system (excluding Venus) and smashed them all together you'd only get something with around 20% of Earth's mass.
      While I'm not sure how much mass you actually need to hold a substantial atmosphere, given that Venus is roughly 80% Earth's size and has a pretty robust one I say we use that as our benchmark.
      So yeah - unless you somehow cannibalize the larger rocky planets like Neptune and Uranus on a massive scale - we're a little short on materials.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and smashed them all together

        >crash ceres into mars
        Dangerously based

        >crash ceres into mars
        All these fantasies of crashing together. W
        hy no let them orbit around each other without photos and Deimos.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the larger rocky planets like Neptune and Uranus
        Anon...

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          IQfy in a nutshell

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    test

  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You are simply Dead Wrong™ with Johan Norberg. One day Elon Musk will colonize Mars! The road there is long but worth it. And even if we don't succeed, it's worth it that we've dreamed about it for 40-50 years. Think of all the research you can do for SpaceX revenue. The million who colonize Mars are the winners leaving the rest of humanity behind, or the losers. They say Mars is unsuitable because it has no magnetic field & the atmosphere is thick enough to carry dust storms but too thin to protect against meteor impacts. To protect ourselves from that, we have to live underground. It's not that dangerous, it's like living in a mall. Another thing Elon Musk will arrange with his research is boy pregnancies. Then everyone, even MIGAs, will finally get their "trad wife".

  56. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I say we round up all the people who think colonizing Mars is feasible and a good idea, give them all the resources they say they need, and send them off. The cost would be astronomical, but in the long run it would be worth it to just get rid of these mouth breathing worthless pieces of shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Essentially, you are threatening with what people want.
      And who will remain, telephone sanitizers?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the best part is:

      Essentially, you are threatening with what people want.
      And who will remain, telephone sanitizers?

      they'll round themselves up for you

  57. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, we know you're just mad that Mars didn't grow to be the same size as Earth. No, venting about it won't change anything.

  58. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do any pop-sci morons have a solution for Mars’ gravity problem? Permanently living in a place with only .38% gravity would be terrible for a persons health. It might even be impossible to reproduce on Mars since babies in the womb won’t develop properly.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You take medications and wear weights distributed across your joints. If you can trick your body into thinking you're a 120lb woman you're golden.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Centrifuges have been proposed for decades.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      About gestation is probably possible instead, the biggest doubts are more about children growing up correctly after birth.
      It's just doubts though, we have currently no real evidence about any of that.

      Centrifuges have been proposed for decades.

      An unrealistic solution doesn't improve with age.
      If you need centrifuges you remain in space.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Have there been experiments on gestation in mice on the ISS?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes
          the did not report any difference between 1g and 0g

          • 4 weeks ago
            New Barkon

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      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >An unrealistic solution doesn't improve with age.
        You fail to point out why this is unrealistic.
        >If you need centrifuges you remain in space.
        Here you just fail.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Permanently living in a place with only .38% gravity would be terrible for a persons health.

      only for earther shitters, their place is somewhere else. The planet where they get raped and extorted by israeli pedophiles, Klaus Schwabb young leaders and Biden's homosexuals.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1 hour 14.88 g sessions every day.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hell even a slight decrease or increase in gravity by a few percent up or down would have major long term health implications. Given that humans are only adjusted to live on Earth, I guess it does make sense where the rotating space habitat proponents come from.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pure speculation based on nothing whatsoever

      this is no different to the idea that steam trains go too fast and would damage uteruses, cause blindness and/or madness by rapid change of visual stimuli, if not straight up liquefy occupants by going over 100mph

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Permanently living in a place with only .38% gravity would be terrible for a persons health.
      Why exactly?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everything to toxic soil and airless dust storm

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        musculoskeletal degeneration

  59. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i talk about MARS in my BRAND NEW RELEASE of CRYONEWS made by IQfy tards FOR IQfy tards! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvvGHYK_2A4

  60. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People want to go to Mars because it's a good place to attempt terraforming research projects dumbass.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Terraforming is a syfy meme.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        One word. Fungus. Actually maybe three words. Genetically engineered fungus.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          One word: pressure. Not enough pressure.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Idk man, I'm just one guy. AI and a group of genius scientists using their brain cycles could figure something out given enough time.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There is no evidence that fungi or any other form of life exists on Mars. While some types of microbe, like the black mold fungus, might be able to survive on the Red Planet's surface for a substantial timeframe, it is not clear whether fungi are already alive, well, and thriving on Mars. A research paper uploaded to ResearchGate implied that Mars provides an environment in which fungi could thrive, but this does not mean that fungi are actually growing on Mars.
          Anon-kun…

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            NTA, and terraforming is a meme and a waste of time, but lichen have been shown to be capable of surviving in the vacuum of space, let alone in simulated marslike conditions.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fungus can't turn rock to air. Terraforming's a meme

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Carbonate rocks an in fact turn into air

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >terraforming research projects
      You know that's basically entirely doable by planetary systems modeling, right? The basic chemistries necessary don't require on-location experimental research, we can test them in any laboratory. The only part of terraforming 'research' that might necessitate on-location infrastructure is prospecting, and even then you can use probes.

      Besides, the actual best place for a test run is Venus - it's substantially out of thermal equilibrium already, providing an energetically favorable path towards modification to more livable temperatures (that's why solar shades alone would cause such a massive effect). The lack of hydrogen and magnetic field are the biggest problems, but they're both possible to remedy even in worst-case scenarios for local resource availability (i.e. assuming zero remaining mineral hydrates, including hydroxylated minerals).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can't dump all the CO2 from Venus, it has nowhere to go

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You don't dump it, you sequester it. The only thing you might actually need to dump is oxygen.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Re-converted into oxygen & ammonia, ship it to Mars

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >rubber or plastic
    Mars is still easy mode for those thanks to the CO2 atmosphere and huge water deposits. You will already be processing them to make methane and oxygen. Now try doing it on the Moon.

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mars was always my favourite planet as a kid. Frick you. The cold desert planet is cool.

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Better than Earth by virtue of having no horrid humans on it, but that's about it. Entire galaxy is honestly kind of worthless

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick huge rotating cylinders in space would unironically be more comfortable more hospitable and safer than living in Mars.(Better gravity, better radiation shielding and no meteors constantly smashing the colony from the nearby asteroid belt)

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How do you know there isn't oil on Mars?

  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mars should only be a resource planet, I would hate for humans having to suffer seeing orange dogshit all their lives, especially mars born human and the discrimination they'll face anyways for not being born on earth

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hey, at least got underground hydrogen tanker for fuel business

  67. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >No you can't just shit in the dead martian dust and grow potatoes
    This is true but it wasn't known yet when The Martian was made. The toxic perchlorate content of Mars' soil was discovered later

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >nobody ever talks about how much perchlorates want to get rid of those extra oxygen atoms all grabbing electrons off the chlorine
      >like, explosively so
      >they fricking love to decompose

  68. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ballin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_On3tU5ube4

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      EV company gonna get dunked

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