Holy shit. How come nobody reads this anymore? It's genius (first 2/3rd, at least).

Holy shit. How come nobody reads this anymore? It's genius (first 2/3rd, at least).

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anything written pre-COVID is completely invalid.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      ok that got a chuckle outta me

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    > How come nobody reads this anymore
    We do. It’s in the latest top 100

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >top 100
      Wut is this

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        /lit/‘s annual top 100

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >gets only good at Boy in Darkness and Titus Alone
    The first two novels are too long and not that great.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      it really passes me off that boy in darkness is not in this omninus

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s not in any omnibus, I think.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Michael Moorwiener is a huge homosexual, so is Neil Gaiman. They break us bucks by giving them every intro to every decent book in the SF/FA genre.

          That said Moorwiener at least wrote a few good novellas in the 70s whereas Gaiman never wrote a thing worth reading after Sandman

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Neverwhere is good

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’m interested in some Moorwiener books, any recs? Pic rel caught my eye, I like the title.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Read Elric and listen to Hawkwind.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Read Gloriana, it’s Moorwiener’s homage to Gormenghast and The Faerie Queene

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's definitely my favorite if his, he's written infinite sword & sorcery books (I read several of the elric melniboné books in high school, they were good if you like that), but this is one I still think about. It's a social satire more than a fantasy adventure thing, it's a very clever concept and has some great characters (although it loses steam near the end). Not much like Gormenghast though.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I enjoyed "The Rituals Of Infinity". Almost PKDesque.

            Read Elric and listen to Hawkwind.

            Hawkwind are like gods to me. The first 6 albums are absolute gold, as is Nik Turner's solo work.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Hawkwind are like gods to me.

            Frickin' A! Hawkwind Live Chronicles, Master of the Universe is GOAT

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The guitar riff around 2:01-2:15 of "Master Of The Universe" from the "In Search Of Space" album is my ringtone.
            And let's not forget Nik Turner's excellent solo work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OytZekcZst4

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Moorwiener's stuff was pretty revolutionary though, and paved the way for a lot of what modern fantasy IQfy is. He's like the transistor on the Lord of the Rings pipeline.
            I agree on Gayman though, I'd go so far as to say that Sandman isn't even good and he certainly isn't literarily relevant even within the confines of genre fiction.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Wtf I’m having a Mandela effect right now. Wasn’t this edition introduced by China Mieville?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s not in any omnibus, I think.

        Did the Folio edition at least have it in there? 2.5 and 3 barely add up in length to volumes 1 and 2.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, just the 3 novels.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Frick. It's quite the Lynchian kino. It's a crime to cut out that small bit of quality the trilogy has.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yea, it’s a crime it’s not included or even reprinted. It’s been out of print since like the 2000s. Shame, really

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bad bait

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        They hated him for he spoke the truth.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've read it and rereading it now that its getting cold

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just picked it up at the library yesterday and I am loving it!! So excited to see other folks talkign about it.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I barely made it through the first three chapters. Boring as frick. What's the attraction, anyway?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The prose and imagery for me. I like how Peake writes

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I can see that, but there's nothing else to hold my interest.
        Some rich guy in a castle holds a contest where all the peasants make little artworks. The winner gets to have it displayed in a gallery that no one visits; the rest are burned. The gallery's caretaker never leaves the gallery; God knows how much dust has built up, or how he poops. The butler (or something) comes up to tell him the lady of the castle had a baby, but is apparently so socially inept that it takes him forever to convey something simple. He then visits the kitchen where everyone is getting drunk. The lead chef gets in some rando's face, makes a bunch of pointless empty threats, then passes out.
        I gave up after that. It seemed so pointless.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          F I L T E R E D
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          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can't explain why anyone should like this book either, can you. All you can do is seethe.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Peake isn't even that good. He is trying a slightly antiquated style but the actual gothic novel writers did it three times better. It's only great after Peake goes off the rails after the first two volumes.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Example of someone who did it better?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm kind of glad Gormenghast never got the same big fanbase a lot of other fantasy sereis did like LOTR, Harry Potter, Ice and Fire, etc. I imagine it would only become pretty terrible. Though I heard Neil Gaiman is interested in doing some sort of adaptation, the 90s BBC one wasn't too bad but I think it condensed a lot of the plot. I'm also surprised some big named director like Tim Burton never got an interest in these novels since it seems like something that would mesh well with his aesthics.

