How persecuted have homosexuals really been historically speaking?

How persecuted have homosexuals really been historically speaking? I know the Bible says that they should be killed but it's unclear how often that sentence was actually carried out in Israel/Judah. More importantly though, has it been heavily persecuted in Christian Europe or will I be safe to live openly over the next say 50 years?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pre-christianity homosexuality was just seen as sexual deviance, not somehing people were outright prosecued for, but also something people believed should stay in the bedroom and not out in public. After he Abrahamic plague though, Europeans became increasingly paranoid about gays, but it somewhat came in waves, people began to take a more liberal approach o homosexuality starting around he Enlightenment to Victorian era where there were many instances of people protesing anti-buggering laws.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      So since the "enlightenment" it's been safe to be gay in the west? Legally speaking?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Depends on where you are. Homoesxualiy was largely decriminalized in many parts of the western world by the late Victorian era, but decriminalized didn't necessarily mean accepted, gays would not be allowes marriage in much of the western world until the 21st century for example.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >not somehing people were outright prosecued for
      Lol. Buggery in the legions was an instant death penalty.
      >but also something people believed should stay in the bedroom and not out in public
      Not sure why you think you can just apply this modern, liberal attitude to the past without anyone calling it out. In Athens sexual depravity in all its forms was very much seen as society's business.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Naw, there were many insances of homosexuality and general sexual deviancy throughout the Roman Republic and Roman Empire. They weren't really any more or less sexually devian then people are today, because people don't change.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          A great deal has changed. In the past deviant behavior was mostly confined to the elites, the Romans even called such practices "urbanitas" for such reasons. Rural people and people in simpler societies generally don't engage in it because they have a greater need for traditional marital relationships, it's only when people are afforded lots of leisure time that it starts to become a serious issue. But even at its most dissolute, sodomy was never seen as a secular sacrament in Rome like it is in the modern West.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Absolutely nonesense. Brothels in ancient rome were certainly not exclusive to the "elites". In fac we have plenty of evidence many social classes engaged in degeneracy, such as Graffiti in Pompeii for example. You seem to struggle to understand that Christianiy had largely damaged sexual discourse in the western world for centuries

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Any soldier in the legions could purchase a prostitute, but I doubt the vast majority of the men in the Empire even saw one, or much outside of their village. A teenage Augustus was praised for abstaining from sex for a whole year even though every well-to-do Roman was doing it at a young age, and later he of course encouraged more traditional relations as princeps despite being a philanderer himself. The Romans had a view of sexual ethics that was perfectly compatible with Christianity even if they, like many Christians, frequently failed to live up to them. Just because something happened doesn't mean anyone of good standing would publicly argue that it was ethical, it was something done quietly.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            The point is that it still happened, and many people partook in such camaraderie. Sexual immagery was a thing in ancient Rome, and so were sex toys like dildos. We know these things existed, nobody is pretending like everyone was open about it or were never called out for it, but to pretend like it never happened is ridiculous

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't disagree with anything you wrote. But on the spectrum of chud paradise to liberal lgbt utopia, Roman society as a whole was definitely much closer to a chud paradise, and Christianity didn't introduce anything novel with regards to sexual ethics, it merely repeated the old views more forcefully.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I doubt the vast majority of the men in the Empire even saw one,
            At some point you need to think before posting anon

            I don't disagree with anything you wrote. But on the spectrum of chud paradise to liberal lgbt utopia, Roman society as a whole was definitely much closer to a chud paradise, and Christianity didn't introduce anything novel with regards to sexual ethics, it merely repeated the old views more forcefully.

