I am convinced Prussia was the peak of humanity in terms of tradition, respect and discipline.

I am convinced Prussia was the peak of humanity in terms of tradition, respect and discipline. This is not a thread about its territorial ambitions or war, but its culture. I believe that the European mind and spirit reached its peak here

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bavarians are cooler.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous
  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why? Any reasons behind your autism?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The rigid and enforced cultural norms, combined with the peripheral nature of their existence aswell as mixed ancestry. History of ethnic life or death conflict with neighbours. Permanent political right wingness. It bred a people of stalwarts, with a grim yet positive outlook on life. Kino. Like this is what I imagine a frontier people were like. That constant sense of ethnic reality. Struggle. Realism.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Americans are so fricked up lol

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm European.

          Bavarians are cooler.

          Original Prussians were more interesting than these germ colonizers.

          Contrarianism is epic isn't it?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            A real European would have said Swiss, Hungarian, or Danish. Broadly calling people “European” is an American thing.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Contrarianism is epic isn't it?
            Nothing contrarian about it. Nobody likes autists.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >replacing germans with turk and Black person muslim theocrats is bad
            >genociding native baltic prussians and settlung german catholic theocrats who took their name for some reason is good
            There were more crusades fought against lithuania from your ~~*prussians*~~ than all muslims combined

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        What historical sources have you read that captured you? - Or what specific events make you feel this? Could you give us any meaningful quotes?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        There is more to prussian culture than "tradition, respect and discipline" (which are also not uniquely prussian values) like the relative liberal attitude of many of its great kings towards religious minorites (the successful emanciaption of the huguenots and later on the israelites comes to mind) and the succesfull industralization (especially regarding the textile sector) of its territory in the 17th and 18th centuries.

        >rigid and enforced cultural norms
        >Permanent political right wingness
        Those hold true for every state in the 19th century and earlier (hell even the early and middle of the 20th century are more "right wing" than the present).
        >History of ethnic life or death conflict with neighbours.
        Not really. Even during the most disastrous times of the Seven Years War nothing indicates that the Kingdom of Prussia would be wiped off the map. And there weren't any "ethnic replacement conflicts" with other powers.

        >Forever ruined Germans by giving them the "hypermilitarized law-stickler" stereotype

        And even the real background for that stereotype only came about in the latter part of the 19th century.

        I'm not OP. I see I struck a nerve by aptly identifying your arrested development.
        dont worry anon, rules cant hurt you.
        [...]
        Pursuit of German speaking independence from the world market via the Zollverein.

        I mean, if you criticize Prussia, youd have to criticize America as well.
        It would be like saying "Industrialization does not work because Germany industrialized then lost 2 wars, Russia industrialized and lost the cold war, Japan industrialized and lost WWII"

        Its not industrialization at fault here, just like its not the Prussians unifying Germany or seeking German independence.
        Independence is a good thing, for the common commercial leagues to be free from foreign imposition.
        America is a testament to this.

        >but they lost
        your inability to grasp the big picture is staggering

        The Deutscher Zollverein was not about independence from the world market but aimed at removing the various custom borders within the German Confederation (without being a part of it), which would stimulate internal economic growth. As the Kingdom of Prussia was the largest and economically most influential member, it also resulted in an expansion of prussian soft power over the other german states.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The Deutscher Zollverein was not about independence from the world market but aimed at removing the various custom borders within the German Confederation (without being a part of it), which would stimulate internal economic growth. As the Kingdom of Prussia was the largest and economically most influential member, it also resulted in an expansion of prussian soft power over the other german states.
          the aim of the Zoollverein is irrelevant, just as America did not set out to become a global hegemon, it was a byproduct of economic independence by having multiple states working together with economic harmony as the primary goal.
          both Germany and America rose from agrarian states into world powers via American economics.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            But neither the North German Confederation nor the German Empire sought to decouple themselves from the world market. If anything the Zollverein made for an easier integration in the global economy.

            17th and 18th centuries? You mean 18th and 19th right?

            No, I mean the rconomic efforts undertaken by Frederick William of Brandenburg-Prussia. While not industrialization in the modern sense of the word, the establishment of a myriad of diverse, but relatively small scale, manufacturies under his rule lead to a solid economic ground-network, which was subsequently expanded over the centuries.

