How come Finnish and Hungarian people look so different when they speak closely related languages and have the same historical roots?

How come Finnish and Hungarian people look so different when they speak closely related languages and have the same historical roots?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ???
    Both look like yellow devils and not European

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nihao ching chong chung

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hungarians are just celto-slavs with 1-2% ugric dna. Meanwhile finns are heavily uralic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Finns are about 5-8% Uralic. Average around 6%. It's not nothing but it's not a lot, either. Northern Russians can be up to 16% Uralic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      EHG_Karelia somehow deletes most of the asiatic component of Finnish people. I wouldn't call Finns 'heavily Uralic' compared to northern Russians.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because EHG is heavily East Eurasian. If you use more proximal sources(Balts, Germanics, Sintashta) the EHG component in Finns becomes tiny.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Terrible model. Remember, the G25 does not distinguish between related components, your source is garbage.
          Also, the G25 can't properly allocate EHG/CHG to Europeans, Davidski posted about it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Terrible model
            It probably couldn't be any better. Finns don't have some super complex ancestry, it's pretty much just Baltic, Germanic and Siberian with traces of other things. In any case it's 100 times closer to reality than the model above it. Maybe you meant to reply to that post instead of mine? it would make mores sense.
            >the G25 does not distinguish between related components
            It can if they are divergent enough. Basic stuff.
            >Also, the G25 can't properly allocate EHG/CHG to Europeans
            Which is why I'm not doing it? the CHG in Finns is baked in the Germanic component in particular.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          who am i

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >EHG deletes Asia

        Quite obvious that ANE in EHG is partially chingchong to begin with. Not popular opinion but still a fact.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah well anything near northern Russia will be 'golic.
          In actuality I'm hovering around 3-4% asiaticyness.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lots of Hungarians, maybe 1/3, are Balkan brownoids like Vlachs and Albanians.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No they’re not. They’re genetically closest to Slovenes and then Austrians and Slovaks. Your map is wrong.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, u.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            homie are you for real?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How come Irish and Punjabi people look so different when they speak closely related languages and have the same historical roots?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They actually look pretty similar

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Now post the irish feller

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It’s hilarious how browns like poos unironically believe they look like any white man with dark features.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They do though? Colin Farrell could pass for a random Bollywood actor any day.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That would be believable if you said Turkish or Caucasian. I’ve yet to see a single pajeet who could pass anywhere in Europe.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This guy looks Neapolitan

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            He doesn’t if you know anything about phenotypes, but yeah the lightest pigmented pajeet on earth can look like the darkest European to some ignorant moron, not really proving your point there.

          • 1 month ago
            sage

            He looks Persian at best.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hungarians are genetically Slavs, Finns are white-hapa mutts

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How come Nepalis and Bangladeshis look so different when they speak closely related languages and have the same historical roots?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You do realize their languages branched off in like 2000 BC and the people have had zero contact ever since?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's way too complicated, it's easier to classify people based on language family. It was good enough for Hitler.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In many cases language groupings are quite useful and overlap perfectly with genetics. People historically didn't speak the languages they spoke on accident (like they do today). They spoke it because their parents spoke it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Complete 180 of reality. Tell me a brown hell-goblin from southern Germany is the same as a Norwegian just because the cousins of Norwegians ancestors gave southern Germans the choice of either death or speaking German.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Finno-Ugric is not one of those cases, however. Hungarians diverge a lot from people in the same language family both genetically (they're mostly Pannonian basin people who assimilated) and culturally.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're right, but it's not just the Hungarians, the Finns and Estonians are also very divergent in their own way from the rest (Mordvins, Khanty-Mansi, etc), at least genetically for sure. Less divergent than Hungarians but still very divergent.
            I don't know about culturally, no idea if all that Kalevala shit is some common Finno-Ugric thing or purely a Baltic-Finnic invention.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no idea if all that Kalevala shit is some common Finno-Ugric thing or purely a Baltic-Finnic invention
            I posit that it's Elias Lönnrot's invention.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How about the Estonian equivalent? Is it really that hard to believe they're real mythology and oral history? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalevipoeg

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            AFAIK the Kalevipoeg has nothing to do with the Kalevala, and was similarly "assembled". there was even a Hungarian attempt at the same time to collect some sort of archaic epic poem but it was abandoned after it turned out that the attempt is hopeless.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It is definitely his creation, and shouldn't be viewed as representing "authentic" folklore in that regard. Lönnrot edited his material very deliberately, whether to match the tastes of the era, to serve educational or moral purposes, or to reflect his personal views about the contents of the poems. Nonetheless, it is almost entirely built from real folkloric ingredients, and Lönnrot made a conscious effort to create something that was representative of as wide a swathe of Finnish culture as possible. Reading what was changed from the originals and why is almost as interesting as the work itself. I recommend that anyone with a working knowledge of Finnish take a look at the critically annotated Avoin Kalevala.
            http://kalevala.finlit.fi/

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            why does he look somewhat like apu or benis spurdo

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no idea if all that Kalevala shit is some common Finno-Ugric thing or purely a Baltic-Finnic invention
            I posit that it's Elias Lönnrot's invention.

