I don't even use 4k or meme refresh rates but HDMI is dead to me.

I don't even use 4k or meme refresh rates but HDMI is dead to me.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    dp exists and is better

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Frick that, I'm going back to VGA.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wish it worked on my rig, no idea why DP works on windows but not linux

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        nvidia or something?
        might want to ask around at your distro's matrix chat

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Works fine in Nvidia and Linux. He's baiting for (you)s.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you like DP?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I love DP I cant stop thinking about DP

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    wait, why can't it be made?
    Is it a legal thing?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.
      The specs of HDMI 2.1 aren't open. I assume it's because of DRM shit.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The specs of HDMI 2.1 aren't open
        that hasn't stopped a lot of things
        like wine or emulators
        AMD would just have to do a clean room reimplementation or something i guess, i don't know how feasible that is though, like i know reactos for example requires devs to have never actually worked on windows itself, for legal protection reasons

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, amd is in the hdmi group or whatever that gives them access to the standard, which costs 15k bucks or so. so they have insider knowledge. they can't do it legally.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          AMD could just release register documentation for their cards like Intel does but they don't because they are a shitty company and don't care about open source.

          https://i.imgur.com/JoGZNUJ.png

          I don't even use 4k or meme refresh rates but HDMI is dead to me.

          If I still used my AMD I would have reverse engineered how HDMI 2.1 works from the windows driver but someone gave me a better Nvidia card for free and I have not touched my AMD one since. Everything works better on Nvidia including wayland.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          AMD put in a significant amount of work to make an implimentation that was "open source" enough to count while protecting the proprietary parts of HDMI well enough, something that is basically a win-win, then they presented it to HDMI who said "lol get fricked". the thing is if you want HDMI, you MUST bow to HDMI. theres no way around it. and if AMD even did 100% of the hard work to make a solution that benefits both parties and HDMI still said no, theres no two ways about it. native HDMI 2.1 is dead on linux.
          intel got around this by including a DP-HDMI conversion chip on every HDMI port, but that adds cost and complexity, and it's not a real solution, just avoiding the problem.

          ultimately, HDMI is dead to me, has been for a while but now it's gone for good. DP has all the features that matter and none of the DRM or licensing that prevents people from using it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            well i'm sure not going to switch to novideo just because of hdmi

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >AMD put in a significant amount of work to make an implimentation that was "open source" enough to count while protecting the proprietary parts of HDMI well enough, something that is basically a win-win, then they presented it to HDMI who said "lol get fricked".
            Have Valve said anything?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            valve dont make GPUs and if the did they wouldn't use HDMI. their onky console only has DP over USB

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but if they did that, they would be kicked out of the hdmi group and get blacklisted.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            they can't do it directly as they have insider information, but what if they say, sponsored someone independent of amd or hdmi to cleanly implement what is needed? (clean meaning without being given restricted information to work with)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but HDMI is a company and they operate like the mafia. Not being on their 'good side' is enough for them to blacklist you/frick you over. Also the alternative is not having hdmi dev boards and having to tell your customers that your chip doesnt natively support hdmi and they will have to buy an extra dp-to-hdmi converter chip. So basically anyone involved in TV's, laptops, gpu's, game consoles, etc. have to bend over and take it up the ass.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They would still get sued and kicked out of the forum.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        how can a standard plug be closed source? uncontrolled capitalism is moronic, but i guess EU will fix your problem just like with apple, corpo drone

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      HDMI is literally a company and it's proprietary tech. This is why your graphics card have one HDMI port but a lot of display ports. Every extra one costs them a fortune.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why does RPi then use HDMI instead of DP

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The rpi uses a ton of closed source bullshit. The HDMI foundation needs to be sued for anti-competition.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          because it was made before DP was even a thing. a modern SBC would just have DP over USB instead of a dedicated video port.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Raspberry Pi 5 should have switched.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          rpi has slow usb speeds. it couldn't handle dp.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Why does RPi then use HDMI instead of DP
          Many cheap screens (for projects) only have an HDMI input.
          Even my 83 inch OLED TV has no DP.

