How and why did Mary become so important to Catholicism and Orrhodoxy despite being a somewhat minor character in the Bible?

How and why did Mary become so important to Catholicism and Orrhodoxy despite being a somewhat minor character in the Bible? Any books about this?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >despite being a somewhat minor character in the Bible
    It's subtle, but the allusion to her being the new Ark of the Covenant marks her out as being someone very important.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mary is not the Ark.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Contained God Himself, like the Ark.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The New Testament is so unoriginal its writers had to pick every story in the Old Testament apart to give meaning to its characters.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sadly this. It would have been much harder to convert people (Especially israelites and other Semitics) otherwise. Lineage and foundation was much more important then than it is now, though it seems a new religious feel will eventually supplant this idea (Big Bang/Ein Sof/American Dream//Wonder Child). Any new religion with no tradition is always automatically deemed a suspicious cult almost always.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The New Testament is so unoriginal its writers had to pick every story in the Old Testament apart to give meaning to its characters.
        Mary is a historical figure, not a character.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Mary is a historical figure, not a character.
          lol

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have scholarly consensus on my side, what do you have, mad fedoras on Reddit?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you know you don't have any support for your position when consensus is your first line of defense

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you know you don't have any support for your position when consensus is your first line of defense
            yeah the fact all serious historians agree on something means I must be wrong, have you ever considered this isn't Reddit and and you're gay?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >all serious historians agree
            source?
            >this isn't Reddit and and
            kek

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you pictured on the bottom

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >jesus
            where's the evidence for "mary"?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            are you suggesting historians who reached scholarly consensus that Jesus was a historical person think Jesus did not have a mother? lol

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            were talking about the biblical character known as "mary," where's the evidence for her?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            answer my question gaytard:

            are you suggesting historians who reached scholarly consensus that Jesus was a historical person think Jesus did not have a mother? lol

            pretty sure there's no scholar that rejects the idea that Mary existed

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            your question is cope and you already realized it lol
            "jesus' mom" isn't a historical figure, where's the evidence for "mary"?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            she's mentioned in the Bible including Paul's letters, but again congratulations on being so moronic you think Jesus, a confirmed historical figure, didn't have a mother lol

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She's God's mommy

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Along with the other posts, in israeli tradition the king's mother is crowned the queen.
    >The gebirah is believed by some scholars to have held great power as counsel of the king. In 1 Kings 2:20, Solomon said to his Mother Bathsheba, seated on a throne at his right, "Make your request, Mother, for I will not refuse you". The position of the queen mother was a privilege of the highest honour, and was the highest authority for a woman in Israel or Judah. In fact, the only time a woman held higher office was in the case of Athaliah, who usurped the throne of Judah.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebirah

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so that woman have a model to identify with in otherwise very male oriented characters

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The biggest issue with Mary is that she thinks her son's gone insane when he brings his ministry to Nazareth, and she (along with Jesus' brothers and sisters) tries to get him to stop proselytising and return home.

    This itself is strange since she was already visited by an archangel who told her she'd soon give birth to the son of God, who'd go on to save the world from sin.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah well it'd been decades and maybe she had been convinced it was merely a dream.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm so glad Marcionism doesn't have these moronic problems that are only countered by complete copes like

      yeah well it'd been decades and maybe she had been convinced it was merely a dream.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The biggest issue with Mary is that she thinks her son's gone insane when he brings his ministry to Nazareth, and she (along with Jesus' brothers and sisters) tries to get him to stop proselytising and return home.
      The word used there is "brethren" but it can also be translated folksmen, neighbors or friends.
      Further, those same people tell him that his mother, brothers and sisters arrived verses later.
      This is the second time I've seen someone make this mistake. Legit, protestants' interpretation of scripture destroyed christianity in the west.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The word used there is "brethren" but it can also be translated folksmen, neighbors or friends.
        >Further, those same people tell him that his mother, brothers and sisters arrived verses later.
        >This is the second time I've seen someone make this mistake. Legit, protestants' interpretation of scripture destroyed christianity in the west.
        Nah, Catholics invented a new interpretation for what brothers referred to to delegitimize James and Jude who ran the Jerusalem church in favor of the Romans who killed Christ.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          When you read phrases like “Sons of Levi” or “Levites” do you think that they all were literally the sons of Levi? Do you know how tribes work?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Impressive, very nice, now let's see how the protestants misinterpreted

        Jesus be like:

