How can anyone take this "religion" or its adherents seriously?

How can anyone take this "religion" or its adherents seriously?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You could ask that about every religion.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Islam is stuck in the 7th century.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Based. Meanwhile very other religion bends backwards for liberalism. The bible explicitly stated that gays should be put to death yet every historically Christian country has legislation protecting homosexuals.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The bible explicitly stated that gays should be put to death
          You sure gonna be able to find a source for that

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Leviticus 20:13
            it's the old covenant tho

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You cannot ask that about scientology

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Can you?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      /thread
      People are so fricking brainwashed.
      Only a few people have the actual soul and capacity to see reality for what it is for themselves. Dogma dogma dogma

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How can anyone take "religion" or its adherents seriously?
    ftfy

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why shouldn't people take Islam seriously?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because it's barbaric.

      Based. Meanwhile very other religion bends backwards for liberalism. The bible explicitly stated that gays should be put to death yet every historically Christian country has legislation protecting homosexuals.

      This isn't based. Bending ass over backwards for liberalism isn't that great but it's better than living in a caliphate.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Because it's barbaric.
        How so?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Well for starters, the Middle East has a intermarriage rate for its cousins at about 45%. Pretty fricking stupid, considering that lowers the quality of the gene pool. Muslim majority countries don't tolerate other religions as much as they could, and they uphold misogyny like a virtue. Women couldn't drive in Saudi Arabia until 2017. According to Pew Research, 84% of muslims in pakistan support sharia law, 89% support stoning for adultery and homosexuality, 76% support the death penalty for leaving islam. I would not say fearing these positions is irrational. Islam is not compatible at large with Western society. Anyone who thinks a growing portion of the muslim population in western countries (specifically canada and western europe) can exist without large tensions is silly.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Even if we assume Muslim countries are as bad as you say, I don't see how that has anything to do with whether one should take Islam seriously. A belief should be judged on its own merits, not on the conduct of its followers.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Refer to the original post: "OR its adherents seriously?"

            keyword or

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You should have used the word 'and' if you only wanted answers to both parts of the question.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Islam is the belief that some guy talked to an angel in a cave 1500 years ago
            What's there to take seriously if I don't think that's true?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Muslim majority countries don't tolerate other religions as much as they could
            The only Muslim countries, excluding Pakistan, where there's been major intolerance of Non-Muslims in the modern era have been the ones destabilized by the West and/or Israel and therefore enabling sectarian conflict to pervade. Israel's conflicts against Palestine and Lebanon, and the US-led wars against Iraq and Syria have caused an exodus of Christians.

            There's countries like Malaysia and Indonesia (excluding West Papua, which is more a of racial conflict), and countries across Central Asia, and even countries across West Asia and North Africa, that haven't become embroiled in war or instability and where Non-Muslims have lived alongside Muslims. In fact, in Malaysia and Kazakhstan there's too many Non-Muslims and they're all of relatively-recent migrant backgrounds. Meanwhile, Muslims are marginalized in neighboring the Philippines and Thailand and previously faced war or massacres, are persecuted in China and Indian Assam, and are violently genocided in Myanmar.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not true. Iran has largely banned christianity. Same for Afghanistan. Afghanistan does not even recognize christian Afghanis as citizens.
            You can read more about that here:
            https://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Christianity_in_Afghanistan
            Iran is similar I believe.

            You should have used the word 'and' if you only wanted answers to both parts of the question.

            You are right. Pretend I used the word and in the OP.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Your issue really isn't with Islam but the morons who just happen to be Muslim. Inbreeding is dumb but these cultures have been practising it long before Islam. Islam does allow first cousin marriages at the bare minimum but it doesn't encourage it. My family found it disgusting because we traditionally live in multi family units so at the very least your first cousins literally grew up with you and are seen basically as siblings.
            >don't tolerate other religions as much as they could
            My nation is 100% Muslim, the only non Muslims who came were invaders or people trying to subvert Islam. This sort of spineless liberalism you expect from us will only allow other regions to expand within your nation. If you genuinely believe in your religion, you would never allow it.
            >they uphold misogyny like a virtue
            Women have very generous rights in Islam, Muslims just never uphold them.
            >3 months compulsory alimony
            >compulsory child support until the child is 2 years old
            >she's not fiscally responsible for any costs during the marriage even if she works
            >husband can not prevent her from trading or working
            >demand literally anything as a marital gift
            >can't be forced to marry anyone
            >if accused of zina by anyone except her husband, the accuser is punished instead unless he/she meets very high requirements like at least 4 witness
            >if the husband accuses her and she denies it, then they swear to God, divorce and leave it as that
            The issue isn't the religion, just even the so called fundamentalists don't follow it.
            >Women couldn't drive in Saudi Arabia
            Literally nothing against driving. A woman is free to travel a distance of a 3 days journey from her closest mahram. Maybe back in the day that was like 30-60 miles but now that covers the entire world except certain mountains and really isolated parts of deserts or oceans thanks to modern transportation. And she can remain there indefinitely.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >my country is 100% muslim
            Good. Stay the frick there.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >My nation is 100% Muslim, the only non Muslims who came were invaders or people trying to subvert Islam.
            How did your nation get acquainted with Islam, though?