          It's a shame but HDMI is currently more common than DP, so paying the HDMI tax makes sense even on cheap computing devices.
          It's one case where advertising and shady business shenanigans won.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.
      The specs of HDMI 2.1 aren't open. I assume it's because of DRM shit.

      Yes.
      The specs of HDMI 2.1 aren't open. I assume it's because of DRM shit.

      its 100% because of the DRM shit behind HDCP. HDMI forum doesnt want people poking around due to pressure from hollywood/streaming.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but they'll let you do it at 1080p 60hz
        It's a joke and always has been and is exactly why hdmi is on it's way out.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          if you ever wonder why netflix is bleeding subscribers this is partially why. they are the ones not only agreeing to block this shit but also making their own service worse. like how ISPs burned all the money that was supposed to be used for fiber and justfied it with "you dont need more than 10 mb/s upload"

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is tech so clown world

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds a case for oh no we accidentally posted the closed source driver code publicly now we can never undo this.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      uh oh, leaky!

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >HDMI
    mogged by DP and lightning
    HDMI is poorgay tier now

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Linux users can't his the same resolutions and speeds as Windows.

    Lmao, is this true?

    No wonder linux users are all trannies, seething and coping is the best they can do.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So, which do you prefer, anon?
      Linux trannies
      Windows Black folk
      Mac zombies
      Choose one, and only one.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    not too much longer before displays and graphics cards are USB4 standard (basically displayport)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      display over usb-c is literally displayport, not "basically"

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    just make them anyway, kek

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you could but it would never be accepted into mesa.
      It would need to be separate out of tree patches.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fork mesa.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      wtf the frick is that pic for

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        to make me laugh

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    never used hdmi really, its kind of a pain

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    anywhere that this would matter i am always going to pick displayport already. I only use HDMI for my old tv, and old tv shit like roku or ancient dvd players. If I use HDMI on a pc its because i've got 20 extra cables and 20 extra 1080p monitors. If I am building a high end system I'd never choose HDMI

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    too bad all they can do is refuse to provide documentation to make it easier to develop, they have no legal ground to block the development of drivers for hardware which you own

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > all they can do is refuse to provide documentation
      considering HDMI is backwards compatible and 2.0 is open it is probably not that hard to implement a 2.1 driver.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Patents, trademarks, copyrights.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Displays are bloat, just use SSH bro.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just use a Teletype.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i have never used HDMI long term
    still rocking DVI with my GTX1060 6GB

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If only other hardware manufacturers could actively stonewall open-source development like this.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It kinda doesn't matter, most cards have 3 displayport outputs and just one hdmi. I use my hdmi port only for old devices because it can convert to dvi-d with an adapter

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Open source is communist shit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a fricking cable, jackass.
      You have no secret tech here this should be an open standard anyway.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't normal people use proprietary drivers?
    Yeah it would be cool if everything was open source but why make it a religion?

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What a pitiful job OP is baiting us. At least show us a link.
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hdmi-forum-to-amd-no-you-cant-make-an-open-source-hdmi-2-1-driver/
    Could be the death of HDMI in a very near future as most devices rely more and more on DP, like VR sets. Or just we have to cope with our 4k@60hz max for HDMI 2.0.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Could be the death of HDMI in a very near future
      tvs and anything that plugs into them still use hdmi

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Older TVs aren't the problem here, the 2.x specification is for going up to 4k@120hz or 8k for consoomers. Nobody gives a frick about that yet, and if they want to lock their shit TV that's too bad, we got our tiny putha screens with DP.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      we will move to DP and USB-C, frick HDMiggers

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's strange. I get 4k@120hz using my LG C1 and my 6900xt

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      4:2:0, not that it matters for games. you can now use a dp to hdmi adapter and get 4:4:4 if you use a tv as a monitor, they support freesync now.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    eventually it will be reverse engineered but i don't care because i'm fine with 1080p to 2160p resolution with 24 to 60 hz refresh rate.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Linux user can't hit the same speeds and resolutions as Displayport
    Isn't that the other way around? I thought DP had better specs than HDMI.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      HDMI 2.1 is ahead of DP 1.4, theres not a single card out that has DP beyond 1.4

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you moron? DP 2.0 comparable to HDMI 2.1 and all RDNA3 cards support DP 2.1

