Haplogroup J's dominance in the ME

When did this shift occur exactly to displace the Natufian paternal lineages? Which ancient Fertile Crescent empires would have been led by primarily E carriers?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Chud Anon

    Schizo thread

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Haplogroup threads get deleted, because schizos. Rebrand to lineage threads.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Egyptian and Akkadian

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The same reason there are many Black folk in the southern US, they were imported and used as farming equipment, and slowly adopted the culture of their masters.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Fertile Crescent empires
      Every single one of them. J was always a low status haplogroup.

      And what was the haplogroup of the masters, homosexual? It wasn't R.
      Also, J1 and J2 are significantly different.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        E-M123 + E-M81 and their cousin E-M78.

        >Middle East - (Agranat-Tamir et al. 2021)
        The two Megiddo individuals with the next lowest Neolithic Levant component (I10769 and I10770, brothers) were found near the monumental tomb that was likely related to the palace at Megiddo, raising the possibility that they might be associated with the ruling caste.

        10769 E-M123
        10770 E-M123

        >Andalus - (Olalde et al. 2019)
        In the same stratigraphic level, a trapezoidal house with internal divisions was documented. This house had a kitchen area and a space with lime floor with abundant ceramics for presenting food dated to the 10th and 11th centuries CE, such as “ataifores” with green and manganese epigraphy (al-mulk) and fragments of kitchen ceramics. We analyzed one individual from this site:
        I7500: E-M81

        The ceramics decorated with the green and manganese technique that appeared in the Alcázar of Medina Azahara are associated with the elite of the caliphate...
        https://www-museosdeandalucia-es.translate.goog/web/conjuntoarqueologicomadinatalzahra/actualidad/-/asset_publisher/SxfJV5dJvqKr/content/ataifor-de-jerez?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          E-M81 is the predominant lineage among Berbers you moron. They were the primary carriers of it in Al Andalus not Arabs.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            WE

            >berberz wuz da real E-M81
            WE

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >One result
            https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-m81/

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          WE

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Possibly Akkadian types.

        G2a ie the original Basal Eurasians and the Anatolian Neolithic Farmers the creators of Gobekli Tepe who spread agriculture and citybuilding technology to the MENA before being gene wiped by J's and R1b's later.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          What about T?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            T is the only other candidate because it is in all the relevant areas like Southern Mesopotamia but the reason I don't think it was the power lineage is because of their origin in the Red Sea area and tether to goat herding. If we take Sumerian accounts for instance, they described themselves as farmers who were at odds with goat herders who were likely T or J.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            T seems to be one of the most mysterious haplogroups. They clearly came from Arabian Peninsula but today are most common among Somalis. So who they were? Ancient Cushites?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            T was common among Varna mobility, and in Peqi'in cave they found a bunch of ancient blue eye samples with the paternal haplogroup T-CTS2214. These samples dated to ~6500 years ago and their autosomal composition was this:

            >57% of its ancestry from groups related to those of the local Levant Neolithic, ~26% from groups related to those of the Anatolian Neolithic, and ~17% from groups related to those of the Iran Chalcolithic.

            Source : "Ancient DNA from Chalcolithic Israel reveals the role of population mixture in cultural transformation." It's a Nature article.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I thought T1a originated in Zagros range? Also, check this:
            [...]

            Sounds like it was some early Levant farmer group and Sumerians could carry it

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, it was either the top caste of ANF or Zagros farmer.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I thought T1a originated in Zagros range? Also, check this:

            T was common among Varna mobility, and in Peqi'in cave they found a bunch of ancient blue eye samples with the paternal haplogroup T-CTS2214. These samples dated to ~6500 years ago and their autosomal composition was this:

            >57% of its ancestry from groups related to those of the local Levant Neolithic, ~26% from groups related to those of the Anatolian Neolithic, and ~17% from groups related to those of the Iran Chalcolithic.

            Source : "Ancient DNA from Chalcolithic Israel reveals the role of population mixture in cultural transformation." It's a Nature article.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Fertile Crescent empires
    Every single one of them. J was always a low status haplogroup.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Khabib looking mfers invaded during the copper-bronze age and basically bred natufian quadroons en masse.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It came with the Kura-Araxes migrations out of the Armenian highlands in the 3rd and 2nd millennia BC. They were probably Hurrians.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Proto-Semites were E1b and T1a. J1/2 didn't exist until the bronze age Levant. The old Megiddo and Hazor dynasties were E-M123 descended. My theory is that E1b decreased in numbers because of the bronze age collapse, when J1/2 Philistines started to settle in Canaan.

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