I wish people just read the damn book.

I wish people just read the damn book.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If this book was properly and accurately adapted into a movie the morons from IQfy would complain it’s woke

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The movie was already pretty woke.
      >fat, black female Sky Marshall takes over for incompetent old white guy
      >men and women held perfectly equal in society, to the point of gender neutral washrooms
      >religious folk fleeing earth
      >fleet (high ranking positions) almost entirely female
      >M.I. almost entirely male (but still with minorites and women warriors)
      >new age shit is real, guys

      Makes me laugh that the movie is apparently a satire of fascism yet it depicts a left-wing wet dream pre-trans movement.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A bunch of those things are straight out of the book. Maybe you should read it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Go back to IQfy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's less muddled that way. It can say that fascism is bad because it's a meat grinder without getting bogged down in indirect problems like sexism or even whether it works or not. It says that even if it did work, if it did make the world shiny and it gave everyone an equal opportunity to make someone of their lives and its enemies were literal vermin, it would still be a waste of human life and potential.
        On the commentary track Verhoeven says that as part of the gender equality thing they gave both the male and the female lead two love interests, very symmetrical, and to his surprise the audience hated it, saw the female lead as a treacherous prostitute. He hadn't expected that to happen. IIRC he blames it on sexism but Carmen does dump Rico first so it's not exactly symmetrical.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There has never been any backlash to diversity in fiction, it has simply never happened. But when I say diversity there I mean actual diversity, not "let's replace these medieval Europeans with Black folks."

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > There has never been any backlash to diversity in fiction, it has simply never happened
        lol have you been to IQfy?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that's because in most people's heads everyone is white until told otherwise

        also you actually have to come up with an original story in fiction as opposed to redoing an old book but with race swapped gender swapped protagonists

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Johnny Rico was a pure peenoy in the book

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, he was an Austronesian jock on the swim team but you would have thought he was Latino or Hispanic at first.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            True

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The book is chud, dumbass

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The only woke things in the novel were the diversity and women in the armed forces. Heinlein still crops on Leftist beliefs like Communism, abortion and violent gangs.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a stupid book, the movie did it better. Heinlein in general is a hack too, Verhoeven will always be the better artist.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I read the book, AMA

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Would civilization be better if parents were held accountable for the actions of their kids? Would such a civilization be better or worse for black Americans long term.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is a wonderful capstone for the Heinlein Juvenilia because its not simply meant to be a passive read. Its a final stepping stone into adulthood where Heinlein throws you his active propositions for what a future government should be. How it works is painstakingly shown on several different levels, although it never goes as high vertically as that beloved Kim pastiche Citizen of the Galaxy. The book's action scenes are memorable to the extent that its fair to say it established what a space marine in power armor feels and looks like, but that was really not the main part of the book.

    The main part of the book is that it ultimately reads you. I speak not in a mystical sense of some communion, but rather if we imagine a conversation the book is not giving you declarations solo fide no contemplatio, but giving you information and then daring you to work through its problems. When Johnny answers humans aren't the same as potatoes were you working along with him? Or rather were you already discomforted by this militaristic future you were being encountered by? The movie does no great favors. I hate the scene where the recruiter has his cybernetic limbs for its soporific effect in attacking a classic and making it bloodless. But this book simply can't be read because it dares to have strongly presented themes and ideas, and more than that dares to present them as an objective truth (at least from the POV of our narrator, I'm not going to call out Heinlein for sure). It doesn't do this in some unique way. I opened up this post by calling it juvenilia because that's what it is. Its meant for children-cum-adults yet that level of discourse is so far above our media literacy we cannot handle it. I tell those who quail to treat it like that ancient Roman practice of having students argue out whether one should kill their brother if asked by their father; pitting filial piety against brotherly love. If we cannot simply read the book then the only meaningful response we can have is to work through it fitfully with introspection and at a certain place and time in our lives. For most that ability has fled, for many that time is over and their formation bereft of even such a small boon as Starship Troopers. I weep, yes I weep until our culture ascends the mole hill of a bildungsroman.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wish people in general could read.
    But most of them are so stupid that movies can't even tell a story without telling everything that's more complicated than 2+2.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've been wanting to reread it for a while now but have been to lazy to get a new copy.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The book was shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Expects HFY-tier propaganda
      >Gets antidote for eternal war
      >Complains.
      Like pottery, it is.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >antidote for eternal war
        Buenos Aires was an inside job

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          "Just war" isn't just a sarcastic throwaway line.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      WEG's don't work when you make them a gigantic cluster frick, r-tard. And learn to frick crop.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They still read books and wrote letters home to people, even listened to books while asleep and being hypnotized. They really didn't use smartphones or any devices that were similar although the powered armor suits did have wireless communication.

      Also, the book was better than the movie.

      >antidote for eternal war
      Buenos Aires was an inside job

      No, it was the Bugs with spaceships and they attacked Earth that way.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The point of the basedjak is the "I fricking love science" t-shirt. Every single gay fricking schoolroom scene has the teacher going on about how moral philosophy is a definite science. It's vomit-inducing crap on the level of Asimov's fetish for globohomosexual high-tech civilisation. Only the truly brainwashed mid-20th century cattle could be so in love with science.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The anime sunrise made was far more closer in tone and atmosphere to the book than the Neil Patrick Harris movie

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like Heinlein, but read enough of his book and you realize they are all fictionalized retellings a fof his induction into the navy and masons. Each book follows a format of
    >young man character thrown into a new world
    >old mentor teaches him how to do everything
    >young man comes into his own, growing into a man

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's just the heros journey archetype

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This. The modern version is the Girlboss's journey archetype.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ...soo, she's good at everything without even really trying and related to the big impressive guy in the story?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Make me

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I just wish they added skinnies in the movies
    always wondered if calling somalis skinnies came from this book

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The book was meh, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress was a lot better.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This one was better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Of course it was better, it was written decades after Starship Troopers and the idea of powered armor was created.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Of course ASOIAF was better, it was written decades after LOTR and the idea of high fantasy was created

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          tax policy in high fantasy?

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I just finished reading it. I thought it was quite compelling. Humanity had achieved utopia through veterans taking over society by force, then proceeded to continue using violence as necessary for expansion into space, even when it might not have been necessary. It doesn't matter who started the war between humans and the Bugs, or if humanity even COULD speak to the Bugs, because that's not the important thing to focus on at the end of the day. The tragedy comes from the fact that perhaps humanity could have made allies and friends of the Bugs, and xenophobia could have become non-existent alongside racism and sexism. But that will never happen.

    >Neo-dogs are badass, why didn't Halo or 40k put them in their settings?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >why didn't 40k put them in [its] setting?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Neo-dog units are just too sad to think about in practice. Neither Neo-dog nor handler can meaningfully survive the death of their partner

      Which makes it all the more mind-boggling that 40k never ripped them of and cranked the tragedy up to eleven

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The tragedy comes from the fact that perhaps humanity could have made allies and friends of the Bugs, and xenophobia could have become non-existent alongside racism and sexism. But that will never happen.
      are you stupid?
      humanity literally finished a war and made an alliance with the skinnies

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    read it on the bounce, it was meh

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As usual the movies better

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