Hare - the hacker's language

Hare - the hacker's language

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Name 1 hack written in Hare

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      drew segfault

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's the hack who wrote Hare
        heyoo

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      powerctl for adding power state management for non-privileged users to linux
      https://drewdevault.com/2022/08/28/powerctl-a-hare-case-study.html

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that is NOT systems programming. systems programming means importing and exporting symbols to the rest of the system. thats applications programming

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          in unix they're the same

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            there have been 100,000,000 linux+ admin applications and no one will stop writing them. each one off admin application has its own flags and should really come with whiptail gui at least. maybe instead of replacing dhcpcd poettering could of come up with systemd-suspendd. drews requires the build system for a memelang and someone could do everyone a solid by rewriting it in c. its sad that bash is so complicated and tricky because if it wasnt that would belong in bash

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hare me up, before you go go

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nobody cares about your "hacking" rust ripoff

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So why has drew nominated himself as the morality police?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      almost any hack you can code is innocent compared to stallman's twisted feelings for children. thanks for proving my theory that the free pedophile organization is behind the hare spam threads.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so what's new with everybody's favorite language that is worse than C in every way?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nothing? oh okay, so why make the thread?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You wasted your youth on Wayland, Drew.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wayland is the future though

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, it will always be the future, forever.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wayland is aneutronic fusion, a meme made out of xml dcuments and wontfix

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Buy an ad, Drew.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fireship doesn't have an explanation video.
    Explain the power to a moron like me.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the power is in its simplicity, which means low tech debt
      an enterprise picking up hare would for example never have to worry about the language taking a direction they're not comfortable with because if push comes to shove they could just continue maintaining it themselves using minimal resources (a single employee should be more than enough) and they also wouldn't have to worry about recruitment because it doesn't take a lot to become proficient in hare and there's a big focus in its design on making it result in very readable programs

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the power is in its simplicity, which means low tech debt
        And in the process forcing developers to implement the whole world themselves because Hare itself doesn't give them anything. So in the end they'll maintain much more code than they would otherwise with a more complete and feature-rich language.

        >they could just continue maintaining it themselves
        Enterprise companies don't want to fork and maintain programming languages, they want a complete and usable language handed to them on a silver platter that already has everything they'd need. You'd know this if you've ever worked on an enterprise codebase before. Zero chance they'll ever spend any money maintaining their own fork of Hare.

        >a single employee should be more than enough
        Yeah sure, if they overwork that employee to death only to get some truly awful abomination of a toolchain in the end. That's exactly what an enterprise company wants, just trust me bro.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it doesn't take a lot to become proficient in hare
          You'd be right it doesn't, but that's not the problem. The actual problem in an enterprise codebase is having enough domain knowledge and understanding what the frick is going on with all the spaghetti code. This can be made easier for your soon to be employees by having them learn a popular language, their standard library and also some commonly used open source libraries, in their own free time before being hired. Hare makes this much worse by providing frick all to work with and no package manager, essentially guaranteeing that your employee will have to learn everything on the job with only your ad-hoc spaghetti code and a compiler maintained by another overworked employee.

          >big focus in its design on making it result in very readable programs
          What design, Drew? You mean the language that still doesn't have generics? The one that's also not memory safe in 2024? The one that is so bare bones that even C would make a better enterprise language in comparison?

          Make your shitlang useful first before shilling it on IQfy every single day.

          i think the way the language positions itself makes it clear that it encourages compartmentalization and deliberate architectural design so you _don't_ end up with "spaghetti" code that's hard to navigate
          no generics just means it's "pay as you go", if you are solving a very complex problem, you may end up with more code than in more "feature-rich" languages but in return most stuff you write is going to be lean and mean and you get a strong guarantee that almost all hare code you encounter just kinda works in the same basic b***h reliable way
          i see your point but i kind of think it's just a matter of taste maybe
          >if they overwork that employee to death
          i meant maintain in an open source sense
          the actual workload would depend on what you want to do of course but maybe we can agree that it should pose a manageable challenge, the current tooling and dependencies are quite concise after all

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            HRT is literally malware for the human body

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >encourages compartmentalization
            With no package manager, really?

            >so you _don't_ end up with "spaghetti" code that's hard to navigate
            You don't have any experience with enterprise code, right? You wouldn't be saying that if you did, because I'll guarantee you that bad developers WILL write bad enterprise code that is hard to navigate, the language design does not matter in this regard.

            It quite literally does not matter how Drew designs his shitlang, people will write awful code with it. The only thing you can do to mitigate this is to give them more library code so that they *hopefully* use it instead of attempting to write their own. Proper enterprise languages realized this, which is why most of them are kitchen sink languages.

