Historical Yeshua

Recently increasingly more people have started adopting the Jesus as a purely mythical figure pov. Was he really an actual, physical person at some point? I know of references made about him in outside the gospels, but can we know for sure they weren't added in later?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Radiochan

    >Was he really an actual, physical person at some point?
    probably, ancient Judea wasn't lacking for apocalyptic preachers
    > I know of references made about him in outside the gospels
    the most you'll get is references to people practicing Christianity in Rome at the time of Nero

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the most you'll get is references to people practicing Christianity in Rome at the time of Nero
      Both Flavius and Tacitus refer to him in no uncertain terms though

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus is better documented than Alexander the Great. Do you ever wonder if Alexander really existed?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Jesus is better documented than Alexander the Great
      Mostly from the epistles. Extraneous sources are, however, relatively rare.
      >Do you ever wonder if Alexander really existed?
      Yes, yes I do.

    • 1 month ago
      Radiochan

      no he kind of isn't
      all you really have is the gospels and

      >the most you'll get is references to people practicing Christianity in Rome at the time of Nero
      Both Flavius and Tacitus refer to him in no uncertain terms though

      they don't really talk about jesus, they talk about christianity, people worshipping christ as if a god, not jesus himself

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >they don't really talk about jesus, they talk about christianity, people worshipping christ as if a god, not jesus himself
        but they do mention him by name, albeit briefly

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >people worshipping Christ as a God
        Yeah that’s kind of the point of Christianity

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Mark 10:18
          So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.

          Jesus clearly stating that he is not God.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Objective documentation comes in the form of sources that do not care whether the state is value is true or not. If you are using the Bible as the source, the authors obviously only care to perpetuate the idea that he existed. There are no objectives accounts of his existence. Only the accounts of people that also report seeing israelites fly away in the sky.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Such a dishonest talking point

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There was a israeli insurrectionist named chrestus the myth was built upon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that's just a misspelling by Tacitus

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It was most likely altered later by Eusebius or the like. Even if you grant that, why would christians want to use Tacitus as a source again? He says they were horrible people

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >why would christians want to use Tacitus as a source again? He says they were horrible people
          he wouldn't feed into their delusion if he hated them, making it all the more reasonable that there was in fact a human Jesus if he said there was

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Seems like a weak inference. He plainly calls it a superstition, how would it be unreasonable that the alleged magical folk hero founder he never met was simply an aspect of that?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why even bother repeating such an obvious lie

      Christ is a greek word meaning "annointed", meaning Messiah
      it's literally used in the LXX

      your kind relies first on their targets being uneducated on the basic facts of the subject you're attacking

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >why even bother repeating such an obvious lie
        You sound Christian. Project

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Cope

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No it was a Paul Bunyan figure. The gospels were all based on a text called the Sayings of Jesus. Also known, unfortunately, as the Q document. It was a character.

  6. 1 month ago
    Habesha anon

    Ya Paul casually mentions meeting up with his brother James and people who knew him like the apostle Peter. Even mentioning his bitter religious disputes against Peter which he would have no reason to make up.

    That's good enough for me.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >mentioning his bitter religious disputes against Peter which he would have no reason to make up.
      >never once has an author faked an argument to make a point, ever

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like how in 2 Peter (totally not written by some Paulist) goes out of its way to talk about Paul and how awesome he is. And how if you don't understand what he says (because it's logically contradictive) then it's the readers fault.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This question just seems confused
    If he didn't walk on water, wasn't born of a virgin, didn't have 12 disciples, wasn't the son of God, and his name was something else. In what way are they Jesus?
    Like, the biggest link to the real historical world seems to be as Peter's teacher. And that's kind of it

    Who are the myths "about"? About the guy in Paul's visions? Paul didn't meet the historical Jesus!

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