      I'd rank the books like this:
      Titus Groan>Gormenghast>Titus Alone>Titus Wakes

      Third book went in some interesting places like the city being a combination of both fantastique and science fiction stuff loved how Peake just went balls to the wall crazy and letting his imagination run wild. Titus Awakes wasn't too bad but it's not great since it's largely made up of fragments put together by Peake's widow but it's interesting to see where the series potentially would've went with

      Peake's atmosphere is great he kind of reminds me of a British Alfred Kubin in a lot of ways plus it feels kind of liminal space horror the way he envisions the various long corridors and hallways.

      Unwin Peake Lord of Starpike in Fire & Blood and the whole Regency of Aegeon III is a big Gormenghast reference.

      He also has nods to Jack Vance and a couple other sci-fi authors. Bran also climbing the walls in Winterfell feels heavily influenced by Steerpike clmibing the castel and spying on Fushcia

      Has anyone read anything else by Peake apart from Gormenghast? Mr Pye was pretty fun but it just felt like I was reading a brochure for Sark

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >didn't rate Boy in Darkness
        itsover.jpg

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Neil Gaiman should just die already. He’s ruining everything

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    My favourite part in all the books has got to be when Steerpike scares the Twins into silence. I'm near 100% certain that he starts speaking in some kind of poetic metre, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to identify it. It reminds me of Poe and The Raven almost, so perhaps whatever metre is used in that?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's iambic pentameter

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I come as Warning! Warning! Your throats are long and white and ripe for strangling!
      >x - x - - - - x- x- x- x - x - -
      Is it? That doesn't seem like the iambic pentameter I know of, though I'll admit I have only a weak familiarity with metre in general.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's iambic pentameter

        Meant to reply to this.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    At least we have this:
    https://archive.org/search?query=subject%3A%22Gormenghast+trilogy%22

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bump. It's not for everyone but it's hardly "boring", just because most of the action isn't violent (although there is no shortage of that) doesn't mean there's no interest. The best parts are the descriptions of the grotesques and their awful interactions, really top comedy.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The character have fun interactions, I give you that. But the writing style is boring compared to his predecessors he tries to imitate.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well, I'd love to know who the predecessors are, because to me it was revelatory prose writing, seeming florid but actually quite precise. I really had no expectations going in, and I was absolutely floored at how funny and creative and vivid it was, I still have no exact reference point, except maybe the pictures of Edward Gorey

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >tfw just read a small Gorey book
          heh
          Honestly, you should read Lovecraft and Poe and stuff like Udolpho, Melmoth, Otranto, Ossian, The Monk. Lots of castles there.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I've read Lovecraft and Poe, as obsessed for a while. There's no comparison, Lovecraft is as far from Peake as it's possible to be, and Poe's not far behind (and only because Poe has so much variety). Peake is playful and droll and really enjoys language, Gormenghast has some "Gothick" aesthetics but this is pretty superficial, he's closer to Wodehouse. His characters are like the gargoyles on a gothic cathedral - frightening at first glance, but often silly or weirdly charming if you look at them for a while. The sculptures were having fun with it, and that's the impression I get from Peake as well

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    This used to be a IQfy favorite before the /misc/ invasion several years ago, back when we discussed literature. Though I still see it mentioned sometimes.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going to say what I always say about Gormenghast on IQfy - it contains far more imagery than it does meaning. I'm not always convinced that the emperor is wearing clothes.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think it's a philosophical novel in disguise, I don't think it ever tried to give that impression. It's just an aesthetic pleasure, a lovely thing that surprises you with beauty.

