History's first gay relationship

History's first gay relationship

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    More like a Biromantic Heterosexual relationship.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't gay at all. Enkidu quite literally becomes human through relentlessly fricking a priestess-prostitute, and Gilgamesh is introduced to us as a serial rapist (of women only). Enkidu is a carrier of feminine wisdom through Ishtar (via being humanized by her priestess), but that's about it. Anyone who tells you there is homosex in this great epic is a liar and a moron. There is Near Eastern mythological homosex, but it's not in the Gilgamesh epic.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Gilgamesh is introduced to us as a serial rapist (of women only).

      Sumerians were based???

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Sumerians were based???
        Monumentally so. Probably the most based people to ever walk the earth, which is why they were slowly pulverized out of existence by hordes of jealous Semites. Sad, but their legacy has managed to survive.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          > by hordes of jealous Semites
          Shame, you almost had it.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Akkad, Babylon, and Assyria.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ITT: gays trying to gay-view another myth/legend/event

      Read the tale, and it literally reads like a frat bro bromance, they go commit genocide and frick prostitutes and get wasted together even

      To be fair, it seems to be half and half. I'm firmly in the Gilgamesh and Enkidu were not gay lovers camp though, because there's nothing in the tablets to suggest that they were.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, and? Gilgamesh had a mother who was a goddess and never around (Ninsun), and Enkidu was basically transformed into a human man by a powerful priestess (Shamhat) dedicated to Ishtar. This simply highlights the power of their friendship. Enkidu and Gilgamesh are like an interlocking puzzle, and they mirror each other in many ways, but there's nothing in the epic alluding to homosexual activity taking place between them. Enkidu bangs a priestess for at least one week straight, and Gilgamesh rapes young brides all over Uruk. They are profoundly heteronormative in behavior, regardless of the spiritual significance in their bond.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          "Love him as a woman" seems pretty clear cut to me. Does it need to have a multiple paragraph graphic sex scene to constitute a romance? They were lovers, that much is explicit in the text. Whether or not they fricked is pointless to argue about. Modern notions of homosexuality have zero bearing when analyzing texts from four thousand years ago.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Modern notions of homosexuality have zero bearing when analyzing texts from four thousand years ago.
            You said it yourself. They were not "lovers". It was all about the magnetism of their friendship. You're also basing this off one English translation and synthesis of multiple cuneiform tablets, and projecting your own desires onto the text. The more accurate translation is 'drawn to him as a woman', and it is clearly a spiritual dynamic, not a sexual one, which the text stresses numerous times.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >tfw no magnetic, romantic friendship with a dude where we say "no homo" before we lie down in the same bed.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Essentially, Gilgamesh becomes the spirit-father of Enkidu, and Enkidu becomes the spirit-mother of Gilgamesh, in a way that his actual mother - Ninsun - never could be. On the ground, they are the first brodudes in literature, but in the realm of the numen, they are father and mother to each other. Ninsun's blessing of them both, and her induction of Enkidu into the cultic world of Sumer make the abundantly clear. They do not lay in bed together. If you are referring to when Enkidu is dying on his death bed, Gilgamesh embracing him is clearly not erotic. If you are referring to when they are camping out on the way to Cedar Forest, that is not laying in a bed together.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            'Drawn to him as a woman' is not much better dude. Is love only about sex to you? If they were lovers does that defile the story for you? With a flip of a switch they turn from epic heroes into dirty sodomites?
            Personally, I think the Sumerians were likely nowhere near as autistic about sexual shit as modern people are.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Gilgamesh starts off as a rapist, and Enkidu starts off as an illiterate monster. This is not about defilement. It is about what is in the text, and what isn't. Whether you look at Assyrian, Babylonian, Sumerian, or even Hittite tablets, there is no moment where Enkidu and Gilgamesh engage in sexual behavior with one another, yet there are many moments which explicate their sexual dalliances with members of the opposite sex. The love they share is that of friendship, and spiritual connection. To say they are lovers implies the erotic, which simply is not there between them. It takes the mind of a child who is first reading the epic to come to such silly conclusions.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Now we are getting into the weeds about the nature of love, and what it is. My thesis is that there is very little difference between a romance and a bromance, other than multiple millennia worth of moronic baggage we have piled on. The epic exists in a context where most of that didn't yet exist.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >My thesis is that there is very little difference between a romance and a bromance, other than multiple millennia worth of moronic baggage we have piled on
            And that's fine, yet to call Gilgamesh and Enkidu "lovers" not only flies in the face of the Oxford and Merriam-Webster dictionaries, but reduces a major spiritual dynamic in the greatest piece of religious / mythological literature ever produced, to something like Chuck & Buck. Even calling it a "bromance" reduces it to the likes of Pineapple Express. What takes place between Gilgamesh and Enkidu in the epic, was of monumental spiritual and symbolic significance to the inhabitants of Mesopotamia for thousands of years. We are working with ancient concepts like the mother-father in this story, which are far more powerful than buttsex or bromance. Yes, they fill in the empty spaces of one another, but not their anuses.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        No substance whatsoever. If you want gay stuff there's the greeks

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Frick you

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT: gays trying to gay-view another myth/legend/event

    Read the tale, and it literally reads like a frat bro bromance, they go commit genocide and frick prostitutes and get wasted together even

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, it seems to be half and half. I'm firmly in the Gilgamesh and Enkidu were not gay lovers camp though, because there's nothing in the tablets to suggest that they were.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >man anally penetrates another while kissing
      >"they were just friends bro"

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >man anally penetrates another while kissing
        But that doesn't take place in any variant of the epic.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Gilgamesh and Enkidu, The Lord of Uruk and The Wildman, bros for life.

      >man anally penetrates another while kissing
      >"they were just friends bro"

      Can you not read a story without picturing every man in the story sodomising each other?

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Their relationship reads as romantic but not sexual (the early parts with Ninsun comparing Enkidu to a wife is pretty telling) but there's room for interpretation.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bisexual erasure.
    Gilgamesh is known to have a direct descendant named Ur-Nungal, therefore it makes him bisexual not gay/homosexual.
    But probbly you think "bisexuality is too "straight"" therefore you try to erase bisexuality from history.

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