I do not resent the Chinese, so no shade meant on them. Why didn't we just nuke China when we had the chance?

I do not resent the Chinese, so no shade meant on them. Why didn't we just nuke China when we had the chance? We nuked Japan and any equivalent retaliation from them still hasn't surfaced, though they most certainly could have schemed. If we had nuked China, then as with Japan, participated in an effective reconstruction to quell the desire for revenge, the world would have experienced a longer period of Pax Americana, for better or worse.

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Soviets would have nuked the US in retaliation

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      for one Japan just barely capitulated with two nukes after years of total war, in koreas case it was pretty much a limited conflict meaning that nuking them would just massively escalate the war, then you have to worry about the Soviets then getting involved who also had nukes by that point, then you have the other long term problem of nukes being used in any sort of conflict leading to even more states clammering to get nukes which presents numerous forgein policy issues

      The tables turned today. We see Russia getting attritioned by the day, while China laughs. I don't think nuking China would have automatically made the Soviets nuke America, or even for Cuba, but it would be something for the Soviets to note when dealing directly with them.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    for one Japan just barely capitulated with two nukes after years of total war, in koreas case it was pretty much a limited conflict meaning that nuking them would just massively escalate the war, then you have to worry about the Soviets then getting involved who also had nukes by that point, then you have the other long term problem of nukes being used in any sort of conflict leading to even more states clammering to get nukes which presents numerous forgein policy issues

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Better question would be why didn't we invade the Soviet Union immediately after WWII ended?

    • 4 months ago
      Radiochan

      Because Europe was exhausted by war and as it turns out America is not the MC of the world.

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      I do not resent the Chinese, so no shade meant on them. Why didn't we just nuke China when we had the chance? We nuked Japan and any equivalent retaliation from them still hasn't surfaced, though they most certainly could have schemed. If we had nuked China, then as with Japan, participated in an effective reconstruction to quell the desire for revenge, the world would have experienced a longer period of Pax Americana, for better or worse.

      Because as was stated the USSR would have nuked the USA in retaliation, or at least American positions in Korea and Japan.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Because as was stated the USSR would have nuked the USA in retaliation, or at least American positions in Korea and Japan.
        Why would they have? It would have guaranteed Chinese subservience to them and reduced China to a long-term vassal state.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          To rephrase, it would let the Americans do their wish, and make Russia the Britain of the British Raj.

        • 4 months ago
          Radiochan

          The rule of escalation. The USSR had nuclear bombs by the Korean War.
          Better yet, why would China be worth causing a full blown nuclear war over?

          >fighting a land war in Asia
          I'm sure that worked out well for the Japanese.

          [...]
          [...]
          In addition it's pretty obvious Russia wouldn't nuke America because it would be suicide for them. Mid-20th C China wasn't worth it.

          Same applies; the USA didn't nuke China because it would have been suicide for them - certainly suicide for Western Europe, which was much closer.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Same applies; the USA didn't nuke China because it would have been suicide for them - certainly suicide for Western Europe, which was much closer.
            No it wouldn't have. The Chinese were a different race, and a more acceptable target. The Soviets would have been baffled by it, but the move would not have guaranteed further war.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The Soviets would have been baffled by it, but the move would not have guaranteed further war.
            delusional
            you think the soviets would watch as america attacked their biggest and most powerful ally with nukes and done nothing?
            of course the 50s era nukes dropped from planes wouldn't even come close to finishing china off, but america would be left with few nukes remaining and a soviet union that now has a very good excuse to launch them

          • 4 months ago
            Radiochan

            Based on what? The Soviets were already backing the North Koreans; if the Chinese were nuked that would have made everything worse.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because big powers don't waste their arsenal on proxies, unless they have something big to gain. They would only have done it if they were convinced they had nothing to lose.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            would otherwise*

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Because as was stated the USSR would have nuked the USA in retaliation, or at least American positions in Korea and Japan.
        Why would they have? It would have guaranteed Chinese subservience to them and reduced China to a long-term vassal state.

        To rephrase, it would let the Americans do their wish, and make Russia the Britain of the British Raj.

        In addition it's pretty obvious Russia wouldn't nuke America because it would be suicide for them. Mid-20th C China wasn't worth it.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The rule of escalation. The USSR had nuclear bombs by the Korean War.
          Better yet, why would China be worth causing a full blown nuclear war over?

          >fighting a land war in Asia
          I'm sure that worked out well for the Japanese.
          [...]
          Same applies; the USA didn't nuke China because it would have been suicide for them - certainly suicide for Western Europe, which was much closer.

