Germans destroyed themselves twice in two world wars over the retarded urge to invade Russia, and kept blaming someone else for their failure.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Germany won the Eastern front in WWI

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not really, they would have starved to death if Lenin didnt dismember the tsarist army structure.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they didn't win because..... their enemy lost in a way I don't like (with reasons I made up that don't reflect the military situation in 1917/1918 in any way)
        You are completely moronic.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>they didn't win because
          Because they didn't win the war, moron. All their gains and treaties were nullified after the end of the war.
          >don't reflect the military situation in 1917/1918 in any way
          moron doesn't know that germans were unable to win against the russian army before the revolution...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >moron doesn't know that germans were unable to win against the russian army before the revolution...
            A dub is a dub. Soviets shouldn't have surrendered then.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >moron doesn't know that germans were unable to win against the russian army before the revolution...
            stab in the back but for russians

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I came back to find the expected goal-post moving. And what a specimen of goal-post moving.

            >Because they didn't win the war
            I said THE EASTERN FRONT not the entire war. Germany won the Eastern Front in the Great War. This is a fact.

            >moron doesn't know that germans were unable to win against the russian army before the revolution...
            >>they won in a way I don't accept therefore they didn't win (again with this shit)
            It was they were close to starvation and losing before, now it's just they didn't win early enough. Who cares how they won? Nicholas and all generals suddenly died of heart attacks, all munition factories were hit by meteors, aliens attacked Siberia. It doesn't matter, Germany won the Eastern Front, the cause for the win is irrelevant. How is that so hard to grasp?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I said THE EASTERN FRONT not the entire war
            And OP said two world wars, your half-victories mean nothing, homosexual.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            well OP does kind of implies its mainly thanks to Russia that the allies won ww1 and 2 which isn't the case at all.
            In ww1 Germany would've completely roflstomped Russia on its own.
            In ww2 it would've probably been more difficult but Germany would've won that war too.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You serious? Russia took part in WW1 voluntarily as they were the ones who moronicly decided to escalate a Balkan conflict into a world war by mobilizing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia took part in WW1 voluntarily
      Russia literaly was invaded by Germany, moron.
      >escalate a Balkan conflict into a world war by mobilizing
      No one declared war on Austria even after it invaded Serbia, and everyone still urged them for diplomatic solution. Mobilizing is normal reaction to agressive actions of your neighboor which was proven to be wise desition, considering that Germany invaded anyway, and german officials confirmed in their memoirs that it was their intention from the beggining.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia literaly was invaded by Germany, moron.
        Other way around. Russia mobilized two army groups into Germany first. The mobilizations actually took place two days before any official declarations had been made (that is, the border had been crossed).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mobilization is not a declaration of war, somehow kaiserboo morons can't comprehend that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russians mobilized with full knowledge that it would provoke a war with Germany.

            >Russia took part in WW1 voluntarily
            Russia literaly was invaded by Germany, moron.
            >escalate a Balkan conflict into a world war by mobilizing
            No one declared war on Austria even after it invaded Serbia, and everyone still urged them for diplomatic solution. Mobilizing is normal reaction to agressive actions of your neighboor which was proven to be wise desition, considering that Germany invaded anyway, and german officials confirmed in their memoirs that it was their intention from the beggining.

            Lie, both France and Russia pushed for war.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Russians mobilized with full knowledge that it would provoke a war with Germany.
            >Lie, both France and Russia pushed for war.
            So that's why Russia urged Germany to find peaceful solution in international court of arbitration? You are fricking moron, your excuses are idiotic. Your kind is wasting people's time over and over againt with your stupidity.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >muh arbitration
            Naive moron.
            Go read the reactions of Russian officials that were responsible for distributing the mobilization order. For all their talk about arbitration they did absolutely nothing to stop the war. They mobilized first even after the Germans asked them to not escalate. You are a moron with an obvious hate boner.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >For all their talk about arbitration they did absolutely nothing to stop the war.
            Maybe because Germany ignored any suggestion of peaceful resolution, moron? Why you are always ignore that, stupid frick? You dumbass like a broken record.
            >They mobilized first even after the Germans asked them to not escalate
            German ally already was waging war in Europe, stupid Black person.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What suggestion? The one where they would operate in a 4-2 format in favor on the Entente? France and Russia decided to go to war way before Germany did anything in the crisis as evidenced by the talks held between the French PM and Russian officials.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >France and Russia decided to go to war way before Germany did anything in the crisis
            What a fricking liar you are, damn.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Poincaré was not especially happy with how the dinner had gone. The heavy afternoon rain had virtually torn down the marquee on the aft deck where the guests were supposed to be sitting and the ship’s cook did not cover himself in glory – the soup course was late and ‘no one praised the dishes’, Poincaré later noted. But the president could afford to be satisfied with the overall impact of the visit. He had come to preach the gospel of firmness and his words had fallen on ready ears. Firmness in this context meant an intransigent opposition to any Austrian measure against Serbia. At no point do the sources suggest that Poincaré or his Russian interlocutors gave any thought whatsoever to what measures Austria-Hungary might legitimately be entitled to take in the aftermath of the assassinations.
            >There was no need for improvisations or new policy statements – Poincaré was simply holding fast to the course he had plotted since the summer of 1912. This may help explain why, in contrast to many of those around him, he remained so conspicuously calm throughout the visit. This was the Balkan inception scenario envisaged in so many Franco-Russian conversations. Provided the Russians, too, stayed firm, everything would unfold as the policy had foreseen. Poincaré called this a policy for peace, because he imagined that Germany and Austria might well back down in the face of such unflinching solidarity. But if all else failed, there were worse things than a war at the side of mighty Russia and, one hoped, the military, naval, commercial and industrial power of Great Britain.
            From The Sleepwalkers by Christopher Clark

