I understand why the Mediterranean Sea was the perfect place to produce a lot of technologically-advanced civilizations, and why the areas around Indi...

I understand why the Mediterranean Sea was the perfect place to produce a lot of technologically-advanced civilizations, and why the areas around India, China, and SEA also did so. But why did the Caribbean Sea, Baltic Sea, and whatever the area around East Africa below the Middle-East is called fail to do so until contacted by the others?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Idk how many times I am going to have to make this same post but all civilization came from a single root source and spread only through contact and that root source is way older than anyone is comfortable admitting. Before anyone mentions Meso-America, they were clearly contacted as evidenced by their own stories and legends, the fact that they were building pyramids and the way that their society was structured. People are upset about these facts but they are true.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Are you talking about the "purse" carriers?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not necessarily but I don't see any reason why that couldn't be part of it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I see. I also agree that Civilization is much older than usually considered to be, and that it mostly came from one source (not sure about ALL examples of Civilizations coming from that source, though).

          Who do you think invented it, what/who was the source in your opinion?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Who do you think invented it, what/who was the source in your opinion?
            I've been trying to figure that out for years and coming up on dead ends, not because of a lack of direct evidence but because I can never seem to track down the "smoking gun" so to speak. Like I can't point at a lost, sunken continent with bronze age technology while the rest of us were banging rocks together which I suspect is the case based on the fact that someone was moving around multi-ton blocks in the stone age. I think it could be the case that they were a separate hominid from us the way that Neanderthal was. I wish I had a better answer than that, I know I'm making a weak case but I have to get ready for work soon. If the thread is still around and you are still interested tomorrow I'll try to see if I can scrounge the evidence back together (I had some things saved to a drive but I lost the drive when my girlfriend and I moved out of my old place).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'd be interested, thanks. I'll hope it's still up tomorrow. Try to have a good time at work, fren.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks man. Know what, even if it's not I'll just start a new thread since you seem genuinely interested. I'll use picrel so that you can find it easily.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      to reference: we are closer to the romans at their peak than the romans were to the ancient egyptians

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Low IQ people lived there

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is likely the correct answer, though for the Baltic Sea there are other factors.

      Just because the territory is fertile for advanced technological civilization doesn't mean the humans there will be. And not even just by IQ, also impulsive violence and personality factors.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is likely the correct answer, though for the Baltic Sea there are other factors.

      Just because the territory is fertile for advanced technological civilization doesn't mean the humans there will be. And not even just by IQ, also impulsive violence and personality factors.

      Not really a good explanation

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Are you denying that some populations of human will simply not be capable of the same Civilizational feats as others? Obviously over our evolution this would have been the case many times over.

        Or are you just saying that other factors beyond racial variation would matter more?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Caribbean had no beasts of burden, so no labor-saving animals to promote agricultural (and economic) development. The Caribbean is also fricking huge and prone to hurricanes which hinders trade and settlement. There was long distance trade carried out by the Tainos and Maya, however, and the Maya did have a writing system for recordkeeping. The mainlanders were fairly developed for what they had available to them and achieved pretty high populations until they hit carrying capacity.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the Caribbean Sea
    Mayans

    >Baltic Sea
    Vikings (arguable)

    >whatever the area around East Africa below the Middle-East
    Axumites and Somalis

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Caribbean Sea
    It did, the area was home to a vast number of civilizations, such as the Maya.

    >Baltic Sea
    It did, the Baltic region had stone walled urban centers as far back as 1,000BC. Basically all amber in Eurasia came from here.

    >the area around East Africa below the Middle-East
    You're referring to the Red Sea, and yes it too had largescale urbanization in the Pre-Islamic Arabs and Ethiopia. Pre-Islamic Arabia collapsed due to the Constandinid dynasty's disastrous economic policies (it was thoroughly integrated into the Roman economy).

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The societies that built the first cities were empowered by previous kinds of humans that spread useful crops, cattle, knowledge, genes and diseases all along a band of latitude from Spain to North China. Longest possible axis you can grow wheat and barley and shit all along it.
    Then they lived in a big river valley. But the Amazon and the Mississippi are north and south of each other, so no dice

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Civilizations didn't form around seas, they began along river basins, where the best hunting and farming land was.

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      Anonymous
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    Anonymous

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