I am willing to risk sounding like a retard asking this question because I'm genuinely curious:

I am willing to risk sounding like a moron asking this question because I'm genuinely curious:

What happened to sound cards?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they're just incorporated into mobos now
    they still exist but .01 percent of population has a need for them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they're just incorporated into mobos now
      >now
      Mobos with integrated sound cards have existed since the early 1990s.
      Audio quality in these early models was shit for anything more than basic office use, and the added CPU overhead in 80486s and early Pentiums (since they relied on the CPU for audio processing) made them unusable for gaming.
      However the quality of integrated mobo audio kept improving and CPUs became more powerful. By the mid 2000s, integrated audio became "good enough" in high end motherboards paired to high end CPUs, that only audiophiles and competitive esport gamers where every single fps and latency matters needed them (there was also Soundstorm in Nvidia chipsets of the time, hardware-accelerated motherboard audio). In the early 2010s, this "good enough" had already moved to midrange motherboards paired to midrange CPUs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fpbp
      Also third post
      Second post was OK too

      DSP processing for 3D audio with CD quality became trivial for CPU to handle. You no longer needed dedicated hardware. The shielding on most motherboards became good for the vast majority of people and speaker/headphone setups. The only reason to get a audio card is for extra ports/inputs.

      Maybe I’ve had too many shitty windows computers but Macs are the only ones that get this right consistently

      made obsolete by picrel

      I bought one of those frickers and it didn’t work with my headphones
      I took it back to the apple store and after a lot of testing it both in iPads and my iPhone and actual Macs and testing my headphones in the 3.5mm jack, the guy determined that my headphones were to blame
      So I plug my headphones into their USB-A thing and then use an A-to-C adapter when I want to listen to my iPad or whatever in puffy headphones every other year or so

      It is enough to listen to, but nowhere near enough if you want to use it for music production

      this
      monty of ogg vorbis and opus fame says this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're unnecessary unless you're one of those audiophile schizos. The sound card is integrated with the mobo these days.

      >these days
      >now
      Lol.

      Has been true for 3 decades now, same reason people still bought sound cards though then, they do now, integrated ones are usually bare minimum, aka shit.
      Hence why external ones are so popular.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Hence why external ones are so popular.
        They are a tiny niche and are mostly used by HTPC types for extra ports and connectors for their home theater setup.
        The vast majority of PC audio concerns are handled by integrated, internal DACs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not talking about the average user or the Apple gay.
          Anyone more tech savvy has a sound card, be it external or internal.

          >mostly used by HTPC types
          Hugely overweight by "gamers" and streamers in use case.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Anyone more tech savvy has a sound card, be it external or internal.
            Wrong, kiddo. Only two groups get audio internal cards these days, audiophiles and sound engineers
            >Hugely overweight by "gamers" and streamers
            The vast majority of streamers and gaymers use the same internal DAC on their motherboard. A tiny minority may opt for an external DAC for easier audio feed control not for fidelity.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >A tiny minority may opt for an external DAC for easier audio feed control not for fidelity.
            How are you so out of touch with reality? Just look at peoples setups.

            I never said majority of all people who use computers use external or internal sound cards, just that a lot do though. That was pretty clear in my post if you ask me.
            >I'm not talking about the average user or the Apple gay.

            >The vast majority of streamers and gaymers
            The argument was HTPC users VS streamers/gaymers.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >How are you so out of touch with reality? Just look at peoples setups.
            No, kiddo you are the one is out of touch. The vast majority of streamers (1view/2view etc) are using whatever comes with their computer/laptop.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Kiddo isn't an argument and no.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well here, I'll play, "kiddo".

            Can you post anything that proves that there's more HTPC users than gaymers and streamers that use sound cards / DACs?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They're unnecessary unless you're one of those audiophile schizos. The sound card is integrated with the mobo these days.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "Good enough" sound cards became integrated into the motherboard.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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  4. 1 month ago
    xX_N1GG3RSL4Y3R69_Xx

    motherboards got integrated sound cards
    people get DACs now

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. I have multiple ways to enjoy great digital sound.

      Mobo output to optical audio to a Turtle Beach DSS Earforce for Dolby Digital Headphone. Also to JDS Labs DAC and headphone Amp.

      If I ever move the frick out of this shitty apartment and its thin ass walls, then I can easily afford a Dolby Surround Receiver and output to HDMI.

      A sound card is pointless. Optical audio comes equipped in any good mobo and HDMI output to a receiver is a thing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what do you think a DAC is? or vice versa

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    DSP processing for 3D audio with CD quality became trivial for CPU to handle. You no longer needed dedicated hardware. The shielding on most motherboards became good for the vast majority of people and speaker/headphone setups. The only reason to get a audio card is for extra ports/inputs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      onboard dacs were born that contained entire card into a tiny chip. apparently 44.1khz @ 16-bit was good enough for most people, even though some of those chips can do much better than this.