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          My bad, I only pay attention to Nvidia cards.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    These shitty companies need to be forced to do what we want.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I use all the above and ditched hdmi years ago, displayport is simply superior

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love how they call themselves a "forum" too, what a bunch of fricking clowns.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I thought HDMI was a open standard, what the frick went wrong. Also EU where you at

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Never was. EU won't help

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Come home

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I never left.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >DVI
      >not VGA
      Sorry I'm not addicted to heroin.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can't you just hide all the proprietary shit in the firmware?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you cant strip out hdcp because streaming services and tvs are expecting it.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I swear AMD derives pleasure from being the only GPU vendor who makes their users resort to adapter hacks and other compromises. Intel has a solution to this, as does Nvidia so what the frick? Why do literally nothing for 2+ years, while at the same time even their AM5 platform doesn't support DP 2.0 while the iGPUs are rated at DP2.1.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its available in Intel/Nvidia/AMD PROPRIETARY DRIVER.

      There is no open source driver with it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        intel has a "proprietary" driver?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            where?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/18388/intel-graphics-driver-for-windows-10-15-40-4th-gen.html

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            this entire thread is about linux you mongoloid

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            There is no HDMI 2.1 code in intel's Linux drivers.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            and yet... their solution allows 4k144 HDR on linux

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Only with DP.
            HDMI only supports up to 4k@120Hz on intel cards.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            whats your point AMD can only do 4k60 without DSC.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That intel's solution does not allow 4k@144Hz HDMI output on Linux.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            even the nvidia opensource driver is able to do it. my point stands that out of the three GPU vendors AMD is the only one who after many years still provides no solution to their users. end of story. https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/blob/main/src/nvidia-modeset/src/nvkms-hdmi.c

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nvidia's drivers are only partially open-source.

            https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-HDMI-2.1-FRL-Linux

            Maybe the HDMI Forum is okay with certain parts of the spec being open? idk

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-HDMI-2.1-FRL-Linux

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            My setup can do 120hz at 4k currently on mint but it's not exactly a bug free experience.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            dsc and chroma subsampling are different, and you can just use a dp to hdmi 2.1 converter for 4k120 rgb

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            yes, at 8bit, and lose hdr

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            hdr works with the adapter too, with gamescope i get 8bit in 120hz and 12bit in 60hz mode, but games like ghost wire tokyo exhibit the same kind of banding on both.
            i tried it on windows and xbox series x too, i think the game is mastered in 8bit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Mfw Intel is now the open source king

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Their solution is to internally convert display port to HDMI

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you're purposely being pedantic for no reason. they are providing a solution. amd is not, do you understand?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It is also a hack. For a shit standard that shouldn't exist

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            a solution is a solution, one that does not involve buying some overheating chinkshit adapters on an already expensive gpu

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And AMD provides you the solution of just using DisplayPort.
          What 4k/144 display doesn't have DP inputs?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            like 99% of them?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            i think the only one is the newest lg OLED tv

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            there are tvs with 144Hz? why?
            what video is 144fps?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            just a way for lg to show off their newest panels and have some exclusive feature.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because some of them just happen to use panels that can do it. The smaller sizes of some of Samsung's flagship can do it, though they avoid exposing it unless they're in 'PC mode' to avoid consoles and BD players and shit freaking out.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            just about every qled / OLED panel in the last year can do 4k120

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            YouTube supports 4k 120fps video so that makes some sense.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            plus all the consoles can support it now too, albeit with FSR and other upscaling tricks

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            like 99% of them?

            furthermore, it specifically requires DP 2.0, which is very rare still.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            most 4k144 monitors use dp1.4 with dsc
            >t. samsung 28g7 owner

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            there are tvs with 144Hz? why?
            what video is 144fps?

            because stop being poor.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    HDMI is a cancer
    HDMI has been the worst company I have had the displeasure to work with
    HDMI frick you

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    AMD should just drop HDMI on future cards imo

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >HDMI is dead to me
    if you ever used it for a desktop screen you are a massive normie anyway
    DP > DVI > VGA are the only chad answers

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    just make one anyway and release under the alias "xX_Anonymous_Xx"
    >but they will sue you!
    sue who? who is xX_Anonymous_Xx?

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