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Where here is mentioned that France and Russia was planning to start a war against Germany, dumbass? The only thing here's mentioned is that France prepared for war if diplomacy fail.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >we'll make no concessions to Austria nor care about their worries, but we are doing diplomacy
            Might as well asked Germany to return Alsace-Lorraine and called it "diplomacy". You are unbelievably stupid.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Serbia made concessions, Austria declared war anyway. That is a fact, a thing that actually happened. Why do you think that everyone is a stupid as you are?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We are talking about French and Russian "diplomacy", try to keep up.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is nothing about French and Russia teaming up to declare war on Germany in your text, stupid Black person. You can't keep up even with your own text...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You obviously have no idea what the French planned pre-war and it's even mentioned in the passage as the Balkan theory.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You obviously have no idea what the French planned pre-war
            You really don't, dumb Black person, but still pretend you do

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not to worry, there's another passage from the same book that debunks this myth:
            >The claim often made in general narratives that this reply represented an almost complete capitulation to the Austrian demands is profoundly misleading. This was a document fashioned for Serbia’s friends, not for its enemy. It offered the Austrians amazingly little.42 Above all, it placed the onus on Vienna to drive ahead the process of opening up the investigation into the Serbian background of the conspiracy, without, on the other hand, conceding the kind of collaboration that would have enabled an effective pursuit of the relevant leads. In this sense it represented a continuation of the policy the Serbian authorities had followed since 28 June: flatly to deny any form of involvement and to abstain from any initiative that might be taken to indicate the acknowledgement of such involvement. Many of the replies on specific points opened up the prospect of long, querulous and in all likelihood ultimately pointless negotiations with the Austrians over what exactly constituted ‘facts and proofs’ of
            irredentist propaganda or conspiratorial activity by officers and officials. The appeal to ‘international
            law’, though effective as propaganda, was pure obfuscation, since there existed no international
            jurisprudence for cases of this kind and no international organs with the authority to resolve them in a legal and binding way. Yet the text was perfectly pitched to convey the tone of voice of reasonable statesmen in a condition of sincere puzzlement, struggling to make sense of outrageous and unacceptable demands. This was the measured voice of the political, constitutional Serbia disavowing any ties with its expansionist pan-Serbian twin in a manner deeply rooted in the history of Serbian external relations. It naturally sufficed to persuade Serbia’s friends that in the face of such a full capitulation, Vienna had no possible ground for taking action.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >since there existed no international jurisprudence for cases of this kind and no international organs with the authority to resolve them in a legal and binding way
            International Court of Arbitration, maybe your author should make a little research first? No wonder you have such a moronic knowledge about the subject with sources like that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What authority did the PCA have? Delusional. Ottomans should have just sued Serbia and Bulgaria and everything would be alright, right?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What authority did the PCA have?
            They authority to settle international disputes, which Germany, Austria and many other countries agreed to.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            While having no power to enforce its rulings and therefore lacking authority, impressive. Nobody cared what some random useless court's function was, not during the Annexation crisis, Agadir crisis, Italo-Ottoman war and both Balkan wars. Pretending like it was a relavant institution is either delusional or dishonest.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you homosexual just admitted that Germany ignored peaceful resolution, just because nobody forced it to comply with it. Finally, you moron could've save some time long ago

