God lied, the serpent told the truth. >but he said they wouldnt die but they actually became mortal!

God lied, the serpent told the truth.
>but he said they wouldn’t die but they actually became mortal!
If that’s the case then there wouldn’t be a Tree of Life that could make them immortal. So they were already mortal in the first place. God could have just been up front with them and said that if they ate the fruit, they would be kicked out of the garden and would have to work and shit.

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  1. 7 days ago
    Woke Anon

    God lied in that he told them that they would die from eating it. Not that they would become mortal.
    So yes, the serpent was telling the truth. The serpent is the hero.

  2. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Don't eat from this fruit or you will die.
    >*eats from the fruit*
    >*dies*
    Such a liar...

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Don't eat from this fruit or you will die.
      >*eats from the fruit*
      >*dies 900 years later*

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Where's the lie?

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          > for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
          >actually dies 900 years later

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, their fate was sealed once they ate from it.

            You could also see God giving them more time to live as an act of mercy.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            yeah no god lied and the serpent told the truth. no gymnastics needed

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/XoueU9P.jpeg

            yeah no god lied and the serpent told the truth. no gymnastics needed

            Not to mention the fact that they would have never died if they had eaten the fruit of the tree of life. So God’s message was a lie at worst, and incomplete at best. He should have said:
            >if you eat the fruit, you will become mortal, and die someday, unless you eat of the tree of life, which I will actually remove, because I don’t want you to be both immortal and knowledgeable of good and evil
            Not only should we not blame Eve for believing the serpent because he told the truth, but even if he wasn’t telling the truth, she had no way of knowing this, especially since she doesn’t know good and evil before eating the fruit. The story is riddled with flaws.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            so much for infinitely good god

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >and incomplete at best.
            Where do you get that God needed to tell them any of that?

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Because if God did tell them that then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

            >she had no way of knowing this
            She did, God told her so.

            And the serpent said otherwise. How did they know that God was the good guy, exactly? Or that God never lies?

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Because if God did tell them that then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
            How do you know that? Wouldn't the serpent have just come up with a more clever lie?

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            like what

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >How did they know that God was the good guy, exactly?
            Because He created the heavenly garden that they were living in.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >she had no way of knowing this
            She did, God told her so.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            God apparently doesn't know, a priori, how women think/work.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >God told her so
            But she didn't know good and evil. The words didn't mean anything until she "knew them" through experienced them (Jesus christ).

            if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, their fate was sealed once they ate from it.

            You could also see God giving them more time to live as an act of mercy.

            For example, God says to Moses that he will never get to see the promised land due to his transgressions in the wilderness, but when he's about to die God leads him up to a mount from which he can see the promised land, as mercy.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      They didn't die from eating the fruit but because of old age.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Which would've never happened if they hadn't eaten from the fruit.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Yes actually, because they have never been immortal in the first place. God punishes them to prevent them from eating from the tree of life and become like gods.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >God punishes them
            If I tell a child not to touch a hot stove. Is it a punishment? No. I tell them not to do it, and they are saved from harm by their faith. If they want to "KNOW" they can frick around and find out. But Jesus already touched the stove, and paid the price for them. If they just believe, and trust in the LORD, they can avoid getting burned.

            In the beginning was the Word.
            The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >create a child ex nihilo suspended over an infinitely hot stove where he'll burn for eternity if he falls in
            >you already know exactly what choices he will make and what his beliefs will be so you know whether he'll fall in or not before you create him
            >do it anyway
            >for good measure, structure all of reality in such a way that he inescapably inclines towards actions that will make him fall into the stove because some guy 7000 years ago ate a fruit and that's his fault for some reason

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            There are two angels.
            One is free will.
            One is fate.
            Between them is a flaming sword.

            If you want to see an empty tomb, and start a new testimony, just move the immovable stone.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Stupid and false analogy.

            >Gods

            There was a group of men in a war, and they came up to a mine field. Our Anon said to them, "who here wants to be king? Feel free to lead the way". There was a man there full of pride who wanted to be a God. He stepped forward and exploded.
            "JESUS CHRIST!" Exlaimed the soldiers, as blood and flesh splattered in their faces.
            Our Anon said, "Your way has been made straight by the king" and the soldiers followed their LORD, single file, through the field of mines.