            >no generics just means it's "pay as you go"
            There is no justification for the lack of generics today, don't even try it. Golang tried to design theirs without them and now look at it, they were forced to shoehorn generics into the language later. Try writing a hash map library in Hare that needs to work with other people's code and types, see how it goes without generics.

            If you say that your code doesn't need to work with other people's code or types, you're just delusional and have no idea how production-level code works.

            >i meant maintain in an open source sense
            Yeah right, an enterprise company maintaining forks of Hare AND in an open source manner? No money and no profit? An enterprise company? I want whatever you haregays are smoking, right now.

            Look at the COBOL ecosystem if you'd like to see what happens when companies maintain their own dialects of a programming language. It's not pretty, and it's definitely not open source.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >With no package manager, really?
            the idea is to let the distros handle it
            >people will write awful code with it
            then that code will need to be refactored
            >hash map library
            like i said, i believe whether there needs to be one is more of a philosophical question
            >an enterprise company
            i meant enterprise more as a more general form of company/association/venture
            also enterprise companies do open source now, it's 2024, remember?
            >Look at the COBOL ecosystem
            a change in maintainership wouldn't necessarily have to lead to a (significant) fracturing of the ecosystem

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          . The hare stdlib is pretty nice

          . Because they are not used to simple, powerful languages. But the reasons for which companies may find hare really interesting is the 100-year-freeze-language

          . I'm NTA but one dev is an exaggeration, unless we are talking one drew-like dev

          >it doesn't take a lot to become proficient in hare
          You'd be right it doesn't, but that's not the problem. The actual problem in an enterprise codebase is having enough domain knowledge and understanding what the frick is going on with all the spaghetti code. This can be made easier for your soon to be employees by having them learn a popular language, their standard library and also some commonly used open source libraries, in their own free time before being hired. Hare makes this much worse by providing frick all to work with and no package manager, essentially guaranteeing that your employee will have to learn everything on the job with only your ad-hoc spaghetti code and a compiler maintained by another overworked employee.

          >big focus in its design on making it result in very readable programs
          What design, Drew? You mean the language that still doesn't have generics? The one that's also not memory safe in 2024? The one that is so bare bones that even C would make a better enterprise language in comparison?

          Make your shitlang useful first before shilling it on IQfy every single day.

          . Golang proved that simple languages are more profitable than complex languages

          . The language is not supposed to have generics and generics are actually an anti-feature for most applications

          It's amazing how moronic you are and how much you write by basically saying nothing of value

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The hare stdlib is pretty nice
            Not with no generics in the language. Literally no support for distributing reusable code that works with other people's types.

            >find hare really interesting is the 100-year-freeze-language
            So you're all aiming to be the next COBOL? Implement a language that is no better than C, a language from the 70s, and then expect it to survive for the next 100 years of software and hardware innovation, all of it under the premise that it's simple? Yeah, trust me bro. Just trust Drew, bro.

            >Golang proved that simple languages are more profitable than complex languages
            You must have no experience with Golang at all, or you'd realize that it's much more complex than Hare. You're also forgetting that Go's main selling point is their amazing standard library not how simple the language is.

            >The language is not supposed to have generics and generics are actually an anti-feature for most applications
            >generics are actually an anti-feature
            That just tells me that you've never written any useful production-level code, or worked for any company that does. Golang was forced to shoehorn generics into it after the fact, because so many people complained about the lack of generics.

            Google engineers made that mistake, and now you're repeating it thinking that you're better than them.

            >It's amazing how moronic you are
            Says the one with no production experience at all, projecting Drew's delusions on a Mongolian basket weaving forum.

            Stop sucking Drew's wiener and learn basic language design before trying to defend his shitlang.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            .Yes the stdlib works fine even without generics (see eg golang)

            . Hare solves the major ergonomic roughness of C (error handling, namespaces, reduced UBs, module system, tooling distribution...)

            .I have my fair experience with golang, but that wasn't the point. The point is that a language with "lol no generics" proved its usefulness and grew into mainstream despite what moronic complaining b***hes like you were saying. Not that it was a surprise for non-moronic people
            One point of the language is also its simplicity achieved by a reduced abstraction, I'm sure you know the famouse Pike's quote "people working at google are not researchers....."

            You still are moronic

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > package manager
            Lol
            https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/12/Supply-chain-when-will-we-learn.html

            https://drewdevault.com/2018/01/10/Learn-your-package-manager.html

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it doesn't take a lot to become proficient in hare
        You'd be right it doesn't, but that's not the problem. The actual problem in an enterprise codebase is having enough domain knowledge and understanding what the frick is going on with all the spaghetti code. This can be made easier for your soon to be employees by having them learn a popular language, their standard library and also some commonly used open source libraries, in their own free time before being hired. Hare makes this much worse by providing frick all to work with and no package manager, essentially guaranteeing that your employee will have to learn everything on the job with only your ad-hoc spaghetti code and a compiler maintained by another overworked employee.