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The court had no authority, go next. It was ignored multiple times during its existence. Thanks for confirming your delusional state though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The court had no authority
            It's only have no authority if you ignore it, moron, which is what germans did, because they did not want a peaceful resolution. You really are brain damaged if you can't comprehend it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Everybody ignored it you dumb moron. You got listed multiple events where the court was outright ignored and bypassed. Serbia should have went to court to settle it's dispute with the Ottomans, it broke it and had no right to expect anything from the useless institution.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No one gave a frick about Ottomans, dumb moron, no one suggested to settle their conflict in a court. Here, there was a suggestion to settle the dispute in a court that Germany agreed to use. Germany ignored it, and declared war on everyone. How is your moronic brain don't click, what's wrong with you?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because Serbia outright skipped the court part and just declared the war on the Ottomans. Crying about the court when your only intention to use it when it suits you, pathetic.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >waging war
            No,not poor Serbia. They dindu nothin. Just forget how they financed terrorism in almost all the neighbouring states, waged war 2 times in the past 3 years, refused to fulfill the promises to Bulgaria, repeatedly harassed local populations even in Albania where they held no claims . Kys

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Serbia agreed on almost all the terms of Austrian ultimatum, Black person.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Should have agreed to all of them. The Black person nations shouldn't have been offered an ultimatum at all.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh maybe Austria should've frick off? Since their citizen was the assasin maybe they should've killed themself? A collective suicide of the moronic Austrian nation would've spared the world from century of suffering.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Austria should have ignored that the assassination was organized, funded and supplied from Belgrade and that all the assassins came into Bosnia from Belgrade
            Kys

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            1. Serbian officials warned Austria about posibility of terrorist attack
            2. Black Hand was not official serbian organisation
            3. Serbia agreed to give Austria those who according to Austria itself helped with the assassination
            You should have a nice day instead, spare the world from your idiocity.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            1. True.
            2. Yes, it only held major influence and many members of the government were involved in it.
            >The assassination team was helped by the Black Hand, a Serbian secret nationalist group; support came from Dragutin Dimitrijević, chief of the military intelligence section of the Serbian general staff, as well as from Major Vojislav Tankosić and Rade Malobabić, a Serbian intelligence agent.
            3. False, they protected Ciganović and even denied that he existed when Austrians asked for him.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >1. Serbian officials warned Austria about posibility of terrorist attack
            When Pasic warned Finance Minister Billinski he was alot more concerned with not implicating his government than he was with actually giving a clear warning of what was to come, as a result the wording was so vague that Billinski had no fricking clue what the Serbian Prime Minister actually meant.
            >2. Black Hand was not official serbian organisation
            But it was an organization that had infiltrated every level of the Serbian state and was allowed to operate freely.
            >3. Serbia agreed to give Austria those who according to Austria itself helped with the assassination
            They actually sent one of the two into hiding and told the Austrians that they did not know where he was, and more importantly, they did not allow the Austrians to further investigate the conspiracy and were not willing to carry one out themselves.

            >2. Yes, it only held major influence and many members of the government were involved in it.
            >But it was an organization that had infiltrated every level of the Serbian state and was allowed to operate freely.
            Except there was opposing organisation called White Hand that was actually represented the serbian government. How would you cope with that?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And what did it do to stop the activities of the Black Hand? Nothing. Could have arrested Apis, didn't, could have destroyed the Black Hand, but didn't. Either the White Hand was an useless organization with relatively little power to stop the Black Hand or it had no will to do it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They did arrested and executed Apis, dumbass.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            3 years later, wow impressive. Stupid frick.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Is it changing the fact that Black Hand was not official representative of serbian government? No, dumb moron, have a nice day.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you think official governments are monoliths that act in unison? You were literally proven that members of the official government supported the assassination.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't have to be an official governmental organization for the government to be complicit in its actions.

            >rival members to the official goverment do something
            >it justifice a declaration of war on the official government
            Your logic as moronic as you are.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's right, as long as you have rival factions in your government all the actions of the one side should be ignored and they can do as they please. Seek help immediately.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >homosexual ignores the fact that Austria harbored left-wing terrorists that killed a lot of people in Russia and no one was moronic enough to use it as excuse to start a war
            it is so tiresome

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >changing the topic

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Was Austria-Hungary aware of their activities without doing anything to stop them? Did they infiltrate the Austro-Hungarian state unabated? Were they armed and trained by Austro-Hungarian soldiers? Was their goal to incorporate large parts of Russia into Austria-Hungary?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Was Austria-Hungary aware of their activities without doing anything to stop them?
            Yeah
            >Were they armed and trained by Austro-Hungarian soldiers?
            No need
            >Was their goal to incorporate large parts of Russia into Austria-Hungary?
            Yeah, learn about ukrainian project.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            [source needed]

