How is it possible for the people on the left to be the SAME EXACT ethnicity as the people on the right?

How is it possible for the people on the left to be the SAME EXACT ethnicity as the people on the right?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They arent?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Idk what you tried by selecting mostly iberians while slipping in non iberians here and there
      >guy with blue shirt
      He's Italian I think
      >Woman
      don't know her but she looks exotic, if she's spanish then she's gypsy or canarians
      >Busquets, Fernandes, Cruz
      Part Gypsy
      >Asensio
      Half Dutch
      All the other are part of the same ethnicty safe for the few non iberians on the left

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >He's Italian I think
        What’s his name?
        >if she's spanish then she's gypsy or canarians
        She looks like a big portion of Spain’s population.
        >Busquets, Fernandes, Cruz
        >Part Gypsy
        None of them are Gypsy, stop making shit up.
        >Asensio
        >Half Dutch
        Shouldn’t that make him even lighter instead? Do you think it’s his Dutch side that makes him look like an Arab? Lol.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >She looks like a big portion of Spain’s population.
          No she don't
          >None of them are Gypsy, stop making shit up.
          they are it's widely know
          >Shouldn’t that make him even lighter instead? Do you think it’s his Dutch side that makes him look like an Arab? Lol.
          idk picrel is pure dutch

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >pure dutch
            "Makaay" does not sound very Dutch, anon.
            And sure enough:
            >Dutch people of Indonesian descent

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So exotic spaniards can't have gypsies ancestry but exotic dutch MUST be part indonesian???

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >No she don't
            She really does, it’s no wonder when people think of Spanish women they think of women like her.
            >they are it's widely know
            It really isn’t. I literally googled it and NOTHING came up. For ANY of them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ok troll.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You’re the one claiming Bruno Fernandes is gypsy when he looks like the average portuguese.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ok. What if he do?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I come from a small village in Andalusia and we don't mix with gypsies, they live in their own community. They are dirty, poor and ugly people.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm the average Portuguese and he looks nothing like me. I would call him a monhé .Maybe he's just ugly and spends too much time on the beach

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >people living in the same nations=same ethnicity
        pfft

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I mean from a biological perspective

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You yourself said that these people arent the same. I dont know what you are really asking mate

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I exactly stated the opposite:
            >All the other are part of the same ethnicty

            They aren't

            moron.

            >what is ethnogenesis and why someone from catalonia isnt exactly the same as someone from madrid
            Let alone the fact that even full blooded siblings can look fully different, are you really asking why people arent socially/racially segregated into a clan structure?

            Cataln ethnogenesis is the same as Castille ie Iron Age Iberians + urnfield Celts

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            well, some of them have dna that expressed differently than others. We carry genes that even if we ourselves may not express, they can get expressed into future generations. Furthermore not all genes are propagated when you reproduce, it's a chance game
            It's as simple as that. Real life isnt strategy games where the barracks constantly spawns identical units just because they are in the same faction

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They are all Iberian in ethnicity. There are no different ethnicities in Iberia aside from Basques. You can’t tell me someone from Catalonia is a different ethnicity than someone from Madrid.
          What is their ethnicity then, what is it called? Why can’t you answer it?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >what is ethnogenesis and why someone from catalonia isnt exactly the same as someone from madrid
            Let alone the fact that even full blooded siblings can look fully different, are you really asking why people arent socially/racially segregated into a clan structure?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You realize how dumb you sound? First you say they are different then goes on to say “well, even brothers can look ethnically different”. So which is it? Are they ethnically the same or are they ethnically different?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If even brothers can look different, then people who arent as closely related (even if phenomenically they appear to be pretty "close" which is an extremely vague term) can appear to look even more different. I dont know what the purpose of this thread is.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >All of your post
            No fricking shit? The point of the thread was to point out the VASTLY different phenotypes in the Iberian population. What other singular ethnicity has THIS level of phenotypical variation?
            Just the fact that several people itt have said that they somehow aren’t the same ethnicity proves it is a worthwhile discussion.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >out the VASTLY different phenotypes in the Iberian population
            Why singling out Iberians?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I’m not saying there are outliers. Matt Hummels is an obvious outlier. But both the people on the right and on the left in the OP could pass for an Iberian and nobody would question it. Because it is much less rare than having an outlier.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hummels pass as German and nobody actually question it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Another famous "dark" german

