I need books about the theory of order and chaos.

I need books about the theory of order and chaos.

Specifically where it is said that for there to be order there must first be chaos. I hold this theory but I don't know how to explain it, maybe some book can enlighten me about this. Thank you.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In the beginning, Eurynome, the Goddess of All Things, rose naked from Chaos, but found nothing substantial for her feet to rest upon, and therefore divided the sea from the sky, dancing lonely upon its waves.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Greek myths of Graves?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Genesis chapter 1:1 does this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not literature

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, as well as the Gospel of John chapter 1 verses 1 to 5.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Finnegans Wake

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Plato's dialogue Timaeus is the best book on the subject, and most religious/philosophical books are heavily based on it. However, it doesn't necessarily posit that "for there to be order there must first be chaos". Really, there isn't necessarily a first, because both pure Being and pure chaotic matter both exist outside of time. It also says that chaos due to having no actuality, being a pure vessel that can take on any shape, consequently doesn't "exist", due to being pure potentiality, where in order to exist you have to be "actual" to a degree.

    Here's a quote from the dialogue that captures the relationship pretty well.

    "The containing principle [chaotic matter] may be likened to a mother, the source or spring [ordered being] to a father, the intermediate nature [becoming/creation] to a child"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      (cont)

      I would like to point out that this inclination to believe that order must proceed from chaos, is an inversion of traditional metaphysics, and given that the key characteristic of our zeitgeist is both a rejection of metaphysics and inversion of it, it is no wonder that this is the conclusion you come to after some deliberation, because it is very difficult to escape one's environmental view, and all of our perceptions and experiences are conditioned by it.

      To articulate this view, some may say that the theory of evolution is itself an demonstration of the principle of emergence, that given enough time complex and ordered structures emerge from randomly interacting components. Which is the modern explanation of consciousness, which is a very much "bottom-up" approach. As opposed to say, the "top-down" approach where the soul is the primary causal force of the human being, and is in its most pure state when at rest and is more akin to pure being. When it is in action, it is necessarily limited and the soul becomes constrained into bodily actions such as thinking, feeling, judging, then this is called consciousness. Do you see why they are completely opposite stances? Do we not tend to put action over contemplation in the modern world? Consequently, it is no surprise that people say that order must proceed from chaos, because action is necessarily the realm of chaos and change, while contemplation is in the realm of being and stability.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Consequently, it is no surprise that people say that order must proceed from chaos, because action is necessarily the realm of chaos and change, while contemplation is in the realm of being and stability.
        Doesn't Plato flip this upside in Sophist by divorcing rest from being and placing motion on equal footing?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thermodynamics and physical chemistry is a good start, apart from the pure philosophical part.

    Especially grasping the concept of entropy and the second law of thermodynamics.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I hold this theory but I don't know how to explain it,
    You're a midwit who works entirely on emotions, then needs to rationalize his emotions to make it look like he's smart.
    Just drop the midwit pretense of "I NEED TO LOOK INTELLIGENT AT ALL TIMES!!!" and be honest. Just ask "this theory seems cool, recommend me books on it"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That is exactly what I meant, it was not my intention to sound intelligent, I am interested in the theory but not knowing how to explain it I express it that way.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You sound like a midwit yourself since you apparently see a need to psychoanalyze op over nothing

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's not "over nothing", it's very important to make midwits understand to stop obsessing over IQ and just enjoy life

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          sounds like advice you need to take badly

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            how so

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Any book on thermodynamics.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Look at a video of Langton's ant and ponder

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    just look into hermeticism. it covers this in a holistic and ultimately perfect way. it solves all the contradictions of the Bible, all the failings of Marxism, all the horrors of fascism, all the angst of exestentialism in seven simple axioms.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't have books but i hope you can hear my thoughts:
    From the chaos sprung substance but then order gave said substance form.
    Order sprung from chaos eventually and then every substance changed to a form.
    Chaos the creator and Order the architect.
    There is nothing to say because without order chaos would never change but order changed chaos itself.

    Fin~

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Perfecto.

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