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Start with Stalin living in Vienna, then procced with Mykhailo Hrushevsky a creator of ukrainian identity. Lastly you can look into concentration camps Austrians used during WWI to genocide Ruthenian population.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Stalin went to Vienna and wrote a couple of articles under a pseudonym, so what?
            Austria-Hungary supported the Ukrainian identity so that the people of East Galicia wouldn't want to become a part of Russia, not so that people in Russian Ukraine would want to become a part of Austria-Hungary.
            The internment camps was not a genocide and it is also irrelevant.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Rival to the official government? Apis was a part of the official government, as the head of military intelligence, and so were many of his underlings. Pasic did perhaps not like his activities, but he did absolutely nothing to get rid of the man and his ilk. Plus their differences were only in methodology, they all had the same goal to destroy the Habsburg monarchy, there was hardly a single Serb who wasn't a rabid ultranationalist dog.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they all had the same goal to destroy the Habsburg monarchy
            Delusional moron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Literally the truth or are you going to pretend that creating Greater Serbia wasn't the wish of majority of the population.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You sure about that?
            >In the ministry of war in Belgrade, an official location if there ever was one, there hung, in front of the main reception hall, the image of a Serbian landscape, before which stood an armed allegorical female figure on whose shield were listed the ‘provinces still to be liberated’: Bosnia, Herzegovina, Voivodina, Dalmatia, and so on.

            >Austria annex slavic land
            >slavs want to live in slavic country and start fighting against Austria
            >slavic separatist kill an austrian noble as part of that fighting
            >that is excuse for Austria to annex a slavic country
            Maybe you moron don't need a territory if you can't control it? And how is those slavic provinces threatened Habsburg monarchy, you cretin didn't answer.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Croats and Bosniaks showed their feelings towards their assassin "liberators" when they almost beat Princip to death. It's now fricking obvious that you support the idea of Greater Serbia and that's your whole basis for this argument.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Princip was just one rotten egg who was radicalized, armed, and trained by a terrorist organization based in Serbia, the Bosnian people were the ones who tried to lynch him.

            >one rotten egg
            One and all the other members of Young Bosnia, moron.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A dozen rotten eggs isn't what I would call a liberation movement.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So Austria declare war on sovereign state because of dozen of its own rotten eggs that according to you didn't even threaten Austrian integrity. But even earlier according to you they threatened to destroyed Austrian monarchy itself. So which is it moron?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Austria-Hungary wanted to declare war on Serbia because that state was responsible for turning those eggs rotten and for what those rotten eggs did, and because that state was dead set on destroying the monarchy sooner or later.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Princip was just one rotten egg who was radicalized, armed, and trained by a terrorist organization based in Serbia, the Bosnian people were the ones who tried to lynch him.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You sure about that?
            >In the ministry of war in Belgrade, an official location if there ever was one, there hung, in front of the main reception hall, the image of a Serbian landscape, before which stood an armed allegorical female figure on whose shield were listed the ‘provinces still to be liberated’: Bosnia, Herzegovina, Voivodina, Dalmatia, and so on.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't have to be an official governmental organization for the government to be complicit in its actions.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >1. Serbian officials warned Austria about posibility of terrorist attack
            When Pasic warned Finance Minister Billinski he was alot more concerned with not implicating his government than he was with actually giving a clear warning of what was to come, as a result the wording was so vague that Billinski had no fricking clue what the Serbian Prime Minister actually meant.
            >2. Black Hand was not official serbian organisation
            But it was an organization that had infiltrated every level of the Serbian state and was allowed to operate freely.
            >3. Serbia agreed to give Austria those who according to Austria itself helped with the assassination
            They actually sent one of the two into hiding and told the Austrians that they did not know where he was, and more importantly, they did not allow the Austrians to further investigate the conspiracy and were not willing to carry one out themselves.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they did not allow the Austrians to further investigate the conspiracy and were not willing to carry one out themselves.
            Austria had all the assassins in custody, they could've investigate all they want. And of course they didn't have right to do shit within Serbia.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Serbia agreed to almost nothing, each "yes" they gave was smudged over with so much obfuscation that it was practically meaningless.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You said "Russia literaly was invaded by Germany, moron" - in contravention of the facts. You just moved the goalposts to declaration because you called someone else a moron even though you were the real moron all along.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In you pea-brain declaration of war for some reason is not considered as hostile action and encroachment on other countries sovereignty. That is why you and only you are moronic, because you're dumb.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            When a great power mobilizes without provocation, it is quite clear that they have aggressive intentions. And in these days the mobilization schedule was seen as being of crucial strategic importance, therefore the Germans could not sit idly by while the Russians amass their entire army to border.