            People are obsessed with Prussians because of their military, that's about it and all that you can say about them. Most people seem to forget there were actually other Germans in history other than Prussians. It's annoying how overhyped they are.

            Repetitive memes about le ebin prvssian militarism have done the rest.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          17th and 18th centuries? You mean 18th and 19th right?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why did they lose the culture war? How can rightists win the culture war in the future and create a lasting government that maximally saves future souls?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Americans are so fricked up lol

      >Forever ruined Germans by giving them the "hypermilitarized law-stickler" stereotype

      A real European would have said Swiss, Hungarian, or Danish. Broadly calling people “European” is an American thing.

      More like Prussia was the peak of the beginning of the fall of europe

      >Contrarianism is epic isn't it?
      Nothing contrarian about it. Nobody likes autists.

      So what exactly is your problem? Prussia has rules and this is too different from your absentee parents so they bad?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're grasping. Why? My family is fine. I just think Bavarians (and Austrians, for that matter) are more fun and funny.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          nobody asked.

          Prussia is the equivalent of that smart sperg in your classroom a majority ends up ganging upon eventually for being an autist and constantly trying to rile up everyone else in their moronic attempt to fit in.
          It's ironic that the good stereotype about Germans ( lederhosen/bratwurst/beer/etc ) came from South Germany while Prussia became the embodiment of what a German shouldn't be

          >analogy from an emotionally stunted juvenile
          dont worry, youll grow up one day

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Prussian autism ruined Germany twice. I'm really sorry that your unironic mental moronation couldn't see it ;_;

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Prussian
            Austrians aren't Prussian

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >badly influenced by Prussian autism that he thinks starting another war would bring Germany back

            >Germany was ruined because
            because???
            You say twice, this makes me think WWI/II, but you are obviously unread otherwise you'd know it wasnt Prussians it was Americans, and they didnt ruin Germany, they gave Germany a special path to independence on the world stage.
            The British literally said about Bismarck and Hitler they'd have an economic revolt on the mainland from "George Washington types" emerging.
            >Hamilton > Carey > List > Bismarck > Schact > Hitler

            How about you come when you have read more than a textbook written 60 years ago?
            [...]
            couldnt be me

            I'm really sorry for your mental moronation anon. But it's ok. You just need to go outside and frick some pussy

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >this much damage control

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Prussia doesn't exist anymore my moronic friend. Time to move on

            I'm not OP. I see I struck a nerve by aptly identifying your arrested development.
            dont worry anon, rules cant hurt you.
            [...]
            Pursuit of German speaking independence from the world market via the Zollverein.

            I mean, if you criticize Prussia, youd have to criticize America as well.
            It would be like saying "Industrialization does not work because Germany industrialized then lost 2 wars, Russia industrialized and lost the cold war, Japan industrialized and lost WWII"

            Its not industrialization at fault here, just like its not the Prussians unifying Germany or seeking German independence.
            Independence is a good thing, for the common commercial leagues to be free from foreign imposition.
            America is a testament to this.

            >but they lost
            your inability to grasp the big picture is staggering

            Lmao suck a dick homie. Muh customs union doesn't mean frick all when your ideology ends up dragging Germany into two world wars

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Germany was ruined because
            because???
            You say twice, this makes me think WWI/II, but you are obviously unread otherwise you'd know it wasnt Prussians it was Americans, and they didnt ruin Germany, they gave Germany a special path to independence on the world stage.
            The British literally said about Bismarck and Hitler they'd have an economic revolt on the mainland from "George Washington types" emerging.
            >Hamilton > Carey > List > Bismarck > Schact > Hitler

            How about you come when you have read more than a textbook written 60 years ago?

            >nobody asked.
            Literally ended the post with a question mark.

            couldnt be me

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >nobody asked.
            Literally ended the post with a question mark.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Goddamn you're a butthurt moron. Was to be expected of someone who worships Prussia for some reason.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not OP. I see I struck a nerve by aptly identifying your arrested development.
            dont worry anon, rules cant hurt you.

            Ok. Prove it. Give examples beyond just le soldiers marched in lines

            Pursuit of German speaking independence from the world market via the Zollverein.

            I mean, if you criticize Prussia, youd have to criticize America as well.
            It would be like saying "Industrialization does not work because Germany industrialized then lost 2 wars, Russia industrialized and lost the cold war, Japan industrialized and lost WWII"

            Its not industrialization at fault here, just like its not the Prussians unifying Germany or seeking German independence.
            Independence is a good thing, for the common commercial leagues to be free from foreign imposition.
            America is a testament to this.