            >Women have very generous rights in Islam, Muslims just never uphold them.
            So, what's the point?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >How did your nation get acquainted with Islam, though?
            Trade or missionaries. There was no Arab invasion or mass migration of Arabs to it. The only Arabs are a small minority or merchants centuries later who settled in certain urban areas but are a somewhat persecuted minority with very limited political rights. They can never hold anything beyond a seat in parliament I think. They definitely can't be President or PM. It's Somalia btw
            >So, what's the point?
            Fair point but the issue isn't the religion. That's like saying the source material for ASOIAF is horseshit because later seasons of GOT were rubbish. Just because someone didn't follow the rules and steps laid out for them and intentionally goes against it, doesn't mean the actual material is shit. Silly analogy but I hope it makes sense.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >84% of muslims in pakistan support sharia law
            Muslims support following Islam...duh
            >89% support stoning for adultery and homosexuality
            Firing squad, beheading, throwing someone of a building headfirst, lethal injections, the only difference is the method, if you're in an Arabian desert the only options they had make sense. We can just use lethal injection.
            >76% support the death penalty for leaving islam
            Its not really leaving Islam that's the issue, Muslims constantly do things that automatically make them an apostate like missing a compulsory prayer. The issue is with trying to push your new religion, atheism or actively seeking to dismantle Islam. Some guy who doesn't pray is just advised to pray on time, someone telling people Allah isn't real and that we shouldn't pray has declared himself an enemy of God and actively seeks to destroy Islam. What kind of system would allow this? I'm sorry but if you lived under a rock but milk toast conservativism where you focus on yourself doesn't fricking work.
            >Islam is not compatible at large with Western society
            Considering the drag queen book clubs and disgusting gay parades, I would agree.

            Refer to the original post: "OR its adherents seriously?"

            keyword or

            I'm Muslim and I agree that most Muslims are moronic. Most don't even understand what Allah is or most of the rules within the religion. That's how you get so called salafis walking around saying God, has a face, two right hands and a single shin, sits on a magical chair floating above heaven and occasionally goes up and down the heavens to hear our prayers. Scholars like Nawawi have called out these morons for centuries but most don't even know who he is.

            Because it's barbaric.
            [...]
            This isn't based. Bending ass over backwards for liberalism isn't that great but it's better than living in a caliphate.

            If there actually was a caliphate that followed the teachings of Islam, so many non Muslims, especially businesses, would go there just for its extremely laissez-faire fiscal policies alone. Just don't be moronic and you pay like a 3% income tax. People like women and the elderly exempt btw. So some boomer could move there and pay 0% tax.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >a caliphate
            no street crime
            no drunk people
            no interest loans from the bank
            no beggars
            no junkies
            nobody knocking your door trying to scam you
            no pornography

            >Musa(as) and the Shepherd

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A caliphate that abides by its rules would be pretty attractive for pensioners and women in general from the west. A 0% tax rate where they can live in their little community and enjoy their retirement with the full protection of the state as long as they leave the locals alone. They can literally live in a resort until they die and drink all the moonshine they want in private, if anyone invades their privacy the Caliph is obligated to punish his own citizens. For the cost is maybe $1000 a year, an able bodied adult male gets to have the exact same rights and freedoms.
            If a caliphate ever came about which stuck to its rules instead of adding its deviant culture into it, it'd basically be the closest thing to real world ancapistan. The only issue is some degenerate liberal will inevitably get wienery and try influence the locals.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >If a caliphate ever came about which stuck to its rules
            What rules? Where are these rules outlined?
            Can you seriously find all this just in the Qur'an?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no interest loans from the bank
            So, like, how would I got about buying a place to live until I'm like 45?
            Am I supposed to just get fricked unless my parents provide me with those things

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Most "Islamic" mortgages are shitty attempts at sneaking interest in to the transaction in all but name. An example of an acceptable alternative is getting in an agreement with a bank to buy a % stake in the house every month. If the house value drops, you get to buy the same % for lower price and potentially end up buying the house for less than the original asking price. So let's say a 250k home and you only put 2k in a month. Assuming an appreciation of 5% a year, it would take 14 years and 10 months to pay a total of 355k to pay for a house that's now worth 527k. You might have ended up paying 42% extra on the property but the house value appreciation was 111%.
            Totally halal, the bank gets a profit but so do you. You don't end up paying more for the house than what it's worth. If you change your mind, you sell your portion of the house and use the money to invest elsewhere. The only reason "Islamic" banks won't do this is because they're too greedy. If all other options were illegal they'd be forced to do this.
            The only other things they can charge you for is paying your share of any home improvements, maintenance and repairs relative to the portion you own. If you own 10% and there's an agreed upon expansion costing 20k, you pay up 2k. You wouldn't mind since you probably asked for it and it'll probably increase your home value by 50k. If there's normal wear and tear you pay your portion. But if you damage anything, that's on you.

            >If a caliphate ever came about which stuck to its rules
            What rules? Where are these rules outlined?
            Can you seriously find all this just in the Qur'an?

