I enjoyed it

Spirituality, sci-fi, likeable characters with good banter and an insight into the 1950s counter culture mind set. It did kinda drag on with an sort of unsatisfactory ending though. The author is certainly an insider into the Secret Space programs, 7.5/10

Has lit ever read this? Is Heinleins other work worth a read? Asking for a friend.

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You wasted your time reading him, OP, when you could have read Marx.

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    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks anon listening now. It did drag on so long, star ship troopers is half the length I will consider that. I will never read Marx way too many unbearable buzz words.
      Thinking of reading "Neuromancer" next for more classic sci-fi and an insight into the dystopia/utopia we are racing towards.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I was shitposting in my first reply. I haven't read it yet. I've only read two of his books to date and I liked them both.

        Last month I read Snow Crash and then I reread Neuromancer, I would say you should leave Neuromancer until after you read some Philip K Dick, because the first time I read Neuromancer the book was a disappointment to me because of all the overhype around the book and for being a bit confusing in some parts unless you are used to some crazy elements that are also easily found in PKD. The second time luckily I didn't feel lost or frustrated and I was able to appreciate the work better.
        My opinion improved on a second read, but I would still say Snow Crash is better and it made me be much more analytical despite being a book full of ironies and not taking itself too seriously.

        Today I plan to read an underrated Arthur C. Clark as my monthly sci-fi book. But as soon as I get a chance I'll buy Strange in A Strange Land.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Necromancer seems dated because everyone has ripped it off. Cyberpunk in particular.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Spirituality
    There wasn't really any spirituality in the book. To Heinlein religion is just useful social programming. The Church of All Worlds resembles Scientology with its emphasis on advancement and practical psychic abilities.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Thou Art God is a good introduction to basic spirituality. You are god, I am god, we are all god. This is obvious and justifies moral
      behaviour also. The One is in All and the All is in One. Advancement is the entire point of spirituality really. I like the simple succinct metaphysical philosophy, really all other religions just dress up or completely ignore Thou Art God.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Thou Art God is a good introduction to basic spirituality.
        No it isn't.
        >Advancement is the entire point of spirituality really
        Also no.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Thank for your detailed insightful responses. I guarantee I am literal light years beyond you in the realm of spiritual advancement. I will not elaborate.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >I guarantee I am literal light years beyond you in the realm of spiritual advancement.
            Did you get a good performance review from God this year?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            he is god dummy of course he did

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            He is just one of the Zoomers who are infesting the board with their larping about be wise and based Christiangays. Just ignore them.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I'm actually not spiritual or religious, I just know enough about the subject to say that "Thou Art God" isn't a good intro to spirituality. and advancement isn't the point of it. Anyone with a passing familiarity with religion would tell you this is bullshit.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >religion
            and here lies your problem you have a long, long, long way to go spirituality and religion are not the same thing

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Christcuck discords are shitting up the entirety of IQfy at an unbelievable rate, likely thinking that pissing everyone off with their proselytising is doing everyone a god given favour

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine trying to pretend to be an old homosexual and not recognizing trolling.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Christcuck discords are shitting up the entirety of IQfy at an unbelievable rate, likely thinking that pissing everyone off with their proselytising is doing everyone a god given favour

            >waaah Christians are spammers!!1!!
            >starts spamming their moronic whining about Christians in a completely off topic thread
            You guys are the dumbest mother frickers in the entire world.

            You guys have nothing of value to add, so all you can add is kvetching like Talmudist Pharisees.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Your shitty bait isn't working anymore in the other threads so you let it come here and repeat the same shit like an autistic parrot.
            Go back. This is fine thread.

            the moon is a harsh mistress is definitely worth a read

            I usually see people say that this is his best book. What do you think?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >I usually see people say that this is his best book. What do you think?
            that's surprising, I would have thought that starship troopers would be his best/most recognized book.

            It's a good mix of unexpected comedy, lunar politics, and very different and distinct cultures. I wasn't expecting to like it but it was a page turner, I finished it pretty quickly. I was surprised by how funny Heinlein was, given how unfunny and serious starship troopers was

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Hating on Starship Troopers is pretty common these days. I see some idiots saying that the book is horrible and doesn't deserve any recognition.
            The Moon is a Harsh Mistress seems to escape this hatred at least a little bit, that's why I was curious to know if the book is really good or was being seen as some favor due to politics (in this case the others books by him being demoted).