            >but they lost
            your inability to grasp the big picture is staggering

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm not OP. I see I struck a nerve by aptly identifying your arrested development.
            And I'm not that guy either. I just saw your moronic post.
            Somehow Prussia attracts edgy autism. It's cooler and less mainstream than just saying "I love nazis".

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >edgy
            >autism
            >nazis
            touch grass

            Prussia doesn't exist anymore my moronic friend. Time to move on
            [...]
            Lmao suck a dick homie. Muh customs union doesn't mean frick all when your ideology ends up dragging Germany into two world wars

            israelitetroon meltdown.
            Prussia was based, redpilled, and a spiritual successor to Sparta.
            You just dislike them because you are flabby mentally and physically.
            post physique.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Its not industrialization at fault here, just like its not the Prussians unifying Germany or seeking German independence.
            I wouldn't say that either. Some of Germany's most respected industrial companies weren't Prussian. BMW, Audi, Bosch, for example. Germans can make cool shit without the autism.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Prussia is the equivalent of that smart sperg in your classroom a majority ends up ganging upon eventually for being an autist and constantly trying to rile up everyone else in their moronic attempt to fit in.
        It's ironic that the good stereotype about Germans ( lederhosen/bratwurst/beer/etc ) came from South Germany while Prussia became the embodiment of what a German shouldn't be

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Original Prussians were more interesting than these germ colonizers.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      They are the same genetic stock. The original Germanics were cooler too before being Christianised. Balts were just late to the Christianisation train.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Forever ruined Germans by giving them the "hypermilitarized law-stickler" stereotype

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    More like Prussia was the peak of the beginning of the fall of europe

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, everything that made old European culture bad was brought to the forefront in Prussian culture. Their influence was widely seen throughout the developed and developing world, in particular Russia which abandoned the path influenced by the liberal British in favor of reactionary Prussian. Stopping it’s popular path of industrialization by the commons, in favor of the a new old guard of the nobility. But that only served to tear the country in multiple factions that led to their massive civil war.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        When were the russians significantly influenced by the brits?

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Prussia ruined Germany. When people think of Germany they no longer think of rich cultural cities such as Cologne, Nuremberg, or Vienna. They now think of fricking Berlin. Imagine if some shitty village became the capital of France. That’s the equivalent.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ok. Prove it. Give examples beyond just le soldiers marched in lines

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Agreed. Though I'd like to expand this a little. As I tend to like Eastern Europe in general. Poland and Russia mostly. Unfortunately Germany and Russia died in the Great War, and Poland has only just gotten back on it's feet.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Prussian military prowess is overrated as shit.
    >BTFO during the Silesian wars. Only victorious because of diplomatic luck and betraying their allies.
    >Utterly buck broken and humiliated by Napoleon. Only came out on top because the Congress of Vienna was biased towards them.
    >United Germany because of Bismarck’s political maneuvering making sure they only fought one enemy at a time not because their armies were le strong
    >Germans moronicly this was all accomplished because they were ubersoldaten and start two world wars which ends up apocalyptically annihilating Prussia.

    Historically, France is actually what Prussia claimed to be. Prussia’s strength was not its military, it was just actually pure luck and the fact that they owned the Ruhr Valley during the Industrial Revolution. Honestly, they probably could have had a pretty rich and industrious country if they didn’t decide to ape out.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      France mogged the shit out of every other European attempt at civilization until the Brits came along, and even then France enjoyed continued power near the top while other countries rose and fell into obscurity

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Spengler and Hegel agreed on that

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >annihilated old (Baltic) Prussians for le Jesus
    >stole Prussian identity
    >lost to Poland twice
    >converted to protestantism
    >started both world wars and lost
    literally Black folk of Europe, disgrace for German people

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, we entered the bad timeline when Austria lost the Austro-Prussian War

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Royal Prussia was best Prussia.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Correct.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Prussian culture die out?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It didn't. It's become standard in professional society. It's like saying English culture died out but everyone speaks English, wears English clothing, and English liberalism is an assumed political position.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    People are obsessed with Prussians because of their military, that's about it and all that you can say about them. Most people seem to forget there were actually other Germans in history other than Prussians. It's annoying how overhyped they are.

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