Gaining humility as a Stoic?

I am a practising stoic and I have two major problems? I envy others a lot, I try to reflect on my thoughts but they keep coming. Second is worse, I have developed pride because of stoicism, I think I am better than others for practising it and look down on others. What can be done?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Practice Epicureanism

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do what Hadrian did and discretely enlist a Gladiator BVLL to frick your wife and teach you humility.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This Black person doesn't even know the difference between Hadrian and Aurelius

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's something Epictetus said relating to envy

    >Is anyone preferred before you at an entertainment, or in a compliment, or in being admitted to a consultation? If these things are good, you ought to be glad that he has gotten them; and if they are evil, don't be grieved that you have not gotten them.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stoicism is a cuck philosophy. If you embrace the mindset of "this is just how the world is" you'll never have the drive to actually fix anything.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you'll never have the drive to actually fix anything.
      Stoicism is better in this regard, because having "drive" is fickle, and comes and goes. Stoicism would advocate for fixing things whether you have the drive or not.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stoicism isn't apathy you giga pleb

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is in a way
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatheia

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not disturbed != not care

          Atarachia is a better word to use which is greek for "unphased"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not quite true, there's an action component. Its just not a mindless reactive action that you normally associate with.

      It is in a way
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatheia

      Stoicism isn't apathy you giga pleb

      Stoics are probably shooting for the equanimity qualities of Buddhism. The common usage of apathy has ties to ignorance. "Just ignore it". While the stoics/buddhists are pushing for a wisened action of not letting the mind be disturbed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you'll never have the drive to actually fix anything.
      Everything is accomplished by actionless action. Dao reigns supreme.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You already know the problem, and you know you are part of it. That's a good start. The issue here is you failing to accept what simply is true which is very unstoic of you. The reason you don't do this is because you don't believe doing so is valuable enough. You're not convinced.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stoics are like Buddhism-lite of Europe.

    Stoic answer is accept the things that you cannot control (for now) and then examine it with clear level head when possible. That is to say, envy happens, hatred happens, sadness happens etc/etc, but you need to pay attention and always focus back and reflect on your actions. In your case, just understand how those thoughts come about, trace its source and then act on it. That is to say, find a way to mitigate the problem through your action. That doesn't mean cause harm to others or anything like that, it just means form a rational plan to deal with your problem so it doesnt become a problem anymore

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I am a practising stoic and I have two major problems? I envy others a lot, I try to reflect on my thoughts but they keep coming.
    It's like when Epictetus did his quote about cabbage.
    If someone buys a cabbage, don't be jealous of their cabbage. You still have your coins, you chose not to buy a cabbage of your own.
    If someone spends times schmoozing at parties and networking themselves to get a high position in life, don't be jealous of their position. You have your freetime, you chose not to spend your time going through the trouble of dealing with snobby pieces of shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But what if I am failure because of it? I don't have coins or time because I wasted it on mongolian basket weaving forum. Whereas others used their time to earn money and get better position in life. And now I envy them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You had some fun, and learnt some things (which led to feeling superior over the npc cattle).
        You can keep feeling jealous, or recognize your past decisions have already been made and already borne their consequences. You can either change what you do now, or you have no right to feel jealous of others when you continue to go your own way.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I pretend to be an asexual stoic for long enough will I eventually become one?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can meme your personality in mimicking the things you force on it. Look at weebs with anime profile pictures, after 1 year they're wearing knee-high socks and going full femboy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he fell for le stoicism meme lel

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why concern yourself with other people's goals. Stoicism is ultimately about rooting out headtrash, it's fine to feel a certain way about other people, this should help you find the source of your envy rather than let it guide your decisions.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is Stoicism individualistic or collectivist in nature?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More individualistic discipline. Disciplined mined. Disciplined action. It naturally not just benefits the individual but also the social network which depend on the individual. A collectivist society that ignores the will of the individuals fail. An individualist that ignores the ramifications to the social factors die out instantly.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was into Stoicism a lot in HS and college. Epictetus, and ofc Aurelius and meditations. Eventually you will discover OP that it is never satisfying, and the philosophy can only take you so far. I recommend it for a lot of guys you cant get themselves to believe in any religion. Even if you just read meditations, it can be a good book(if actually applied, and not larped) to get your life together and stop being a pussy.

    However, at 22 I discovered Christianity for the first time, and the Gospel is much better than anything you will ever learn in Stoicism. After reading the New Testament, and the rest of the Bible, I got really deep into church history, the lives of the saints, the church fathers, and eventually met with a priest at and after several months of meeting with him, going to Mass, I received confirmation into the Catholic Church. Despite all the chaos in Rome, I have never felt better than I do now, OP. I appreciate Stoicism cause it got me thinking about things, but Christ makes man's genius to be folly in comparison.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    stoicism is mostly just a cope. "yeah i don't believe in god. and all those rich guys having sex with all those women and living to be 90 years old and dying a peaceful death surrounded by loved ones and family. it turns out they're actually losing. because they were slaves to their passions!"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >all those rich guys having sex with all those women and living to be 90 years old and dying a peaceful death surrounded by loved ones
      Those kind of guys never have peaceful death surrounded by loved ones.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stop beeing neurotic and live life. Yes ofc you are envious yes ofc you have pride but the more you suppress them the more envious etc you will be like catholic priests raping boys/kids. I'm not saying to ape out, I'm saying stop beeing autistc and neurotic and accept the complexity of life and your emotions. It's not that straight forward. Even monks frick b***hes sometimes. You should too.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Internet Stoicism is a idiotic phenomenon. It's part of the broader trend to dumb down all philosophy to the level of self help, and is mainly used by losers who need stoicism to help them quit drinking or to recover from a breakup and other trivial melodramas. The red pill industrial complex has simplified the whole philosophy to being focused indifference, removing most of the actual content found in Stoic texts, and besides, if your natural response to events isn't simply to deal with them in a level headed way and you need to read Marcus Aurelius to figure it out, you are moronic. The whole premise that this philosophy of indifference is in accordance with nature is idiotic anyway.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >When a man has his proper station in life, he is not all agape for things beyond it. Man, what is it you want to have happen to you? As for myself, I am content if I exercise desire and aversion in accordance with nature, if I employ choice and refusal as my nature is, and similarly employ purpose and design and assent. Why, then, do you walk around in our presence as though you had swallowed a spit? "It has always been my wish that those who meet me should admire me and as they follow me should exclaim, 'O the great philosopher!'" Who are those people by whom you wish to be admired? Are they not these about whom you are in the habit of saying that they are mad? What then? Do you wish to be admired by the mad?

    >If you see a pretty wench, do you resist the sense-impression? If your neighbour receives an inheritance, do you not feel a twinge of envy? And is security of judgement now the only thing in which you fall short? Wretch, even while you are studying these very topics you tremble and are worried for fear someone despises you, and you ask whether anybody is saying anything about you. And if someone should come and say, "A discussion arising as to who was the best of the philosophers, someone who was there said that So-and-so was the only real philosopher," immediately your poor little one-inch soul shoots up a yard high.

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Epictetus,_the_Discourses_as_reported_by_Arrian,_the_Manual,_and_Fragments/Book_3/Chapter_2

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