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >politics
            Well at least sitting here and thinking about it, I don't think harsh mistress has any true political slant that people would hate on one way or another. It's not as politically slanted as SST for sure, which had chapters of OCS lectures on political theory

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The hate is directed at him for being a "libertarian fascist, a friend of Scientologists and a misogynist". Is just moronic shit, see

            You wasted your time reading him, OP, when you could have read Marx.

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            People who are unable to separate the artists from the creation.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            fair enough, I don't have any friends that read and I don't follow any kind of discourse online so idk anything about what people are saying.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Didn't like the sex cult stuff but overall it was pretty decent.

            >I usually see people say that this is his best book.
            I've only read moon, stranger and starship troopers and liked them all but it's by far the best of those three.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        based. you get it.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Thou Art God

          Did you read the cut version, or the uncut one? They're two totally different experiences, with the uncut one being my preferred version.
          You can figure out which one you have by looking at the first few sentences of the novel.

          Cut:
          >The first human expedition to Mars was selected on the theory that the greatest danger to man was man himself.
          Uncut:
          >The first human expedition from Terra to Mars was selected on the theory that the greatest danger to man in space was man himself.

          I read the uncut version, makes sense because compared to the seemingly abrupt anticlimactic ending.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >dude orgies lmao

    calm down heinlein

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      I once read another Heinlein sci-fi novel, Glory Road, where he says that out of the innumerable alien civilizations Earth is the only one with prostitution because its the only world where women gatekeep love and "try to hoard what they have an infinite supply of". Guess he was a bit lonely when he wrote that.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        sex sells

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          what's that about?

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't this the book where he goes from Mars to Earth and faces some slug monsters in the shape of women using his dick until he opens his third eye and starts shooting laser beams through third eyes and from his Ureta and in the end comes to great ecstasy and understands that he is a stranger in a strange land?

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    i absolutely hated this book, do you grok what i'm saying?
    i only read it because it's charles mansons favorite book.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I grok, I read it because I feel like a stranger in a strange land myself tbh

      Terminally boring. A long author self-insert that boils down to
      >gosh golly if I could do anything at all I would have orgies! And people would treat me like I was Jesus!
      pure cringe

      lots of heinlein self inserts, Jubal being number 1 he does very well fleshing out his character, Mike on the other hand doesn't develop beyond one dimensional autistic blandness

      >politics
      Well at least sitting here and thinking about it, I don't think harsh mistress has any true political slant that people would hate on one way or another. It's not as politically slanted as SST for sure, which had chapters of OCS lectures on political theory

      If anything I will read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and leave it at that for Heinlein, thanks anons

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the moon is a harsh mistress is definitely worth a read

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Heinlein's stuff seems cool. What about his post Moon is a Harsh Mistress work?

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      He goes full momlover

      https://i.imgur.com/IHbUqjc.jpeg

      Time Enough for Love and To Sail Beyond the Sunset are my favourites of his

      Based, mine too

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        What the frick, that's Xev Bellringer? I watched a porno with her in it many years ago and she looked nothing like that. Was it mislabeled?

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          She was pregnant in that pic, that's probably why

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Nu-IQfy is full of moralgay christcucks, they hate this book because they're gay.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Terminally boring. A long author self-insert that boils down to
    >gosh golly if I could do anything at all I would have orgies! And people would treat me like I was Jesus!
    pure cringe

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't like it at all. I was expecting starship troopers lol

    When I first heard someone use the word grok on a podcast I though surely this homosexual isn't using the word from the book but yeah thats where it comes from.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    So the title was right? He was a stranger in a strange land?

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    OP died of aids.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Heinlein became crazy with age, but the vile hatred he receives from moronic leftists borders on the absurd.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      it's almost all solely directed at Starship Troopers and its various adaptations. I find this funny because most of these morons can barely coherently talk about the shit he wrote when he was old and zonked out.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Good for you

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    So the old rumor that used to circulate in the Before Times, when you had to go to IRL conventions or use a BBS to talk about scifi/fantasy, was that Heinlein and Hubbard were sitting at a bar together and decided to bet $100 on who could start a religion first. Heinlein wrote Stranger in a Strange Land. Hubbard wrote Dianetics. Things got weird after that.

    As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. It deserves the praise.

    When you read Starship Troopers, do your best to empty your mind of the movie. The two are barely related. There's also a lot less power armor and a lot more political philosophy than most people expect, and it ends abruptly. Still recommended, though.

