How many of these people did Kissinger actually kill? Seems a bit high, no?

How many of these people did Kissinger actually kill? Seems a bit high, no?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah it's obviously bullshit. They're taking all casualties in Vietnam war and blaming them on him, just for starters.
    The real answer is 0 Kissinger never actually killed anyone as far as I know

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, he didn't personally kill anyone so he is without blame.

      In other news "just following orders" isn't a valid defense, additionally your leaders are completely innocent and you, as the grunt pulling the trigger, deserve all the punishment.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kissinger was simply a conduit for power politics to express itself. Would it have been better to have a bleeding heart liberal in charge? It could well have led to more wars.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ah yes. Reducing all human agency into nothing.
          I also deduce that according to Hegelian Weltgeist, your mother regretted every single day of not aborting you. Just forces of history in process, can't argue with it.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I pretty clearly said "Would it have been better to have a bleeding heart liberal in charge?" Address the counterfactual.
            Kissinger was an IR realist, that's why why he was "a conduit for power politics to express itself." That's what people don't like about Kissinger, not his personal idiosyncrasy.
            The alternative to having an IR realist like Kissinger would be to have a IR liberal, who would then be a conduit for "liberal progress to express itself."
            To what degree individuals have agency rather than being expressions of their ideology is orthogonal to the point. People hate Kissinger for being a realist and wielding his power like a realist.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Though, he did have some interesting idiosyncrasy. Which might go some way towards explaining why there is so much. hate-filled propaganda against him.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is your brain on burgerland ideology.
            Who gives a shit if the prolific planner of war-crimes is "liberal", which Kissinger was, or not.
            His so called realism was also extremely misguided. Creating endless puppet governments is a very bad idea, they are accountable to you, not their people and you just end up with hordes who hate you. Just ask the Soviets.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Who gives a shit if the prolific planner of war-crimes is "liberal", which Kissinger was
            he literally wasn't though. and it makes a big difference whether you're IR-liberal or IR-realist. Vietnam Iraq and Afghanistan were all liberal wars. If there were more people like Kissinger involved, they wouldn't have happened.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're a moron for blaming all of American foreign policy on one man, and in effect absolving others like Reagan, LBJ, various directors of the CIA, etc. of their roles in it as well.

        It's not your fault though. Low IQ people love scapegoats. It's why tribal societies burned effigies and danced around totem poles. It's much easier and more satisfying to blame one individual rather than acknowledge the system as a whole and take personal responsibility as a participant in the democratic process.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you kill one man, you're a murderer.

    If you kill two men, you're a monster.

    If you kill a hundred men, you're a hero.

    If you kill ten thousand men, you are a conquerer.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Obviously bullshit numbers for some of these
    >Indonesians
    Nothing to do with Kissinger, the 1965 purges happened when Kissinger was unwelcome in the LBJ White House
    >3+ Million Vietnamese
    Includes the South Vietnamese that fought against the North, and also the total deaths from a war which started before Kissinger
    >3500+ Syrians 15000+ Egyptians
    Literally military KIA from the Yom Kippur War, a war which Egypt started on their own accord to get Sinai back and which Kissinger acted to keep Israel chilled out and prevent them from using nukes
    >10,000+ Zimbabweans
    Rhodesian War, again, not at all Kissinger or the USA's doing even. The US never recognized the Rhodesian state and those deaths are largely just Rhodesian soldiers versus Chinese and Soviet backed guerillas.
    >Iraqis
    This is beyond incompetence by now, the Iraq War of 2003 happened when Kissinger was a retired old man with no official position to speak of. He also wasn't employed by the State in any relevant capacity in 1991. Maybe they're implying he's responsible for the Iran Iraq war, but that's Saddam Hussein's own idiocy.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >if the US does anything even tangentially related to a time period in which people die, then the US is to blame for every single death within that timespan
    Blaming Cambodia on Kissinger is particularly moronic.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not even the US. Kissinger specifically was responsible for almost every conflict since 1960. If it wasn't for his greed, the world would be at peace.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is your brain on burgerland ideology.
        Who gives a shit if the prolific planner of war-crimes is "liberal", which Kissinger was, or not.
        His so called realism was also extremely misguided. Creating endless puppet governments is a very bad idea, they are accountable to you, not their people and you just end up with hordes who hate you. Just ask the Soviets.

        Vietnam war started without anything to do with Kissinger. JFK and his admin oversaw the coup in South Vietnam, LBJ started the war.

        The Nixon admin and Kissinger bombed bases in “muh neutral Cambodia” Bases that Cambodia allowed the Communist to build and launch attacks from. That’s it.

        Blaming this all on Kissinger or saying this was some super evil move are both moronic takes.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >40,000 Chileans
    I assume they're saying he's to blame for Pinochet, which isn't true for one, but even then the most liberal estimates of Pinochet's victims put it at 3,000 tops.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      same with Argentina, 8.000 at best
      leftards add the numbers of killed during the peronist civil war before the coup

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    YEAH KILL´EM

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    He personally killed all of them, mainstream media won't let you know this but he actually has super speed and can fly around like superman

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