            This is another stupid post trying to be an analogy.

            You christcucks are dishonest just like your god.
            This verse exposes all your lies.
            >And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
            It's clear here that God opposes man becoming immortal, meaning that they died because of their mortality, not because they ate from the tree of knowledge. Their mortality could have been cured by the tree of life, which God didn't allow because he is an evil israelite who wants humans to be goy cattle like christcucks.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Men are flawed. That is why we must die. If we did not die, our flaws would never be corrected.

            Elohim presides in the great assembly;
            he renders judgment among Elohim

            How long will you defend the unjust
            and show partiality to the wicked?
            Defend the weak and the fatherless;
            uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
            Rescue the weak and the needy;
            deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

            They know nothing, they understand nothing.
            They walk about in darkness;
            The foundations of all knowledge is unstable.

            Alone, I said, "(You)are Elohim;
            (you) are all sons of the Most High."
            But (you) will die like mere mortals;
            (you) will fall like every other ruler.

            Rise up, Elohim, judge the earth,
            for it is (you) that shall inherite the nations. Not me.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Gods

            There was a group of men in a war, and they came up to a mine field. Our Anon said to them, "who here wants to be king? Feel free to lead the way". There was a man there full of pride who wanted to be a God. He stepped forward and exploded.
            "JESUS CHRIST!" Exlaimed the soldiers, as blood and flesh splattered in their faces.
            Our Anon said, "Your way has been made straight by the king" and the soldiers followed their LORD, single file, through the field of mines.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        They slowly began dying from the disease of "aging" after they ate the fruit.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >after they ate the fruit
          After eating the sacrament to become part of the body of Christ you are said to become dead in the flesh and alive or reborn into the spirit. Which is the way that converts were brought into the church that are not born into original sin. That is because all such ones who are of the tree are of the spirit and not of the earth, but of God. The flesh being the vessel for the Holy Spirit for whose who constitute the body of Christ, are of the fall, are of God, are God's people, etc.

          You can find expressions of the symbolic language regarding fruit in the Norse goddess Iðunn who guards the golden apples which give eternal life for to those who will fight the final battle at the end of time. You can also find expressions about the death described and the prohibition against procreation with them if you look into the meaning of the Mithraic symbolism.

  3. 7 days ago
    Anonymous
    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >enoch
      moronic israeli fanfiction

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        dead sea scrolls authenticated the veracity of Enoch which had been preserved by the Ethiopian church the whole time anyway

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          so? it's still a fanfic book written much later than genesis

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >which had been preserved by the Ethiopian church the whole time anyway
          lol no.

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    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      The "Fake" version is funnier.

  4. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >God gave [a command] to Adam, "From every [tree] you may eat, [but] from the tree which is in the midst of Paradise do not eat, for on the day that you eat from it you will surely die." But the serpent was wiser than all the animals that were in Paradise, and he persuaded Eve, saying, "On the day when you eat from the tree which is in the midst of Paradise, the eyes of your mind will be opened." And Eve obeyed . . . she ate; she also gave to her husband
    >"Behold, Adam has become like one of us, knowing evil and good." Then he said, "Let us cast him out of Paradise, lest he take from the tree of life, and live forever." But of what sort is this God? First [he] envied Adam that he should eat from the tree of knowledge. . . . Surely he has shown himself to be a malicious envier.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      We should note that there is no indication that the serpent is evil. It is simply described as the cleverest, or the wisest. It is only through our religious lens that we assume that God is good and the serpent is evil. But a plain reading of the text without such biases indicates otherwise.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Adam has become like one of us
      >one of us
      who's "us"?

  5. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >obey god
    >Die young
    >Disobey god
    >Live 900 years
    Lawl

  6. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    On the scale of an immortal being dying in a hour, day, year, decade, century, or millennia are the save thing.

  7. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    "No good tree bears bad fruit" + "every Christian larper ever is evil"= Gnosticism

    By Jesus own admission, he is evil, as evil people flock to and parrot him.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Nobe of the Gnostics ever thought Jesus was evil lol.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Cainites

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