        >While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:46-50

        >As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:27:28

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          trying to retcon Jesus's siblings has always been the dumbest Catholic cope ever, don't buy into it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm just curious what the cope would be
            >ackchoally as Mary heard the word of God and obeyed it - because she must have if she was chosen to bear Christ - Jesus wasn't actually contradicting...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that the dogma of Mary's perpetual virginity they use to place her on the same level of Christ is non-biblical and ahistorical bullshit

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >on the same level of Christ is non-biblical and ahistorical bullshit
            It couldn't be more biblical, with the caveat that the Virgin is not God. We do not believe that, and to insist that we do would be to misrepresent the truth, which if I remember my Bible correctly is also a pretty biblical concern. See

            Along with the other posts, in israeli tradition the king's mother is crowned the queen.
            >The gebirah is believed by some scholars to have held great power as counsel of the king. In 1 Kings 2:20, Solomon said to his Mother Bathsheba, seated on a throne at his right, "Make your request, Mother, for I will not refuse you". The position of the queen mother was a privilege of the highest honour, and was the highest authority for a woman in Israel or Judah. In fact, the only time a woman held higher office was in the case of Athaliah, who usurped the throne of Judah.
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebirah

            for the biblical antetype.

            >And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery. And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It never states Mary thought he had gone insane, it said the crowd thought he had lost his mind and she come to grab him because she was worried.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Protoevangelion of James

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >In primeval Ireland, however (from where Iceland was fertilised), the counter-current sets in, matriarchal (the Mother of God instead of Theotokos or Theogonos, Christ overcome by Mary). Here the most secret primeval ground of the old Norse soul, deep, fairy-tale infinity, Arthur, Parzival, Grail legend — pre-Celtic, genuinely Norse, an essential trait in Faustianism. Faustianism is therefore primeval Nordic and Celtic and Germanic. The new mystical idea of Catholicism emanates from Ireland: the papacy, the cult of the Virgin Mary, infinity. The Irish missions also convert Rome, from Byzantinism. So there is deep Nordicism in the papacy too, wherever its idea is new. This counter-current begins in 500 and pushes forward in the Crusades — the real upsurge of pre-Celtic North, not Germanic — to the exit of the Sun religion. Rome becomes matriarchal, Rasena.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      schizo word salad

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its from Oswald Spengler's unfinished book

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Spengler
          yeah, what i said

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One of the princesses in Constantinople made it popular. John Chrysostom got kicked out because he called her out on it. I think it was Eudoxia

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like when Jesus goes missing on a family trip and Mary and Joseph have a little domestic moment looking for him

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Marian devotion is common to at least some degree in all of Christianity. Protestantism is the sect that rejects the mother of God, and I'm convinced they only do it because they have a warped and heavily Islamized definition of what worship is.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the sect that rejects the mother of God
      I don't think skepticism towards convoluted arguments like

      https://i.imgur.com/3wvmO02.jpg

      >Contained God Himself, like the Ark.

      clearly thought up by Marian theologians retroactively trying to find a Biblical basis for Marian devotion counts as rejecting her.

      Again, why is she more or less a minor character in the New Testament? Why are Marianites forced to use vague allusions and allegories to support the Queen of Heaven/Female Jesus argument?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh it most certainly does count as rejecting her.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >clearly thought up by Marian theologians retroactively trying to find a Biblical basis for Marian devotion counts as rejecting her.
        How far do you think it goes? What about the Church Fathers?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is the opinion of the Catholic Church that the Church Fathers were infallible?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not saying that, if the Church Fathers mentioned it, that means that existed.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kinda like the Assumption of Mary, an event that ostensibly none of the apostles thought worthy of recording, other than leaving a vague allusion about the Queen of Heaven in Revelations?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Mary died buddy, then her body was Assumed, before Thomas was allowed to see her one last time.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And none of the New Testament writers thought that was an event worthy of documenting?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I’m not sure you understand why the Bible was created.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Luke 11:27:28

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            These verses are read on most feasts of the Virgin Mary. Jesus corrects the woman from the crowd, not by denouncing his mother, but by emphasizing her faith. People are blessed in God's eyes if, like Mary, they hear the word of God and keep it. The Greek word menounge, here rendered more than that, is translated “Yes indeed” in Rom 10:18. This word corrects by amplifying, not by negating.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Jesus corrects the woman from the crowd, not by denouncing his mother, but by emphasizing her faith
            Holy shit called it lol

            I'm just curious what the cope would be
            >ackchoally as Mary heard the word of God and obeyed it - because she must have if she was chosen to bear Christ - Jesus wasn't actually contradicting...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But isn't that exactly why Mary doesn't possess any special degree of blessedness and hyperdulia is unjustified?