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Many have variety; any mediterranean nation has variety. In fact arguably any sizeable genetic group does. unless we are talking about a small isolated tribe nation like the sentinelese. I think your real question is "what exactly is their component groups and genetics" as if it was something we had on a neatly written list.
            For what it's worth, Spanish is their civil identity, their racial one is far more involved and complicated. When genetics advances even more in 20-40 years we will have clear/better answers to such questions.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >In fact arguably any sizeable genetic group does
            Northern European countries don’t. Japanese don’t. Nigerians don’t. Even middle eastern countries don’t have this level of phenotypical difference, and when they do, they are their own ethnicity.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Northern European countries don’t.
            Mr Bean or Gary Lineker

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Northern European countries do not
            Completely wrong.

            t. Norwegian

            https://i.imgur.com/B9QXrKY.jpeg

            How is it possible for the people on the left to be the SAME EXACT ethnicity as the people on the right?

            Most of these have rather similar facial structure, the only real outlier I can see is the woman in front of the Portuguese flag.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Most of these have rather similar facial structure
            Still different. Many people on the left could pass for northern european, the ones on the right obviously wouldn’t.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There are many people in northern europe who would pass in Spain and some who don't.
            Bjork don't pass at all in Spain for example

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, that is my point, but in reverse.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So in every european country you have a range of phenotype that would fit anywhere and then some others who don't

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No. The point was that the range of phenotypes in Iberia is so big that middle easterners and moroccans could pass for Spaniards just like Norwegians and English could.
            A Norwegian wouldn’t pass in Bulgaria for example. A Moroccan wouldn’t pass in Germany. But both would in Iberia. That is the point.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >that middle easterners and moroccans could pass for Spaniards
            They don't, you're just assuming that they do.
            >A Norwegian wouldn’t pass in Bulgaria for example
            Nulgaria has some very nordic looking people like all slavs

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >They don't, you're just assuming that they do.
            Do the Iberians on the right now pass as Moroccan? Please.
            >Nulgaria has some very nordic looking people
            No native Norwegian could pass for a Bulgarian lol.
            Facial features, skeleton and cranium shapes in Europe are more similar from West to East, not North and South.
            Bulgarians can be very fair but they’ll be unmistakably eastern and stick out in Northwestern Europe. Fair iberians wouldn’t.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Björk is a good example of diversity in Northern Europe, many foreigners assume she's asiatic, but most people here wouldn't bat an eye of they passed her on the street.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We know, Sven

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You come from peasants, son. It's nothing to be ashamed

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You can’t tell me someone from Catalonia is a different ethnicity than someone from Madrid.
            maybe not now but that doesnt mean it never was

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You will be able to in a few decades when Catalonia become an islamic republic but never before that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            says who? some study of a hundred andalucian inmigrants in hospitalet?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why would Andalusians and Catalans be radically different in the first place?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            parts of catalonia were muslim for less than a hundred years while in andalusia it was several centuries, catalonia was also under frankish rule while andalucia had bizantines for a while, it's just different, I don't know what the problem is.
            Also catalans repopulated valencia and balearic islands but not andalucia.
            But please show me that study of a hunded dudes again

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >parts of catalonia were muslim for less than a hundred years while in andalusia it was several centuries
            Andalusian are descendent of people who migrated there from the north after Ferdinand III reconquered the province.
            >catalonia was also under frankish rule while andalucia had bizantines for a while
            See the previous argument, also neither occupation left a trace, Franks ruled Catalonia in name only.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Orriols will prevent that, we expelled them once we'll do it again

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        basquets for some reason looks extremely iberian even if he's brownish, i don't know why

  2. 1 month ago
    ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

    >How is it possible for the people on the left to be the SAME EXACT ethnicity as the people on the right?

    YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING THE PRESUMPTION; WHY DO YOU NOT ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It is not a presumption as all of these people are iberian, with iberian surnames and no relevant non iberian ancestry, except Asensio who has Dutch ancestry, but that’d be to my point since he’s one of the dark ones.

      • 1 month ago
        ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

        THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN «IBERIAN ETHNICITY».

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh really? Are these people different ethnicities then?

          • 1 month ago
            ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

            >Oh really?

            YES, REALLY.

            >Are these people different ethnicities then?

            YES, EVIDENTLY.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What are the different ethnicities called?

          • 1 month ago
            ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

            WHO CARES? ONLY ANGLOS, AND GERMANICS, CARE ABOUT ETHNICITY, AND ABOUT THEIR IMAGINARY COLOUR «RACES».

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I am native Spaniard and the more the anglos and others spread nonsenses against Spain or the Spanish Empire I feel more and more connected with all LatinAmerican people´s and I am realizing that we should have remained as one.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So if millions of African immigrants came flooding to your country you wouldn’t care about their ethnicity?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Are they?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes? Some are natives, some are mulattos, some are Iberian.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >no relevant non iberian ancestry
        kys

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >kys
          he's right

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            no he's not, you guys follow one single study using a small sample as the new gospel, it's pathetic how you autists operate

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is that surprising? first of all who knows what ancient iberians looked like but after greeks, phoenicians, romans, berbers, magyars, suebs, moors, visigoths and franks enter the peninsula it's obvious some people would have different traits depending on their ancestry.
    Its nothing to be ashamed of as we all descend from both males and females.
    Saying someone is a rapebaby or a cucked or things like that is bullshit cause you have both defeated and conqueror genes in your body, we all do.
    inb4 le halogroup autist with his 1000 people sample disagrees and pretends no one ever fricked here except the ancient iberians

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >inb4 le halogroup autist with his 1000 people sample disagrees and pretends no one ever fricked here except the ancient iberians
      None of the group you listed had any impact and iberians had varied phenotypes before those even existed

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you have to be a moron to believe this

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          no he's not, you guys follow one single study using a small sample as the new gospel, it's pathetic how you autists operate

          don't be mad bro, turn out that aside a few exceptions like south italians european changed very little since ancient times

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because most people that don´t know them always focus in the swarthier when in fact the majority of Spaniards (without gypsy blood) look like on the left:

    Just tell us 1 out of this 100 people that look nonwhite. Tell us in which second of the video they appear.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    And people still don´t get that Spain is the 2nd country in the world in ABSOLUTE number of gypsies: 1.000.000. And people don´t realize that Spanish gypsies (a relatively high amount) are living normally among the native population so there have been a good amount of mixed marriages.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >1.000.000
      there are no 1 million of gypsies in spain, where the frick do you get that number from? we would not even have electricity if that was true

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >there are no 1 million of gypsies in spain
        1 million and a half, in fact
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitanos

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I was in Madrid last year and had to chase down a gypsie that tried to steal my backpack.

      Looked nothing like the normal Spanish people.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Camarón de la Isla

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    And also people use the worst lighting conditions to show their goal. Antonio Banderas in dark lighting conditions look dark like on the OP image.

    Antonio Banderas without a tan looks like this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Basically bri'ish pub crawler pheno. Reminder to get lean and get healthy levels of sunlight bros.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There honestly must be a grand total of 40 millions ethnic iberians in the world, 10m Portuguese, 10m Basques and Catalans and 20m other Spaniards

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So being ethnically iberian means being brown?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No it means looking like Iker Casillas
        You can look lighter or darker, but not too much

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Pretty sure the entire population of portugal doesn’t look like him.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >entire population of portugal doesn’t look like him.
            Yes, all people look different

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They aren't

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Answer this

      It is not a presumption as all of these people are iberian, with iberian surnames and no relevant non iberian ancestry, except Asensio who has Dutch ancestry, but that’d be to my point since he’s one of the dark ones.