            The whole approachel here is wrong, youbcant apply modern liberal/conservative dichotomy to ancient people with completely different set of values.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Rural people and people in simpler societies generally don't engage in it
            ah yes let's look at the primitive inbred child molesters and sheepfrickers' sexual mores

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >omg rednecks be killing the gays 🙁
            >lol rural sheepfrickers

            oh what a fantasy world you live in

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You've never lived among rural people you self hating urban libtard. I can tell you for a fact that puritainism that exists in places like rural America is an ego facade. In reality, people in rural areas have their sexuality suppressed and they tend to be way more decadent in terms of what they're really into compared to urbanities. Furries are way more common in flyover places for this reason.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I agree that the modern West is an aberration, that was my entire point. The differences between the "elites" and rustics have become so blurred now that the only difference between the two is that the former have tackier McMansions. They wear the same plastic clothes, eat the same overprocessed slop, and are ultimately identical on a psychological level. Gone are the days when a nobleman would be immediately recognized by his manner of walking alone, or his speech.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The attitudes were obviously more varied of this wouldn't have existed
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          sacred band being gay is just athenian slander

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      germanic barbarians threw queers in the bog mate

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you don't trust people to decide who they should have sex with then you have a trust problem

    Do you believe something went wrong with their lives and can't decide by themselves what they like and don't

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Beautiful pic. How can homosexual love be so pure?

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Homosexuality was only oppressed under Abrahamic "faiths" because Abrahamism is a scourge upon natural human relations of all sorts. We can thank Abrahamism for the downfall of monarchy and aristocracy. We can thank Abrahamism for feminism. We can thank Abrahamism for BLM. We can thank Abrahamism for homophobia. Abrahamism has been the downfall of the human race.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I agree, except that homophobia is almost universal in all cultures.
      Sure it existed, and it may not have carried the death sentence, but those who engaged in it were never idealized/accepted as normal.

      Like rapists during war, teachers who were also groomers, shamans or similar religious weirdos.

      This is all of homosexual history.

      Plus you had artists here and there, but this has been overstated massively in recent decades.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ah yes, le based ass fricking.

      Least obvious israelite

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        israelite religion is the reason European pagans stopped fricking each other in the ass, thougheverbeit

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          not even remotely true

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even during the medieval era in western europe executions over homosexuality were rare because who would enforce such capital punishment? The feudal authorities could not be arsed to go around killing people. This is why the Inquisition was made as a more effective tool in rooting out heresy and "deviance". But homosexuality did exist in the form of illicit relationships and were kept hidden especialy in the ranks of the nobility.

    You have some high profile homosexual cases like Piers Gaveston, 1st Earl of Cornwall being executed, but that was more because he was declared an outlaw and were more political because of the favors showered unto him rather than purely for the homosexual relations he had with Edward II.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I agree, except that homophobia is almost universal in all cultures.
    >Sure it existed, and it may not have carried the death sentence, but those who engaged in it were never idealized/accepted as normal.

    >Like rapists during war, teachers who were also groomers, shamans or similar religious weirdos.

    >This is all of homosexual history.

    >Plus you had artists here and there, but this has been overstated massively in recent decades.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >seethes
      >I'll show him
      >there you go
      >what's he gonna do now
      >ha... humiliated by a funny meme
      >oh gawd I feel so intellectual
      >hope mommy has my chicken tendies ready soon

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it's unclear how often that sentence was actually carried out in Israel/Judah.
    So i looked into similar things and while i dont have a clear answer for you i dont have this

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Judaism

    Can't find the specific link, but that mentions it. A court was considered bloodthirsty if it had a death penalty more than once every 70 years.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Depends very much on a country. England, Netherlands, Spain and Italian city-states were very homophobic and executed gays en masse. France actually did not care much but it was still straight (hehe) way to the burning stake. Germans, Scandis and West Slavs considered it abominable but did not give a lot of shit (hehe). It was rarely prosecuted you had much worse luck if you were caught fricking a cow or sheep. Poland executed only few homosexuals just like Sweden and Prussia but these countries were exception to the rule as they actually executed more lesbians than gays. If you want a rule, the more urban it was, the more it was easy to get killed for gay sex

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    why can't chuddies just accept that homosexuality is natural and beautitul

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      So is rape.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    PP go in da PooPoo hole.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Im extremely gay

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Me too sis

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