            How about the Estonian equivalent? Is it really that hard to believe they're real mythology and oral history? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalevipoeg

            AFAIK the Kalevipoeg has nothing to do with the Kalevala, and was similarly "assembled". there was even a Hungarian attempt at the same time to collect some sort of archaic epic poem but it was abandoned after it turned out that the attempt is hopeless.

            Kalevala: meticulously researched collection of legit Karelian myths
            Kalevipoeg: literally a wewuz self-insert fanfic by Kreutzwald

            know the difference

            source: am estonian

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Btw this is pretty much what the common ancestor of Finns and Hungarians was.

    Target: seima_turbino:ROT002_merged
    Distance: 3.8535% / 0.03853501
    89.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    8.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    1.6 RUS_Tyumen_HG

    A 90% Siberian guy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What he look like tho

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        More Siberian Asian than you can imagine

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Like dis?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nganassans are 90% krasnoyarsk_BA.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're language (even historical) isn't necessarily connected to your genetic lineage. Most languages spread through conquest like latin to gaul, iberia and romania. Or spanish and french to their colonies. Or turkish to anatolia etc.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Or like American to the rest of the world

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >talking about finns as a single group with zero knowledge of the east-west split
    pseuds pls go read some actual resarch

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well, no Finn looks anything like any Hungarian so it's not necessary to specify it to that degree

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      My theory is theory is that West Finns are mostly language shifted proto-Germanics,. Literally the root of "East Scandinavian" Germanic race.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      SW and East Finns are both only like 1/8 of the population each. Most Finns are in the halfway point either because they are Tavastians or mixed.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    N1a-L550>Y4341>Y4339 identified in sample ful001, 314 AD, Fullerö, Sweden.
    A richly furnished inhumation male chamber burial, placed in a mound. Although the grave had been robbed, it was still remarkably richly furnished and unique. The burial chamber is the largest of all known in northern Sweden from CE 200–700. The gold finger rings, one of them the largest gold finger ring ever found in Sweden, were probably military honours; the chain mail, belt and the boar-like tusks, and canines from pigs, probably for a horse fitting, may indicate that the man had been in Roman service. In the grave was a worn gold coin used as a pendant, struck for the Roman emperor Maximian Hercules 291CE. Bear skin was placed with the deceased.
    doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.11.024

    N1a-L839 identified in sample lov002, 475–520 CE, from Viken, Sweden.
    Well-furnished chamber grave, containing a male, with a sword, sword belt and 50 gaming pieces among other grave goods.
    doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2022.11.024

    N1a-L4339* identified in sample 84001 (ERS2540883, cemetery 1, Nunnan) from Sigtuna, Sweden, 10-12th c.
    Old Sigtuna according to Old Norse religion was previously the home of the widely revered god Odin. Sigtuna has more runestones (over 150) than any other city in the world.
    doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2018.06.053

    N1a-L550>Y4339>VL11 identified in a Rurikid Prince Dmitry Alexandrovich, the son of Alexander Nevsky, 13th c, Transfiguration Cathedral, Pereslavl-Zalessky.
    doi.org/10.32607/actanaturae.23425

    N1a identified in 7 early Viking samples in Salme ships. Salme ships contained rich grave goods; warriors originated from central Sweden.
    doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-2688-8

    N1a-L550 identified in a representative of La Tene culture - I20509 (Germanic outlier), 400-200 BCE, Central Bohemia, Prague 5.
    An individual aged 30–50 years in grave 42, wearing an iron arm-ring, yielding sample I20509 (male)
    doi.org/10.1038/s41586-021-04287-4

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      N1a-VL29>Z1936>L1034 identified in Avar Khagan, KB/300
      Richest known Avar-age grave was found in the border part called Bábony, Hungary. Two armed man were buried near each other. In the grave 1 was buried a man who died at the age of 60-70. His skull was Mongoloid-Baikal type. The old man wore gold earrings, belts decorated with gold mounts. His swords, knifes, quiver and bow decorated with gold plates was put into the grave. Between the folded bones were found a gold jug, vessels decorated with gold mounts and a big amphora. dead was covered with shroud decorated gold plates. The Avar leader was buried on a bed decorated with gilded plates, which was covered with a coffin cap. 211 pieces of gold finds were found in the robbed male grave, the total weight of which was 2.33 kg. The grave-goods were dated to 630–660 AD, the burial was around 660 AD.
      doi.org/10.1038/s41598-019-53105-5