      then

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Here you have your answer:
    Spain is basically the Iron Age population that received a significant Germanic and Middle Eastern, North African and Caucasian (from the Caucasus) admixture.
    The Basques are the purest ones, and that's why they are the most successful internationally.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Stop spamming this; Spaniards don't have Germanic or Lebanese admixture. Stop spamming your meme chart moron.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        spaniards have central/northern european admixture and west asian admixture

        [...]
        [...]
        None of those are useful comparisons. Germanics are broad central Europeans who share DNA with all Indo-Europeans that expanded in the EBA, this is pre-ethnogenesis of most modern European ethnicites.

        Lebanon is the cum bucket of Greeks, Romans (incl Iberian legions), Crusaders etc. for centuries, of course they have a little Euro DNA in them.

        It is worthless to compare Euclidean distances of non-pure with these groups.

        be quiet moronic italian shitskin

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Explain the absence of Germanic YDNA then

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            already went over this, it's not just "germanics" but various populations from north, central and eastern europe and all of them have ydna in common with iberians since they raped you great great great (x394) grandma, so some of the haplogroups that you think are iberians aren't
            the model tries to capture all of this with a more simplified approach in using a single northern component without massive overfits and works very well

            don't mention this cope ever again

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            1.Bell beaker might have been central european but EEF certainly weren't spaniards, stop those moronic comparison. Spaniards are far closer genetically to Beaker than to EEF.
            2. R1b DF27 is definitely Iberian. J2 and E aren't central europeans.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            lmao, such a clear picture of the situation and yet spaniards still cope

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What exactly am I looking at here

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            visigoths in barcelona and girona were french/austrian/german/belgian/balkan like and weren't pure swedes like iberians try to pretend

            visigothic period iberians from granada were mixed with middle eastern and north african admixture hence why they plot closer to shepardic israelites than to iberians
            modern iberian are the result of re-settlements during the reconquesta, most iberians descend from northern iberian settlers, this diluted the roman era admixture, that is still present tho

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >visigoths in barcelona and girona were french/austrian/german/belgian/balkan like and weren't pure swedes like iberians try to pretend
            So that mean swede goths got cucked by ev13 balkan men since they were paternally from that haplogroup lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            they carried many different haplogroups and descended from many different northern europeans, and that sample has clearly slavic admixture, may be a full northern balkaner or a slavic-balkan mix

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >they carried many different haplogroups and descended from many different northern europeans
            So why are there no northern europeans haplogroup in spain?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I am Spanish and my descendants came from the Balkans, from the Illyrians to be precise. They also spread to central Europe.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >my descendants came from
            How tf you gonna have descendants, homie, if you're a IQfyner (i.e. an incel)?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I meant my ancestors. Im tired.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well, they didn’t have a significant impact on Iberian DNA so I don’t think it matters the ethnicity of Visigoths.
            What about the Suebi and Vandals?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Well, they didn’t have a significant impact on Iberian DNA
            thing that needs to be understood once and for all, singular tribes probably were not very relevant in overturning genetics of local populations in southern europe, we're talking about migrations here, the visigothic conquest opened the doors to northern migrants
            same thing happened in italy and greece

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So what exactly are you saying to the thread’s topic? That the lighter spaniards have more northern european genes?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Vandals = 0
            Suebi some dna in galicia and northern portugal, very little.
            Germanics have more Iberians YDNA than the other way around. Cucked race.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I meant the ethnic composition of Vandals and Suebi themselves. I thought Visigoths were Swedish.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Vandals hard to know but they went to north africa before "settling" in spain
            Suebians I can't find any samples but they were probably similar to modern day Germans

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Germanics have more Iberians YDNA than the other way around
            PAELLA'D

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How come Galicians are one of the furthest Iberian regions away from Germany if they are the only ones with actual Germanic DNA?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            because they also have the most Iberomarusian and their germanic is very small

