How does Pynch know so much? Is it true that he has CIA connections?

How does Pynch know so much? Is it true that he has CIA connections?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A large amount of authors likely did. The CIA likely plays a far larger part than is realized in culture and media.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't it an open secret that the CIA/FBI funded avant garde and formalist writers in an attempt to foster nationalistic pride and create a sterile art culture that excluded social and political involvement in North and South America? At least, that's what a few of my beret-sporting, black turtle neck-pulling commie professors said in college.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hey man if the government wants to fund more books like GR then let em

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not stuff like GR because that does tackle some social, political, economic issues, they were talking more about abstract art and “aesthete” writers who either didn’t include any of those topics in their writing or actively refused to include any of it (I’m drawing a blank on some names, Nabokov, Cabrera Infante, the French nouveau roman are the only things that come to mind).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ok but what message is the CIA trying to send with some of these books? Like do they really think the average person is going to give a shit about Gravity's Rainbow? Honestly, they probably don't have any direct influence on media because most people don't need brainwashing to be government bootlickers. A lot of political thrillers are just a classic tale of defending your land against invaders, which I think everyone can appreciate to some extent, the problem comes when people start applying this to real life with no critical thinking (i.e. in movies it's fun to root for the CIA agent, while in real life they are just as bad as whoever they are against)

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OP here. I really only made this thread because about a month ago there was this one anon who was working on a program to play random lines from audiobooks and they said they would post it in a GR thread once finished. Just wondering if it was finished or not (if not then no worries, I don't mean to rush.)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Everything people use as proof of Pynchon having CIA connection is stuff which had been in public knowledge for decades, they just draw the faulty connection to LSD/mkultra, Pavlov and sodium amytal where old news by the time he wrote GR, even the OSS wartime experiments with sodium amytal were released by then and the use of it as a truth serum was known about in the 20s.

      That's me, sorry anon, I did not forget and I am glad you are bringing it up. I got hung up trying to figure out if some of my audiobooks have issues or my ffmpeg install has issues and then got distracted and then got fed up with IQfy for a couple weeks. For some reason some audio books need ridiculous settings for noise floor and pause length to get useful results which makes it a pain to get it too automatically figure out sane values so you don't have to sit there manually trying different values for each audiobook. Back when I made this script originally I did not have to set a noise floor and ffmpeg let me just wanted the pause length, guessing it just averaged audio level to make a best guess at what was a pause which worked great for my needs but being able to set a noise floor is probably more useful for most people so they added it.

      I will finish it up this week, worst case some audiobooks will require futzing. Watch the Pynchon threads.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        do you have some examples i never read this guy except the scat fetish excerpts.

        maybe its like this anon
        says, if you wrote a novel today about hypersonic space planes, ground and space based laser and microwave beam weapons, rail gun technology as anti-missile defense systems, voice to skull technology and maybe some biotech stuff like growing organs and visualizing brain scans to create digital avatars.

        and none of that stuff exists now but maybe in 30 years it will and people reading your book in the 2050s will be like "how did this guy in the 2020s know all that stuff" but really you were just guessing and trying not to go too far into science fantasy. maybe stick to plausible advancements for the near future. if you're clever you can future proof your work by blurring this line between going too far and not far enough.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >i never read this guy except the scat fetish excerpts
          Based

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Working on the script now, keep shaming me, I deserve it.

          Its not even looking back and going how did he know about it? As I said, faulty connection, there is no mind control in GR. Slothrop was (at least he believes he was) classically conditioned by some Pavlovians when he was an infant, sodium amytal is used to question him in the hopes that under the drug he will reveal things he is not really aware of. The only way getting drugged programs him is by feeding his paranoia which doesn't really need feeding and may never have even happened.

          mkultra was not old news when he wrote it

          I didn't say it was. Nothing in GR is mkultra shit, it is Pavlovian conditioning not mind control through drugs which was very well known, Pavlov won the Nobel for it for fricks sake and sodium amytal used as a truth serum which goes back to the 20s and the people in power gently nudging Slothrop in the direction they wanted him to go which is downright ancient. You should work on that comprehension.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Interesting and intelligent points, but I still find the Operation Paperclip/Dr. Hilarius, former Nazi doctor and scientist giving LSD to housewives for a psychological experiment/MK-Ultra ties strangely plausible (going more to CL49 now, not GR). But you may be right it could’ve all just been public or arcane semi-public knowledge, rumors, research, and info, nothing necessarily preternatural.