      N1a-P43 identified in 2 elite warriors of Pazyryk culture from burial ground of Ak-Alakha-1 in Altai Mountains.
      An accompanying burial of nine horses in a special compartment of the outer log structure; placement of both people buried in special cists at least equal in their size to those from the “royal” Pazyryk mound 4 (Rudenko, 1953: 44). Both cists contained armories including iron pick-axes with wooden handles, iron daggers in wooden scabbards, gorytoi with arrows, and bows. In the studies of the Pazyryk culture, this mound was the first intact and “frozen” burial of noble equestrian warriors with fully preserved grave-goods and fragments of costume. Two individuals were found to belong to the East Eurasian maternal haplogroup C4.
      dx.doi.org/10.17746/1563-0102.2015.43.4.144-150
      researchgate.net/publication/288856400

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hungarian but looks Italian

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Looks literally Vlach

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going to blow your mind my dude, but get this: language is not genetic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >language is not genetic
      Bullshit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Are Indians Germanic?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you want to die of laughter, take a good long look at your map sometimes.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hungarians are central european Slavs who changed their language to the language of their elites, and their Magyar elites were warriors who mostly got killed in the Mongol invasion of Hungary period or the wars against Ottomans.
    So the language stuck, while the genes are gone.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Magyar elites were also mutts already, mixing with a lot of Europeans, Iranics, and HAPAs in Eastern Europe for a few hundred years before ever reaching Pannonia.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's the ~~*official version*~~, actually original Hungarians were closely related to Germanics, they were tall with light hair and eyes

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Related languages? Sure. Closely? Not really, their languages are about as closely related as English and Bengali. It's not obvious to a layman that they're related.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Not really, their languages are about as closely related as English and Bengali
      No, more like English and Greek. Which still isn't obvious to the lay person and they aren't mutually intelligible in any meaningful way. (Obviously not counting loanwords between these two languages.)
      English and Bengali would be Finnish/Hungarian vs Samoyed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Do we actually know that Germanic shares a more recent common ancestor with Hellenic than with Indo-Iranian? Isn't the internal cladistics of "core IE" pretty disputed?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          In theory at least, Albanian, Greek and Armenian derive from the same branch spoken in Yamnaya culture whilst Indo-Iranian, Balto-Slavic, Italo-Celtic and Germanic come from Corded Ware. However there's so many linguistic substrates involved that these ancient relations aren't that meaningful.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          In theory at least, Albanian, Greek and Armenian derive from the same branch spoken in Yamnaya culture whilst Indo-Iranian, Balto-Slavic, Italo-Celtic and Germanic come from Corded Ware. However there's so many linguistic substrates involved that these ancient relations aren't that meaningful.

          The first branching of IE was kentum vs satem languages. English and Greek are both kentum languages. Bengali (and Iranian and Slavic languages) are satem languages.
          So English and Greek are more closely related than English and Bengali.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I thought it wasn't even universally agreed up on that centum and satem are genetic classifications.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's not true at all. First branching is Anatolian which has nothing to do with centum/satem. Satem is a development from centum anyway. Basically, the satemization process happened in a subset of Corded Ware in Ukraine before Corded Ware spread to Poland, Czechia and Germany. So there were two Corded Ware groups involved in the invasion of the lands and they were already differentiated somewhat. But the fact that Satem exist doesn't mean non-Satemic Indo-European languages are closely related since it's the base state.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        English, Greek and Bengali all belong to "equally" divergent branches of Indo-European so not sure what's your point here.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Only about 20% of Hungarian's vocabulary is "Finno-Ugric".

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >uncertain
          I recall some parallel claims, namely that the uncertain part is closer to 40% and that by phonotactics it could very well come from a single unknown language. add to this that hungarian has a "dark age" (borrowed words do not help us figure out the identity of its neighbors between about 900 BC and 400 AD), and you get the situation where either our ancestors lived under the rule of a nation with an unknown language (huns?) or we are the descendants of a nation with an unknown language, later finnugorized (avars? but avars were steppe-turks, although there's some doubt wrt. the first wave of avars who came to the carpathian basin towards 586 or thereabouts).
          in either case it is funny how hungarian has a lot in common - grammatically - with other uralic, mostly ugric, languages, but the small details are all wrong, i.e. the particles (suffixes and other parts of speech that do not have their own isolated meaning) do not usually seem to descend from the otherwise common uralic precursor. they could be borrowed or inherited from some language with enough similarity (agglutination, great shitload of noun cases etc.) to hungarian to come up with the current language structure.
          then again, hungarian was isolated from its closest relatives for almost 3000 years. anything at all could have happened to the vocabulary and phonetics during that isolation.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hungarians are the original mutts. This is why you will never be home anywhere.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you will never be at home anywhere
            WRONG. Home IS the Pannonian basin with best friends Austrians and Slovaks

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >best friends are your mortal enemies
            Quaint

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Just a bit of banter

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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    Volga and Permic Finnic are still stronnly related to Ugric and probably started off as having Ugric/proto-Uralic substratum

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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Komi sounds Turkic af

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think the real question is how can we sexo finn girls to restore an R1 lineage to an EHG tribe?

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