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What are the numbers, compared to someone in Catalonia for example?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What numbers? for tarofalt/iberomarusian you have it here

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            wait wrong pic
            give me a sec i need to find the original

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What is this? Is it percentage? So Galicians have 4% iberomarusian?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >visigoths in barcelona and girona were french/austrian/german/belgian/balkan like
            Source: my troony ass

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i literally posted a picture showing that

            https://i.imgur.com/I04xBog.png

            already went over this, it's not just "germanics" but various populations from north, central and eastern europe and all of them have ydna in common with iberians since they raped you great great great (x394) grandma, so some of the haplogroups that you think are iberians aren't
            the model tries to capture all of this with a more simplified approach in using a single northern component without massive overfits and works very well

            don't mention this cope ever again

            Vandals = 0
            Suebi some dna in galicia and northern portugal, very little.
            Germanics have more Iberians YDNA than the other way around. Cucked race.

            >Germanics have more Iberians YDNA than the other way around. Cucked race.
            no, those are the ydna of your fathers that raped your entire race in the bronze age hence why you have some, and hence why you shouldn't use exclusively germanic ydna

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no, those are the ydna of your fathers that raped your entire race in the bronze age hence why you have some
            Spaniards are more related to bell beaker than to EEF, why do you keep ignoring that obvious point?
            Also R1b DF27 is markedly Iberians. Literally all the people who have it in high quantity live around the basque country. It's like denying that U106 is Germanic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Spaniards are more related to bell beaker than to EEF, why do you keep ignoring that obvious point?
            because it's a moronic point, you are equidistant at best

            Distance to: Portuguese
            0.08810221 Portugal_LN_C
            0.09569455 France_BellBeaker
            0.10779584 England_BellBeaker
            0.10850601 Scotland_BellBeaker

            >Also R1b DF27 is markedly Iberians. Literally all the people who have it in high quantity live around the basque country. It's like denying that U106 is Germanic.
            iberians got it from northern people during the bronze age, the other way around didn't happen

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What are these cherrypicked samples? And if they're equidistant they would still not be the same.
            >iberians got it from northern people during the bronze age, the other way around didn't happen
            Again your cope come down to fantasy about the bronze age.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Additionally modern Iberians are more similar to bell beaker-like population like the Irish than EEF like population like the Sardinians. You're obviously to force the narrative that Iberians are EEF because it's convenient for you but in reality it doesn't work.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Again your cope come down to fantasy about the bronze age.
            no, it's pretty simple, northern european-like bell beakers from the north gave you your haplogroups, therefore some clades of df27 are still present in northern europe, they're not the result of iberian migrations
            the other way around didn't happen, history isn't some kumbaya we are all equal bs, some people are victors and some others are losers

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >therefore some clades of df27 are still present in northern europe
            It doesn't work that way
            >some people are victors and some others are losers
            Yes, Germanics are clearly losers.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Se estima que se desarrolló hace unos 4.200 años en el noreste de Iberia,1 cuando el Neolítico dio paso a la Edad del Bronce
            https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogrupo_R-DF27
            DF-27 formed around the iberian peninsula and therefore spread from there.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            R-DF27*

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It doesn't work that way
            it works exactly like that, it's very simple
            iberians got their haplogroups from northern europe, some stayed behind

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We're talking about the df27 subclade which was formed in iberia, not R1b as a whole

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it wasn't, the wikipedia page that you showed isn't a study
            all the df27 in northern europe is not from iberians

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            moron, there's a study in the link
            https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-07710-x

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            doesn't say anything like in the wiki

            ancient iberians didn't have df27, they didn't even have p312, it started to appear after the roman empire
            for all we know it could have been carried over by a northern tribe

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it started to appear after the roman empire
            lol.
            we're reaching unbelievable degree of cope
            ok genius explain why it also exist in southern france in proximity to the basque country.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            that's what the data show
            why don't we have a single df27 sample from the bronze and iron age despite having hundreds of samples