            Before we had Alex Jones and InfoWars and the like, even before Bill Cooper, I’m certain there was still a conspiracy culture in the U.S. And interestingly, it was tied at least as much with the left-wing counterculture as it was with the right-wing. Pynchon could’ve heard things on the grapevine in his counterculture potsmoking days and friendship with those in it like Richard Farina, as well as the known wiretapping/surveillance/harassment (COINTELPRO and the like) that went on in those days against these groups. Interestingly, speaking of that, I’d read some interesting article long ago claiming Pynchon was paranoid about Farina’s death and considered it a possible plot against him for his political views, and that his extreme measures towards anonymity could’ve in part been from this. There was also some funny and interesting (although extremely overwritten) thing about how CL49 had this sort of coded message in it about U.S. government misdeeds Pynchon was somehow privy to and it’s another reason Pynch values his privacy too much. But again, you make a good point that this could easily be sensationalized and people titillating themselves over conspiracies real or imagined.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Those psychological experiments actually happened and were published in the journals, subjects did not know what they were getting or if they were getting a placebo, standard test practices to get a clear idea of what the actual effects were uncolored by expectations. There had been two decades of study on LSD in the public sector by the time Lot 49 came out and in the 60s they were big news because the whole campaign to outlaw it was in full swing.

            You will be hard pressed to support the Farina paranoia in anyway, maybe something will come out of his archives about it but I wouldn't count on it. Pynchon's writing suggests him to be a well reasoned person.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yep, I get what you mean, but it’s the Nazi —> MK-Ultra connection that’s rarer and less well-discussed, but decades later writers like Walter Bowart (arguably perhaps a pop nonfiction writer? but still interesting) came out with these suggestive ties. They were said to have tested mescaline and other possible hallucinogens or psychoactive compounds on inmates at Dachau and elsewhere, and the claim goes they brought some of the Germans over, not just for some of their infamous work in NASA, but even for entities like the CIA and for projects like MK-Ultra and biological weapons research at Edgewood Arsenal and others.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I mean just look at what happened to Dylan, wouldn't you also be spooked?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Nothing in GR is mkultra shit

            uhh

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        mkultra was not old news when he wrote it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Play random lines from audiobooks? I don't get it

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, deeper than that. Pynchon is an initiate.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He actually makes a lot of stuff up, but so convincingly he almost appears omniscient.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's pretty funny lol. But... how would you know...?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He explains his writing process in the foreword to "Slow Learner."

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >"In the olden days we called it the last roundup," DL explained. "Liked to scare each other with it, though it was always real enough. The day they'd come and break into your house and put everybody in prison camps. Not fun or sitcom prison camps, more like feedlots where we'd all become official, nonhuman livestock."
    >"You've seen camps like this?" At once there seeped into the cheery space a silence like a stain in the light. Ditzah, at her editing table trembling, seemed to turn her body from what DL would say, to present less of a target, but DL only answered evenly.
    >"Yep, I've seen 'em, your mom was in one, you'll recall, but better than us reminiscing and boring you, go to the library sometime and read about it. Nixon had machinery for mass detention all in place and set to go. Reagan's got it for when he invades Nicaragua. Look it up, check it out."
    What book should I check out from my local library to learn about this?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      look up the FEMA Walmart™ deathcamps of the early aughts, or the australian covid camps

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      lookup "REX 84"

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did Joyce know so much? Is it true that he had Rockefeller connections?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pynchon is an AI created by the military.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    he did things like you know....read books....went to libraries....

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm impressed/upset that he got all those descriptions of yurop through nat geo instead of actually going their :/

  9. 1 month ago
    B-52 N-Bomber

    GR is unfilmable, thank God.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The film rights were sold supposedly to keep it from ever getting made into a film but I suspect it was more about getting Pynchon some money, a friend of his bought the rights. There was an anon would made an animation of part of it and he did a good job of it but he has deleted his youtube since and the video is gone.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >would
        who.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        which part did he animate?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the cruise ship scene, obviously

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            even... that one part.....

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yes, that and the toilet scene.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            add in the Domina Nocturna part and it's certified kino.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            disgusting, wtf is wrong with you

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