            >The opposite actually, the Eastern Front started with a Russian invasion of East Prussia.
            Who declared war on whom, moron?
            >but no aggressive actions were taken against Russia
            Aggressive actions were taken against russian ally, against the international law that Germany and Austria agreed to obey.
            >Source or didn't happen.
            Ursachen and Ausbruch des Weltkrieges by Gottlieb von Jagow

            >Who declared war on whom, moron?
            See above.
            >Aggressive actions were taken against russian ally, against the international law that Germany and Austria agreed to obey.
            Russia had no alliance commitments with Serbia whatsoever, this was purely because of pan-Slavic autism, and there was no international law at the time that prevented Austria-Hungary from seeking retribution.
            >Ursachen and Ausbruch des Weltkrieges by Gottlieb von Jagow
            Provide a link or atleast a quote.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >See above.
            Germany declared war on Russia, moron.
            >and there was no international law at the time that prevented Austria-Hungary from seeking retribution.
            Hague Conventions of 1899 , (I): Convention for the Pacific Settlement of International Disputes
            >Provide a link or atleast a quote.
            >In two or three years Russia would have completed her armaments. The military superiority of our enemies would then be so great that he did not know how we could overcome them. Today we would still be a match for them. In his opinion there was no alternative to making preventive war in order to defeat the enemy while we still had a chance of victory. The Chief of the General Staff therefore proposed that I should conduct a policy with the aim of provoking a war in the near future.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Germany declared war on Russia, moron.
            And they declared war because Russia was amassing their troops to the German border for no good reason.
            >In his opinion
            >The Chief of the General Staff therefore proposed
            This is just about what Moltke wanted, not about what Jagow did.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And they declared war because
            it was their military plan, dumbass.
            >This is just about what Moltke wanted, not about what Jagow did.
            Cope

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it was their military plan, dumbass.
            It was their military plan to start the war on their terms, and not on Russias terms, yes.
            >Correctly pointing out that the opinions of a general is not the same thing as government policy is "cope"
            Are you moronic?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It was their military plan to start the war on their terms, and not on Russias terms, yes.
            And why Russia should've allowed Germany to start a war on its terms?
            >opinions of a general is not the same thing as government policy
            How convenient that Germany started provoking a war with Russia the same year "general expressed his opinion". It's funny that you dumbass think that everyone is moronic as you are, no self-awareness whatsoever.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And why Russia should've allowed Germany to start a war on its terms?
            What else were they going to do? They couldn't mobilize any faster.
            >How convenient that Germany started provoking a war with Russia the same year "general expressed his opinion".
            Germany did not provoke a war with Russia and Moltke had been expressing such opinions for years.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Germany did not provoke a war
            Yeah, since they were unable to bait Russia into starting the war, they just decided to declare it by themself, with a flimsy excuse that you moron desperately trying to parrot a hundred years later.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The Tsar ended the meeting with a final decision: ‘You are right, there is nothing else left than to prepare ourselves for an attack. Transmit to the chief of the general staff my orders of mobilization.’
            They knew that mobilization meant war.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia literaly was invaded by Germany, moron.
        The opposite actually, the Eastern Front started with a Russian invasion of East Prussia.
        >Mobilizing is normal reaction to agressive actions of your neighboor
        Sure, but no aggressive actions were taken against Russia until Russia mobilized.
        >german officials confirmed in their memoirs that it was their intention from the beggining
        Source or didn't happen.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The opposite actually, the Eastern Front started with a Russian invasion of East Prussia.
          Who declared war on whom, moron?
          >but no aggressive actions were taken against Russia
          Aggressive actions were taken against russian ally, against the international law that Germany and Austria agreed to obey.
          >Source or didn't happen.
          Ursachen and Ausbruch des Weltkrieges by Gottlieb von Jagow

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Nicholas II
    >Based

    >Kaiser Wilhelm II
    >Based

    >Lenin
    >Based

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TsarBol gang?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        KaiTsarBol gang. 🙂

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        edgy homosexual gang
        he will post on /lgbt/ in 2 years

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wilhelm and Nicholas
      Based monarchs
      >Nicholas and Lenin
      Based Russians
      >Wilhelm and Lenin
      Based Central Powers
      >all three
      ????????

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TsarBol gang?

      vgh...monarchical bolshevism...what could've been...

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >destroyed themselves
    But they tried to save Europa and the white race from extinction. Over 80 years later they were right.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Habsburgs
    >Based

    >Greater Serbia
    >Based

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Young Bosnia
    >Based

    >Vienna
    >Ultra Based

    >Hrushevsky
    >A little cringe I have to admit

    >Austria
    >Based

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