            You’re either a israelite, or you were raised by Protestants. If that is what you believe, then, that is what you believe.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Heh, believe what u wanna believe, israelite/prot
            the based e-cath discord still aren't sending their best

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I asked you a genuine question, what's with the schizo rant?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But isn't that exactly why Mary doesn't possess any special degree of blessedness and hyperdulia is unjustified?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Since the conception of matter and time.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

    >How and why did Mary become so important to Catholicism and Orrhodoxy despite being a somewhat minor character in the Bible? Any books about this?

    THE FACT OF HER BEING THE MOTHER OF GOD MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT; JUST A WILD SPECULATION, THOUGH; WHAT AN ENIGMA.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    protties be like:
    >yeah uh like my mum is just a minor character in my life
    i laugh but then remember that american children and parents hate each other, the former are thrown out on the street as soon as legally allowed, and the latter are put into elderly containment jails instead of caring for them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >colombia is 70% catholic
      >80% of births are out of wedlock
      I know mary wasn't married to god when she was impregnated with jesus but that's taking that a bit far innit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not sure what latam shitholes or catholicism have to do with my post

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >americans dumping their parents in rest homes is a consequence of protestantism
          >70% catholic countries with 80% bastardy rates? simply socioeconomic factors

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus be like:

      >While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:46-50

      >As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:27:28

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Does this mean jesus was a prottie with mommy issues?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Catholics are the ones with mommy issues not Jesus.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I notice there aren't a lot of Catholics replying to this one. lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah this is totally the tact a real Christian would take, I love how you just openly admit this is a larp to you

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It will never not be funny that Muslims were so confused by Marianism that they thought the trinity was God, Mary, and Jesus

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Considering Islam's perculiar adherence to the moon and lunar deities - it might of been intentional. God/Moon/Sun = their version of the trinity.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Constantine's mom probably thought she should have a bigger role.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    roman christians needed a stand-in for hera

    btw, all catholics are actually pagans and are responsible for killing jesus

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do Americans read the Bible in this quasi-Rabbinical manner? Like they'll count how many times Mary appears in the Bible and then try to quantify her importance.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there's a reason why they got kicked out of england

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >quasi-Rabbinical manner
      "quasi-Rabbinical" like using israeli tradition to justify Mary worship (see

      Along with the other posts, in israeli tradition the king's mother is crowned the queen.
      >The gebirah is believed by some scholars to have held great power as counsel of the king. In 1 Kings 2:20, Solomon said to his Mother Bathsheba, seated on a throne at his right, "Make your request, Mother, for I will not refuse you". The position of the queen mother was a privilege of the highest honour, and was the highest authority for a woman in Israel or Judah. In fact, the only time a woman held higher office was in the case of Athaliah, who usurped the throne of Judah.
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebirah

      )?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Virtually all major religions venerate some manifestation of the Divine Feminine. It is natural that if Jesus Christ is the central figure of one's religion that she is most suited to fill that role.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is a deep reminder for me that westoids, nordicucks, americans and anglos can't properly observe Christianity. It is not a golem religion by design (pearls before swine)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, paco, we know you're not really religious, and any expression of faith you attempt to makenon here is just IQfyposting about prots not spicing they chicken

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mary is Cybele. Jesus is Dionysus

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Even the gods, with whom the believers thought they were uniting themselves in their mystic outbursts, were more human and sometimes more sensual than those of the Occident. The latter had that quietude of soul in which the philosophic morality of the Greeks saw a privilege of the sage; in the serenity of Olympus they enjoyed perpetual youth; they were Immortals. The divinities of the Orient, on the contrary, suffered and died, but only to revive again. [12] Osiris, Attis and Adonis were mourned like mortals by wife or mistress, Isis, Cybele or Astarte. With them the mystics moaned for their deceased god and later, after he had revived, celebrated with exultation his birth to a new life. Or else they joined in the passion of Mithra, condemned to create the world in suffering. This common grief and joy were often expressed with savage violence, by bloody mutilations, long wails of despair, and extravagant acclamations. The manifestations of the extreme fanaticism of those barbarian races that had not been touched by Greek skepticism and the very ardor of their faith inflamed the souls of the multitudes attracted by the exotic gods.

      >When astrology and the Semitic religions caused the establishment of a solar henotheism as the leading religion at Rome, Attis was considered as the sun, "the shepherd of the twinkling stars." He was identified with Adonis, Bacchus, Pan, Osiris and Mithra; he was made a "polymorphous" [40] being in which all celestial powers manifested themselves in turn; a pantheos who wore the crown of rays and the lunar crescent at the same time, and whose various emblems expressed an infinite multiplicity of functions.

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