    What I haven't seen mentioned are his "juvenile" novels (they'd be called YA today). I read them originally as a teenager at the recommendation of one of the handful of teachers I ever respected, and still go back to them on occasion. Have Space Suit - Will Travel, Citizen of the Galaxy, The Red Planet, and The Rolling Stones are probably my personal favorites, but the rest hold up well. Do note that the qualitative differences between what was considered YA in the '50s versus today may cause some degree of lamentation.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Did you read the cut version, or the uncut one? They're two totally different experiences, with the uncut one being my preferred version.
    You can figure out which one you have by looking at the first few sentences of the novel.

    Cut:
    >The first human expedition to Mars was selected on the theory that the greatest danger to man was man himself.
    Uncut:
    >The first human expedition from Terra to Mars was selected on the theory that the greatest danger to man in space was man himself.

  17. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    The writers was a fascist ancap who saw women only with objects

  18. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    This book is a version of the story of "Joseph" Smith and the origin and tenets of the Latter Day Saints. "Thou art god" is simply a short-hand explication of the doctrine of Exaltation.

  19. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    I'm tired of pseudo intellectualism and reading almost always the same thing.

    Come on then, give me science fiction recommendations that are literary, not slop.
    Tell me what you like about this book, what the themes are.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Clifford D. Simak's Way Station.

      It's written with pastoral influences and depicts a 160 year old civil war veteran that was chosen to manage an intergalactic way station by some kinda Alien Federation. In exchange for managing it, he doesn't age within his house wherein the way station is. He learns about all sorts of aliens and their cultures, languages, and advancements. He constantly considers how much of this knowledge should he let humanity know, as he's been sending letters to the scientific journals like Nature since those were launched.

      It was published during the cold war and you can tell that the writer's a bit on the hopeful side for humanity. However, he does depict the CIA as being shortsighted and bumbling. I won't go in depth on the CIA or the hillbillies as that's a fun part of the plot to see.

      The theme of being stuck between two worlds, of being the gatekeeper of knowledge, and all that. It's present. However, I just enjoyed the execution and construction of the book. Enoch Wallace, the main character, is a pretty interesting character. He's flawed, yet tries to be a good man. His longevity has caused him to have some inner conflicts and extreme loneliness, yet he chooses to be the neighborly midwesterner. His choice to constantly try and be a good man in spite of all that he's been through is just satisfying.

      And, I'm probably not putting this right due to being awake for 20 hours, the man is a Civil War veteran. The book's published during the cold war and it shows. So, in the book, after some events, he has to choose between humanity and this alien federation. Does he release all the secrets to the world? Does he just walk away with the aliens?

      It's all fun stuff with a satisfying end.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        And what do you have to say about Eastern Euro sci-fi?

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          haven't gotten around to it yet but I've got Solaris on my to-read list and am looking for Roadside Picnic, We, RUR, and War of the Newts copies.

          I hear there's plenty of excellent eastern euro SF if you're looking for that. I've only mentioned looking for the most famous ones. There's probably lists of more obscure-to-the-west works/authors.

  20. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Time Enough for Love and To Sail Beyond the Sunset are my favourites of his

  21. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    I love this book because it triggers women and midwits.

  22. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    you like pedophiles?

    He was a close personal friend of notorious pedophile Walter Breen, and in the early 1960s when stories of Breen raping little boys started coming out, Heinlein sided with Breen, cutting off many ties in the science fiction community.

    As Heinlein wrote to Marion Zimmer Bradley, herself a child rapist and Breen's wife:
    "The fan nuisance we were subjected to was nothing like as nasty as the horrible things that were done to you two but it was bad enough that we could get nothing else done during the weeks it went on and utterly spoiled what should have been a pleasant, happy winter. But it resulted in a decision which has made our life much pleasanter already…We have cut off all contact with organized fandom. I regret that we will miss meeting some worthwhile people in the future as the result of this decision. But the percentage of poisonous jerks in the ranks of fans makes the price too high; we’ll find our friends elsewhere."

    get checked, by a rope, you sick c**t

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      I'm an honest left-winger actually, so yes, I like them.

  23. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    I would read Heinlein. Not because his science fiction but because he is one of the few popular figures that was open libertarian.

    As far as I read, he isn't no such a great writer like, let's say Satre or Mann or whatever.

  24. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    His book about a fake president is actually funny

  25. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    It's hilarious how the guy still makes left-wingers seethe when he used to be one of the biggest names in the genre.

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