            >doesn't say anything like in the wiki
            > NE Iberia is the most likely place of origin of DF27.
            Learn to read moron.

            not based on samples and especially doesn't say what population, only geography
            now we know that catalonia a little after the roman empire was populated by northern admixed people

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >now we know that catalonia a little after the roman empire was populated by northern admixed people
            No it wasn't lol. There was just a Goth buried there. Not a native or a commoner
            Also they mention it was 4200 years ago, again you are illiterate.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Also they mention it was 4200 years ago
            that's talking about the origin of the haplogroup(that coincides with the arrival of the bell beakers), but it was extremely rare in iberia, practically not a single one of the samples from the bronze age or iron age is df27, they don't even belong to p312 for the most part(only a few portugese with p312 have been found), they belong to a completely different clade

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ok so you concede that it originated in Iberia.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn't say anything like in the wiki
            > NE Iberia is the most likely place of origin of DF27.
            Learn to read moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no, those are the ydna of your fathers that raped your entire race in the bronze age hence why you have some, and hence why you shouldn't use exclusively germanic ydna
            In the region where I come from, the Germans were allied with the Spanish and fought Hannibal Barca together.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That’d explain it if people from X region looked like the left and people from Y region looked like the right. You can find these phenotypes anywhere in Iberia.
      Unless you’re saying lighter people inherit more Germanic DNA and darker get more MENA DNA.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Stop spamming this; Spaniards don't have Germanic or Lebanese admixture. Stop spamming your meme chart moron.

      That’d explain it if people from X region looked like the left and people from Y region looked like the right. You can find these phenotypes anywhere in Iberia.
      Unless you’re saying lighter people inherit more Germanic DNA and darker get more MENA DNA.

      None of those are useful comparisons. Germanics are broad central Europeans who share DNA with all Indo-Europeans that expanded in the EBA, this is pre-ethnogenesis of most modern European ethnicites.

      Lebanon is the cum bucket of Greeks, Romans (incl Iberian legions), Crusaders etc. for centuries, of course they have a little Euro DNA in them.

      It is worthless to compare Euclidean distances of non-pure with these groups.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >SAME EXACT ethnicity
    They aren't.

    Race =/= ethnicity. If you don't like race as a useful abstraction then there are also broader definitions of ethnic groupings like European, Indo-European etc. No one has ever said they are the exact same ethnic group though. Just related groups which is true.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes they are. They are all ethnically iberian. What else would they be?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So these two catalans aren't the same ethnicity because they look different? that's moronic, just accept that people can look different while still being part of the same group.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        IQfy is full of morons with a teenager mindset

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    spaniards are mixed

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is it racism?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The image that broke Nord larpers

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >google busquets gitano
    >only results are from forocoches speculating

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Brunettes and olive skin exist in Northern Europe as well, just to lesser percentages.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the Mediterranean phenotype varies greatly

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    interesting fact about df27(R1b1a2a1a2a)
    it doesn't seem to show up in iberia in the bronze and iron age, not even p312(R1b1a2a1a2) except in very few samples, the upstream clade

    ancient iberians seem to have had completely different clades of r1b
    is r1b df27 from the reconquista?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      iberians can't answer this one
      apparently ancient iberians were under r1b1a1a2, instead of r1b1a2a1 like today

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What are you trying ape? Iron Age Iberian were already R1b-df27

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > Iron Age Iberian were already R1b-df27
        no, show me one single sample with df27(R1b1a2a1a2a), at most you'll find a some portugese outliers being p312(R1b1a2a1a2), with 95% of the samples not even falling under p312

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because the climate here is neither north european nor north african.
    My family has that variety. Blue eyed blond people and swarthy people and pale dark haired people.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Because the climate here is neither north european nor north african.
      iberia is different from the rest of europe, even from the rest of southern europe, iberia is strangely arid

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        not true the north of iberia is similar to scandinavia

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          anon lol, there's literally a sort of semi desert in the middle of iberia come on