      >DSP processing for 3D audio with CD quality became trivial for CPU to handle
      dsp processing for everything else such as synthesis, effects and other shit is very expensive on cpu time. vst plugins seem to be getting more cpu intensive as time marches on. probably time someone comes along that develops a card and software to offload most of the work to powerful DSPs. i never thought i would hit a limit of how many plugins i could load on a 5ghz machine with 32gb ram but here we are.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >apparently 44.1khz @ 16-bit was good enough for most people
        It's enough for every single human on earth, nobody needs more than 96+ dB of dynamic range and no human being on earth can hear above 20 khz (so 40 khz sample rate)
        anybody that tells you otherwise is a moronic audiophile that doesn't understand anything about how digital audio works

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ^^^^
          This
          FIFY > moronic audiophile that doesn't understand anything about how hearing and sound works
          moron audiophiles are just coping for the loss of learning range from age and abuse. Notice how they are almost always compromised of people in middle and advanced age? Not a coincidence.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It is enough to listen to, but nowhere near enough if you want to use it for music production

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >dsp processing for everything else such as synthesis, effects and other shit is very expensive on cpu time.
        Nah, it is cheap as hell if you aren't concerned about maintaining ultra-portable-tier power consumption. We aren't running dual-core and quad-core desktop CPUs at 2-3Ghz anymore.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          DSP processing was already cheap af for 2GHz dual-core CPUs, and at their time discrete sound cards didn't make sense anymore performance-wise, unless you were an esports-tier competitive gamer.
          Audio processing was relatively expensive in CPU cycles until around the Pentium II / K6-3 era, but since early Athlons / P3 it became fairly cheap.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >dsp processing for everything else such as synthesis, effects and other shit is very expensive on cpu time
        Only because everything is designed to be as accurate as possible and the sheer amount of VSTs people run nowadays.

        With games and such you're just trying to place samples in an environment and model where exactly a sound is relative to the player, you're not trying to physically model 10 different instruments and laying on top a literal chain of effects.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. I have a sound blaster Z for the optic out and the sound quality is noticeably better. The settings in the app are good too. Worth $100.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For the most part they were included on the motherboards and the processing that was handled by their onboard chips is now done on the CPU because we have plenty of performance available there.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    made obsolete by picrel

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Normalgays fell for the USB DAC meme.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tech advanced, digital audio didn’t. At least not on a consumer tier. Fancy high tier DSD and all that still needs special hardware but regular old cd quality audio or lower was perfectly fine on integrated audio chips by about 15 years ago.
    For people who wanted more or needed the other features sound cards offered, they could still get sound cards and you still can today, internal or external.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    MS killed he accelerated sound with Vista.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    motherboards need integrated soundcards in order for intelME/PSP/TrustZone to access it's capabilities via upnp drivers and create radio signals

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't even have high quality headphones why would I need a dedicated sound card

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing. They just got moved outside the case. They call them dacs now.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why can't you put a DAC inside of your case?

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Still around but in a different form.
    Surround sound adapters, DSPs, etc.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Windows Vista happened. We had hardware accelerated sound in Windows XP era. EAX, 3D sound and shiet. Even NVIDIA had their own sound card and it kicked ass in 3D Mark 2001. Back in the days, I had a Athlon XP and Nvidia SoundStorm. In sound tests it beat the living shit from Athlon 64 systems using standard Realtek stuff. But then Microsoft killed it, and sound stagnation started and it continues till this very day.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      MS killed he accelerated sound with Vista.

      I keep hating that this meme getting repeated. NT 6.x did nothing but moved with the times. It drop a ton of old x86 ISA legacy garbage that only Windows/DOS ecosystem used. Sorry, that EAX and A3D hardware DSP depended on old x86 ISA. Creative did offer a software outing but it was paywalled.
      What really killed hardware DSP in computers is that mainstream CPU simply become powerful and multi-core. The overhead for software DSP became trivial. It the same story what happened to most hardware-based HBA.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >What really killed hardware DSP in computers is that mainstream CPU simply become powerful and multi-core
        The timegap between Vista killing hardware EAX and CPUs getting fast enough to do equivalent tricks in software is a hell of a lot longer than you think.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Vista didn't even kill hardware accelerated audio, MS just changed the API but Creative was too lazy to adopt properly. Creative did have a few hardware accelerated audio APIs for Vista+ though but dropped them too.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Mouth-breathing brainlet, it is because NT 6.x moved away from old x86 ISA garbage that your hardware DSP depended on to work. This impacted far more than your old-flagged hardware DSP. A good number of legacy hardware no longer was supported. It never got used out of the Windows 9x/DOS ecosystem (a.k.a *nix-gays never had it).
          There was a software outing (ALChemy) though but Creative paywalled it.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    sounds cards exist still pretty sure high production studios and shit use them

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They got better and smaller. Now they're standard on mobos.
    Not all are made equal but even medium quality modern ones beat the shit out of cards from back then.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing?
    You can still buy internal sound cards.

    External ones are just more popular.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you're pushing bits out a digital port, what's the utility of a card?

    Plain old headphone jacks are the only analog port devices have anymore and for the most part the value there is because analog audio is the only signal that will just work forever, unlike analog video for example

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