            Yh they're all in the Quran and the hadith which cover what happened during the life of the prophet. Islam is very laissez-faire, people just add on their own twists regularly. The Saudi female driving ban is an example of it. Women could ride horses, camels and walk within a 3 days journey freely, that now encompasses the entire world so a woman is free to travel the entire world. But Saudi said no, back then women could only travel 60 miles in 3 days so 60 miles stays. The Quran and hadith never said that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You can get an investment in your business or work.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's two kinds of loans for housing that I'm familiar with.

            The first one, you pay a % of the cost of the house yourself and the bank pays the rest.
            You then are in a partnership with the bank as owner and you rent the percentage of the property which you don't own for an agreed amount.
            As you pay off the loan your rent decreases as the bank owns less of the total.
            The rent price can be set quite low in this scenario.

            The second one, the bank buys the house and sells it to you for a profit, the bank loans you the money to buy the house. It's not allowed to set a time limit on the repayments for this type of loan

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why bother having a religion at all at that point? Religion is for keeping strict guidelines that keep society in line. Islam is barbaric, but it serves its purpose whether you hold positive views of it or not. Christianity and Judaism are just a doormat for secularism.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Religion is for keeping strict guidelines that keep society in line.
          Religion is for infusing morality upon society, not acting like some sort of theocratic USSR.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Its false for starters.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Those people literally believe some desert dweller went into outer space on the back of a winged horse with a human face. They think he split the moon in half and then put it back again the way it was. Those are literal beliefs of Muslims. The fact I'm supposed to tolerate those people as if they're rational human beings is absurd.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're a israelite and LGBT worshipper.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No I am not. I genuinely just don't see how it is compatible with modern society in the West.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >israelite and LGBT
      These two things are ideologically contradictory and diametrically opposed.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's very simple
    >much description of hell to terrify people
    >much description of heaven to seduce them
    >extremely authoritative tone throughout the entire book
    >a hint of strangeness to satisfy those who want mystery
    >a hint of extreme piety to satisfy those who yearn for righteousness
    >small, easy to learn and remember
    >endless promotion of the idea that believers are the good guys and non-muslims are the bad guys
    and voila, two billion people worship and obey you beyond your wildest expectations

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Those people literally believe some desert dweller went into outer space on the back of a winged horse with a human face. They think he split the moon in half and then put it back again the way it was. Those are literal beliefs of Muslims. The fact I'm supposed to tolerate those people as if they're rational human beings is absurd.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Look, I think this universe's cause is some guy that walked on water 2000 years ago.
      I'm not gonna run that criticism.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They got results. They crushed christendom and what remained of rome and still hold most of that land. It's a religion that promises some and delivers most of that.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    But it's a very valid question, seeing as the Quran itself debunks islam.
    >the prophet was not a believer before revelation
    >the prophet has no knowledge of the Hour or the unseen
    >4:3 in arabic doesn't mean you can marry two, three, four women, but that you can marry them by twos, threes or fours

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the prophet was not a believer before revelation
      The founder of a religion wasn't following the religion he founded prior to it being founded
      >the prophet has no knowledge of the Hour or the unseen
      Only Allah knows the hour, the Prophet (pbuh) does have some knowledge of the unseen which he relayed in hadith and etc. Stuff about Jinn, Angels, the afterlife and so on
      >4:3 in arabic doesn't mean you can marry two, three, four women, but that you can marry them by twos, threes or fours
      This, I don't know what you're on about 4:3 is a ratio aspect, what does it have to do with wives?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >This, I don't know what you're on about 4:3 is a ratio aspect, what does it have to do with wives?
        You're moronic. I'm sorry.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Islam is the most “trustmebro” idea ever. It’s a meme gone wrong.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Crawl back in the tunnel you came out Tunnel israelite

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Frick Pisslam.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No one except them do, They grow purely via breeding like rabbits.
    And if YouTube comments, anecdotes and some studies are to be believed, Even like half the young people under 30 in most muzzie majority c**ts don't.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Muslim arguments summed up
    >every hadith I don't like is daif
    >no, only my specific interpretation of this verse counts
    >you don't know anything about islam
    >you don't know arabic
    >I'll cut your throat kafir
    >look how based and cring- I mean redpilled we are
    >lalala I can't hear you
    >there's no way two billion people could be wrong
    >sir you must ask a scholar sir
    >no not that one

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Daif hadiths are daif and you should ask someone better informed if the person you're asking isn't sure or doesn't know and good on them for saying to do that

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Daif hadiths are daif
        Depends on the scholar, and daif hadiths can be used in fiqh anyway.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Historically, Muslims were far more loose and heterodox with their practice and understanding of Islam. It was far more intertwined with their pre-Islamic cultures.

    Autistic orthodoxy is a relatively modern phenomenon.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    who takes islam seriously besides muslims?

    who takes muslims seriously besides leftists?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When judgement day comes don't come crying to your local mosque. If I ever see you near mine, you'll be meeting Allah really soon.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >how can an atheist/disbeliever ever understand religion?

    You can't.

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