gradual drop of support of computer tech

they are ending the support for legacy tihngs

1993: CGA screens nowhere to be found
1994: MFM hard drives are practically being phased out and you need to use IDE (parallel ATA), altough OSes do not concern themselves with the hard drive tech, motherboards do..
also, EGA screens are disappearing and you need to use VGA

1995: 320x240 resolution no longer supported in Windows 95! it was support in Windows 3.11, now you nede 640x480 altough it is still supported in 16 colors and 256 color mode is not forced

1998: 256 colors are forced! 16 colors no longer supported, but at least you can still stick with 640x480 resolution

2001: Windows XP does not support 640x480! You have to use 800x600, and 256 colors
ISA graphic cards not supported

1993 - 2003: you can use Sound Blaster 16 ISA as a soundcard, it is fully supported in MSDOS, Win3.1, WinNT4, Win2000 (pre SP4), WinXP (pre SP2) but after SP2 it stops working in XP and there never was functional Vista or Win7 driver (you can put SB16 in a Win7 computer by this simple trick: use rare Pentium 4 with one ISA slot, install Windows7, install SB16 onto ISA, it will not work in windows because its unsupported but it will work on the motherboard from the year 2004, this can be proven by swapping a hard drive into a MSDOS hard drive and running an MSDOS game with sound coming out from SB16)

2007: PATA support dropped, you need SATA hard drives, SOME motherboards have PATA chip that can connect PATA DVD ROM but hard drives just will not work, especially if you try to install OS innit

2009: PS2 support dropped for mouses you need to use USB mouse, also you cannot even use serial mouse because they arent supported either
(for WinXP you can use serial mouse, this support will never be removed)

2012: PS2 keyboard support mostly dropped, you need USB keyboaards

2016: 800x600 resolution no longer supported! 256 colors no longer supported! You need to use 1024x768 or bigger and you need to use 65k colors

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    forget about that. debian ending support for x86, which means majority of old machines people re use as servers is under attack by israelite updooters

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      when does this happen and why?
      seems weird to end support for entire x86

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They're ending support for 32 bit x86. x64 is still supported. There aren't many 32bit CPUs remaining and they'll run fine on older versions of Debian.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Gentoo bros, we can't stop winning!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what is current minimum to run gentoo server on x86?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Gentoo will run on a 486

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        openbsd, alpine, gentoo, guix, freebsd, netbsd, hyperbola...

        that's what i was afraid of. that i will have to more to gentoo after all

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >which means majority of old machines people re use as servers
      consumer amd64 CPUs have been around for 20 years. 32-bit x86 is definitely not the "majority"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Intel dropped x86 about 3 years later when AMD had shown the AMD64 tech
        So, I think there was Intel chips made in non-64 compatible style at least during 2003-2006
        therefore a 18 year old Intel CPU may not have 64bits but 20 year old AMD definitely will be 64bit because AMD put x64 into even low specced chips (Sempron was low spec, Athlon was high spec, Opteron was server)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        show nose

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      openbsd, alpine, gentoo, guix, freebsd, netbsd, hyperbola...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What are you using a 32-bit cpu for that requires networking and regular OS updates?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're ending support for 32 bit x86. x64 is still supported. There aren't many 32bit CPUs remaining and they'll run fine on older versions of Debian.

      when does this happen and why?
      seems weird to end support for entire x86

      try not being poor

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I mean of course they're ending support for legacy things. It requires time and money, and regardless of whether the people making the software are for profit like MS or volunteer organizations like Debian, they have limited resources.
    But you can still use legacy software, it will just be more difficult, you have to support it yourself.
    An example: The Blood Transfusion Institute of Serbia (founded in 1944) still uses a legacy DOS program for managing blood donor data (I know because I work with them).
    When support ends for legacy hardware, the software developed for it will still work. So you are "stuck" with using the hardware for which the software you are using is developed. If you prefer to use newer software, you should (in some cases must) upgrade your hardware as well. This is logical, as software and hardware go together in a way.
    So you just manage your hardware; the legacy software is already maximally stable on it.
    >Security issues
    Yeah that's on you as well, but firewalls and isolation are a thing, anyone can figure it out.

    What is truly crappy is Microsoft ending support for plenty of relatively modern hardware. I understand why they're doing it, they want to mimic Apple in a way; Apple obviously makes their own hardware and software, so it's easier for them to integrate the two. As for Microsoft, they want to tighten the regulation on hardware, so it's easier for them to maintain it. There are of course other reasons, but this is one of the foundational ones.

    The two computers I have, from 2013 and 2016, will not get any support from MS once Windows 10 drops support (unsupported CPUs). The one from 2016 uses linux anyway, but I plan on using LTSC windows on the 2013 one. These should definitely last me up until 2030 at least, as they're fine pieces of hardware, for my use cases.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they're fine pieces of hardware, for my use cases.

      is there enough RAM in a computer from 2013

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's a Thinkpad w540, originally came with 8gb of ram, after a few years i upgraded it to 16. It supports a maximum of 32 gb, 8gb in each slot, but I don't have a need for more than 16 right now.

        The 2016 machine is the weak one, actually. An acer laptop with soldered in 4gb of ram with no option to upgrade. I did, of course, replace the hdd with an ssd and it runs great for what it is. I even managed to play assassin's creed 2 on it, albeit on the lowest possible settings, but it was playable and definitely enjoyable to play. I got this laptop for free so I can't really complain about it. In any case I use it for some light browsing and document work, and I also offer it to my father when he comes to visit. He's an old guy, 66 years, so his requirement is a machine which can access the internet, pretty simple.

        The thinkpad is obviously my main machine. I use it for programming work, graphics programming and os programming, and I also play some old video games on it.

        Since we're talking gradual drop of support, I actually ran windows 8.1 enterprise on the thinkpad until the end of 2023, I installed enterprise on maybe the third of January, iirc. Support was dropped for some software on Windows 8.1, steam among others. I just play stuff like Stronghold Crusader and Medieval 2 Total War on it anyway.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Windows XP does not support 640x480
    Not true, they just removed it from the resolution slider. You can still select it via list all modes, in advanced settings.
    > PS2 support
    Plenty of motherboards still support ps2

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Plenty of motherboards still support ps2

      itsnot "plenty" you need to look hard for that, especially if it aint full ATX

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I look at my motherboard and then notice its short. Seems lie you might be right.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    homie thinks updates are required.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >2012: PS2 keyboard support mostly dropped, you need USB keyboaards
    Every motherboard I've bought past 2012 had a ps/2 port and I am using a ps/2 keyboard now on a B450 motherboard which is still modern.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Another day, another thread of 30-somethings loosing their mind that time is moving on.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I am 25 actually but when I was a kid I was given big brothers computer from 1992 and told to "figure it out"

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Most of these are fricking false. The FRICK are you smoking there? Typed this post with my Mitsumi PS/2 keyboard bought in 1999. My mouse is a USB one but also supports PS/2 through passive adapter.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you care about these things why don't you maintain support for them in modern software yourself? Are you willing to pay someone maintain them for you?

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