        >big focus in its design on making it result in very readable programs
        What design, Drew? You mean the language that still doesn't have generics? The one that's also not memory safe in 2024? The one that is so bare bones that even C would make a better enterprise language in comparison?

        Make your shitlang useful first before shilling it on IQfy every single day.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >language taking a direction they're not comfortable with
        what does that mean

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      (You)

      (You)

      (You)

      (You)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you got me

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >chuds btfo

          We get it, Drew is a horrible person, and somehow people keep shilling his language for free. Dude shitposts on mastodon instead of making Hare actually useful LMAO.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Drew is just disingenuous. Don't take anything at face value you read from or about him.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>Drew is just disingenuous
            >the best defence he could come up with was calling him a liar
            >"bro he's not a bad person, just disingenuous"

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hare is not a language for serious projects

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >chuds btfo

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The hacker's languages are Python, Perl, Bash, Java.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hop

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes you must learning the jawa

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sir that's a duck.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hare - the ACKer's language

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bnuuuuuy

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you've ever wondered why this shitlang is only ever spammed in IQfy and has pretty much zero relevance outside of it, it's because the spamming is done by about 3 people in total (including drew degay himself).

    If they tried to shill it on any other non anonymous place they'd get instantly banned for shameless shilling and/or shunned out of the community as annoying spammers.

    This is, in fact, exactly what happened on lolster because the manchild still stuck in his "I hate my parents, but can't connect the dot to why is my metal state so unstable" phase named drew kept spamming about source hut. https://lobste.rs/~ddevault

    And EVEN IN IQfy, it's still insanely irrelevant to the point where the spammer needs to bump it (multiple times too, lmao) to keep it up.

    Keep in mind that this is AFTER drew begged people to shill his shitlang. So you can probably imagine just how irrelevant this toylang really is.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    qrd on this language?
    I see it shilled on IQfy all the time but it has literally no real estate anywhere else. It's even dead on reddit which is saying something.
    I'm thinking it's a psyop at this point.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      some people on here are annoyed with drew because he's a "soiboi" who speaks out against free speech extremism and replaced the russian greeting in the hello world on the homepage with a ukrainian one after the large-scale invasion and stuff like that
      one of them has taken it upon them to make these threads with stupid OPs to annoy drew in return who has repeatedly stated how annoyed he is by overzealous rust evangelists in the past
      i'm just here to casually bust any straight up lies and misunderstandings coming up because i actually like the project and don't care about any of that other stuff

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cool but I asked for a qrd on the language and why it isn't talked about at all besides here

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it is, just not very much outside of their own channels but that's nothing unusual, even the void distro doesn't get a lot of exposure outside here for example
          i answered your question about whether it's a psyop

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >i'm just here to casually bust any straight up lies
        >casually make up "OP isn't a shill, he's just trying to annoy drew haha..."
        shalom rabbi. your pilpul doesn't work here. drew has a history of shameless shilling and spamming
        >banned for shilling https://lobste.rs/~ddevault
        >banned in zig for chimping out https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/234#event-1572081475
        >spammed porn in some forum because of petty reasons

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it should be obvious to anyone who has read any of his messaging that OP can't be drew
          they're not even favourable and regardless of what you think about him you can't possibly think that the creator of a language is to dumb to present it properly

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >qrd on this language?
      shitty toylang with zero practical reasons to exist.

      >but it has literally no real estate anywhere else

      If you've ever wondered why this shitlang is only ever spammed in IQfy and has pretty much zero relevance outside of it, it's because the spamming is done by about 3 people in total (including drew degay himself).

      If they tried to shill it on any other non anonymous place they'd get instantly banned for shameless shilling and/or shunned out of the community as annoying spammers.

      This is, in fact, exactly what happened on lolster because the manchild still stuck in his "I hate my parents, but can't connect the dot to why is my metal state so unstable" phase named drew kept spamming about source hut. https://lobste.rs/~ddevault

      And EVEN IN IQfy, it's still insanely irrelevant to the point where the spammer needs to bump it (multiple times too, lmao) to keep it up.

      Keep in mind that this is AFTER drew begged people to shill his shitlang. So you can probably imagine just how irrelevant this toylang really is.
      >If they tried to shill it on any other non anonymous place they'd get instantly banned for shameless shilling and/or shunned out of the community as annoying spammers.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ah what a shame, thanks for the heads up though.

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