      Which is not to say it is meaningless, it has heart and moments of insight, but it is art for its own sake, and that's a fine thing too.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I agree with you that it's art for its own sake, and I think I agree that it never pretends to be otherwise, though I don't really know much about Peake's philosophy of art. I'm sure we have a pretty equal estimation of the book and it's place in the canon, though I'm not sure I can personally enjoy that type of literature.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not everyone has to like everything, and sometimes it's more about the circumstances of the encounter than the work itself.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Peake was a painter before he was a writer, and that shows in his writing. I still think it has some interesting themes, like it's portrayal of rigid adherence to tradition (Peake grew up in Beijing in the final days of the Qing), but it's strengths are certainly within the prose and imagery that he conjured, and those are quite unique to the novels.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The most interesting influence Peake had in newer times was probably in Muir's Gideon the Ninth. All-encompassing castle world with clashing aesthetics and humor and a protagonist trying to escape.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I will start to read it now

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unwin Peake Lord of Starpike in Fire & Blood and the whole Regency of Aegeon III is a big Gormenghast reference.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      pretty much everything outside of the ASOIAF main series is some overly referential garbage

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Even the main series itself is just a big ripoff of English history. e.g Lan(c)asters being the conniving scheming family with red imagery, hadrian's wall, civil war for the throne, etc. etc.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I give him more credit on the front of the main series because he comes up with a large majority of the interpersonal drama himself, and weaves it together himself, and there's obviously some fantastical factors included that aren't stripped from English history. but the shit like Fire and Blood and the world of ASOIAF or whatever the frick it is called is just an amalgamation of a bunch of different literary and film references, I mean half of the worldbuilding for Essos is just a Lovecraft strip which is enough to prove for me all those dark towers won't ever actually be relevant to the main story. once you take out that personal drama it just becomes dangerously close to a boring and hackish copy/paste job, which makes shit like F&B a complete waste of your time.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Fire & Blood is all interpersonal drama. I don't believe you've read it.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            eh, it's more of a summarization of interpersonal drama through a biased lens. decidedly less referential than some of the other "extended universe" shit he's done but still pretty much irrelevant as a piece of literature. it's literally all telling you "and then this happened, and this happened, and then the reign of Aegon the Sisterfricker was over"
            I admittedly didn't finish it, but only because I recognized it for the waste of time it was.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            filtered

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hey, don't come crying to me when none of it has any relevancy whatsoever to the resolution of the main series. It's a half-assed project that shouldn't have even been put out, he'd been better off just writing more Dunk and Egg stuff cause at least those have plots and characters.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine being such a plot gay you cuck yourself out of the best content in all asoiaf.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you can get kicks from a bunch of and then statements, feel free

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          By that logic Shakespeare should also be dismissed. He based many of his plots on history.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, and they are literally titled 'Henry I' or 'Richard II', not passed off as fiction slop you fricking drooling moron go back to picture books they're clearly more than enough for you to handle

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            > Yeah, and they are literally titled 'Henry I' or 'Richard II',
            Not all of them. He changed Amleth to Hamlet, for example.
            > Yeah, and they are literally titled 'Henry I' or 'Richard II',
            > not passed off as fiction slop you fricking drooling moron go back to picture books they're clearly more than enough for you to handle
            He’s very transparent about his historical influences.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        There’s even a Lord or something named Elmo ffs

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fuchsia bringing Lord Sepulchrave pine cones was the saddest thing I've ever read.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I thought it was great, though I didn't continue past the first one. So many grand Dickensian villains being horrible and causing suffering wore me down a bit. On another tack though, it was a big influence on a video game writer I really like, and the exploring the castle parts were a significant inspiration for Book of Hours which just came out a month or two ago.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've slogged through it twice. Don't remember why.

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the appeal?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      gothic atmospheric kino

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