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >not true the north of iberia is similar to scandinavia
          JUST FRICKING LOL
          why are iberians like this?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          that's very obviously not true, i don't know why iberians say that the north of iberia is extremely cold, it's probably as cold as northern italy at most

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    oh no no no no no ahahahahahah

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes Iberians magically became 70%+ df27 after the roman empire
      moron. You only taught me that the l21 in Spain wasn't due to britonnic migrations as previously thought but is indeed native

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Yes Iberians magically became 70%+ df27 after the roman empire
        show me a single df27 sample from iron or bronze age iberia, i'm still waiting
        even motherfricking p312 was pretty rare

        >You only taught me that the l21
        didn't show anything of that sort, you are moronic
        L21 is R1b1a2a1a2c, which is found only in ancient british samples

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the frisian has now begun to reply to himself

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Genetic drift homie, ytpipo are beautiful

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >itt

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      nobody says antonio banderas is not a ethnic spaniard, take your meds

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        he's in the op and the same is said about other swarthy spaniards

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He is not swarthy

          https://i.imgur.com/8u19bKa.jpeg

          And also people use the worst lighting conditions to show their goal. Antonio Banderas in dark lighting conditions look dark like on the OP image.

          Antonio Banderas without a tan looks like this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Banderas look Iberian, Busquets and Fernandes do not while Cruz has confirmed Gypsy ancestry which do show slightly

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yet OP is not implying the DARK ones aren’t iberian, you made that conclusion yourself.

          Banderas look Iberian, Busquets and Fernandes do not while Cruz has confirmed Gypsy ancestry which do show slightly

          We already went over this, she is not.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >We already went over this, she is not.
            >[Penélope] was the oldest of three siblings… by her grandmother she had Gypsy [Romani] blood… She wanted to became ballerina like her grandmother. And although her family wasn’t rich, the mother decided to invest in the future of her daughter.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Polish website
            >It is not clear if this Romani ancestry has been verified/documented.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It is not clear if this Romani ancestry has been verified/documented.
            Why did you leave this part out from the very text you quoted from? Disingenuous or just dumb?

            Why would it be false? Also it's not a random website but a paper that conducted an interview with her, no reason to believe it's false. Cruz does look like someone part gypsy. Why is it a problem for you?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            1. That’s literally the only place on the entire internet that says she has Romani ancestry
            2. Even if it were true, that was on her grandmother’s side, and we don’t know if said grandma was fully Gypsy
            3. Even if it were true, and she had a Gypsy grandmother, that’d make her 1/4 Gypsy and 3/4 Iberian. So no, that wouldn’t make her a Gypsy, like you claimed
            4. She looks like an average non Gypsy Iberian anyways, so this whole discussion is irrelevant to the thread’s topic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It is not clear if this Romani ancestry has been verified/documented.
            Why did you leave this part out from the very text you quoted from? Disingenuous or just dumb?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Which is funny because most of my ancestry comes from Galicia and I look whiter than any “white” iberian I’ve ever seen.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        do you look like this but aryan?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Lol no. I’m blond and fair skinned with freckles. Some people have said that I look French, English and even Bosnian.
          I’m probably more than 50% from Galicia and North Portugal ethnically, so it surprised me to know that Iberians themselves consider Galicians to be dark. Maybe my Galician ancestors were more lighter looking, I don’t know.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            pvre celtic galician meiga heritage

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Trudeau looking good on the right

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just check the haplogroups you autocoper
    >muh phenotypes

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Either [a.] their not and your lying and/or [b.] Some of these people spend more time in the sun and are thus more tanned then the others.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >their not and your lying
      Just the fact that you think I could be lying tells me you know these people look different enough to not be Iberian.
      >Some of these people spend more time in the sun and are thus more tanned then the others.
      The tan is not the only difference between them. Anybody with a brain can tell.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They are not. Thank God. I wouldn't want to be some nordic b***h boy that is bald by 19 and looks like a shrivelled up prune by 30. Why do nords age so terribly? Is it inferior genetics?

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people who skipped middle school biology class have to flaunt it online?

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