          >Why didn't we just nuke China when we had the chance?
          for what purpose?
          if you're talking about the korean war, america had only a few dozen nukes and china was a mostly agrarian nation with not much industry. detonating even 20 nukes in china in 1950 would've done very little, as there were few big populated urban centers.
          apart from the korean war I can't imagine any other time the usa would've had the need to launch nuclear weapons at china.

          >Same applies; the USA didn't nuke China because it would have been suicide for them - certainly suicide for Western Europe, which was much closer.
          No it wouldn't have. The Chinese were a different race, and a more acceptable target. The Soviets would have been baffled by it, but the move would not have guaranteed further war.

          >The Soviets would have been baffled by it, but the move would not have guaranteed further war.
          delusional
          you think the soviets would watch as america attacked their biggest and most powerful ally with nukes and done nothing?
          of course the 50s era nukes dropped from planes wouldn't even come close to finishing china off, but america would be left with few nukes remaining and a soviet union that now has a very good excuse to launch them

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      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The rule of escalation. The USSR had nuclear bombs by the Korean War.
        Better yet, why would China be worth causing a full blown nuclear war over?

        >fighting a land war in Asia
        I'm sure that worked out well for the Japanese.
        [...]
        Same applies; the USA didn't nuke China because it would have been suicide for them - certainly suicide for Western Europe, which was much closer.

        The soviets had like 2 nooks at the time. They wouldn't have retaliated but it would have set a bad precedent. Soviets might end up nooking czechoslovakia or hungary or poland during their IRL attempts to throw off the soviet yoke

        Based on what? The Soviets were already backing the North Koreans; if the Chinese were nuked that would have made everything worse.

        Soviets barely helped tho. They even made Mao pay them back for all the outdated military equipment.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      They were nominal allies. To do so would have made the perpetrators treacherous in the world's eyes. Don't ask dumb questions.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why didn't we just nuke China when we had the chance?
    for what purpose?
    if you're talking about the korean war, america had only a few dozen nukes and china was a mostly agrarian nation with not much industry. detonating even 20 nukes in china in 1950 would've done very little, as there were few big populated urban centers.
    apart from the korean war I can't imagine any other time the usa would've had the need to launch nuclear weapons at china.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      There was discussion of nuking China during the Korean War but the Americans ultimately didn't because by that point the USSR had already given China it's nuclear umbrella (doubts as to whether it would've fully committed however" and also as
      mentioned, there weren't really any suitable targets in China at the time, not to mention that it would not really do anything to the Chinese war effort and would only piss much of the world off. Plus the Korean War itself is in no way a parallel to Japanese expansion during WW2 anyways.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        To some extent quite true.

        But making the four main ports unusable would have went a long way, and was predictable from that point. How that may have been spun I'm not sure, so feel free to mock me.

        >it would not really do anything to the Chinese war effort
        Nuking the 38th parallel absolutely would have blocked sustainable Chinese entry into North Korea. MacArthur wasn't an idiot on this end.

        >and would only piss much of the world off.
        >Plus the Korean War itself is in no way a parallel to Japanese expansion during WW2 anyways.
        From a surface standpoint, I agree, but the America regime managed to spin getting us into Iraq and Afghanistan, with most Americans none the wiser. Would have been even easier in pre-internet America.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Nuking the 38th parallel absolutely would have blocked sustainable Chinese entry into North Korea. MacArthur wasn't an idiot on this end.
          I agree but OP was asking why China itself wasn't nuked. There might've been suitable targets in Korea but not in China for nearly the same extent

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are Americans so terrified of not being in charge of the world's economy. Industrious changs grinded from the dirt and made something of themselves. Mutts immediately start sweating and shaking and asking why we didn't genocide them to extinction when they were weaker.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      China only became a powerhouse because of Nixon. If let to their own devices they might’ve spiraled into an even more barbaric form of barracks communism and be a worse off North Korea.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because America has no place in the Sino-Russian multipolar world order.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Sino-Russian
        Russia has no place in the Sino multipolar world order.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        multipolar world is such a meme term, it's obvious they just want to replace american hegemony with theirs and would block any dissenter if they could

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The American mind cannot comprehend a country not wanting to dominate all others

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            russians literally invaded czechoslovakia for not being subvertient

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Modern China has never fought a war of aggression

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Chang, you tried to conquer South Korea.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Me? I'm OP, but I surely wouldn't want to make the Chinese extinct. Your civilization is a great one, and one of the ones I find most interesting for its long tradition of social order and maintenance, its grandiosity and mysterious philosophical worldview, and its panoply of romances and fables, to say the least. I wouldn't want to be ruled by commies of any kind, because of how they callously mistreat Christians and Uighurs.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don’t have an answer but if you’re interested in Chinese civilization I’d gladly shill this book

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you.

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