If free will isn't real like Mrs Hossenfelder believes, then we are just an awareness, and the actions we perceive coming from us actually comes ...

If free will isn't real like Mrs Hossenfelder believes, then we are just an awareness, and the actions we perceive coming from us actually comes from a deterministic process separate from what we really are. So, we are basically a tied up and gagged person being touched and shown things by a humanlike AI. But why would there be any evolutionary advantage in having an awareness? It doesn't impact any decisions in a determinist model and life would reproduce exactly the same way being philozombies.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eleutherophobic WEF shills with their wrong dogma of a deterministic computational universe will reply with one of the following two copes:
    >1. Consciousness doesn't exist. We are p-zombies (Dennettian eliminativism)
    >2. Consciousness just magically is intrinsic to the universe / to complex systems without explanation (panpsychistic ignorantism, "emergentism")

    Fact: Only a dualistic or trialistic ontology can accurately account for both mental and physical phenomena.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only Monism of two aspects represented by trialities, one being Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, works. Pure mathematics. You can ask questions if you want but don't be a dualist

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dennett doesn't believe that consciousness doesn't exist, he just doesn't believe that conscious experiences fit the criteria that are traditionally put forward with regards to qualia.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      prove that you could have done otherwise.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pansychism is not ignorance. Even Vedics understood it as true.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The price of denying dualism is panpsychism
      Who is willing to jump through that fricking hoop? That's a level of desperation that would be painful just to watch.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hes too much of a brainlet to understand that evolution isn't conscious while sperging out philosophical nonsense.
    heh

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Make this moron understand then, please.
      >evolution isn't conscious
      ?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just because there's no free will doesn't mean that higher intelligence doesn't offer benefits in survival. You imply it's because evolution "doesn't like it" which is nonsense.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >higher intelligence doesn't offer benefits in survival
          What? I didn't say anything about higher intelligence. The experience of actions in the form of vision and other sensations should be evolutionarily unnecessary if free will doesn't exist, as there are better ways to process information and perform actions to ensure survival without requiring any awareness.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >hes babblin again

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >as there are better ways to process information and perform actions to ensure survival without requiring any awareness
            Not him, but are there though?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, obviously. If a body is dehydrated it should directly perform actions to get water, why would it create the sensation of thirst?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but we can and do regularly disobey our bodies. People eat way past the point of being hungry and drink way more.
            Are you implying addiction, for example, is a part of free will?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Signaling is important, sometimes getting water isn't a priority at the same thirst level

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It can be done without sensations. It would be more efficient that way. Emotions represent priority, instead of choosing something over a decision to drink water because the first option is better for your emotional satisfaction, your brain could instead associate numbers to both options instead of associating sensations differing in intensity, and then choosing the option with a greater number.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's what your brain is doing, it's just more complex because creatures that had more complex thoughts survived.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Intensity is numerical that is why we rate pain and other sensation from 1 to 10 to the doctor.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >evolution occurs in the metaphysical and has done so for thousands of years
      Nothing personnell kid

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this what the kids are [deterministically forced by the boundary conditions of the universe to believe* in a purely illusory* sense since these words are nonsensical and consciousness isn't real]

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Classic god move "Hey yo I just made this place what you do in there is none of my business also watch out for volcanoes capable of reducing your global civilization to ash good luck"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If Adam was as concerned about future volcanoes as you are, he should never have eaten the apple.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >most laws of physics behave deterministically GIVEN SUFFICIENT BOUNDARY CONDITIONS
    Now who determines the boundary conditions, huh?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its a good point i think, you can have an automaton which has memory and which fears death without it necessarily being conscious, so idk if it can be explained by nature/evolution (two different things i guess, idk)

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >we are basically a tied up and gagged person being touched and shown things by a humanlike AI
    this is a homunculus argument

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These discussions are so bad, so fundamentally misinformed about what determinism is and what physics is able to predict, that you all look like brainlet cattle sniffing your way around manure.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Free will is possible if consciousness collapses the wavefunction. Sabine has never debunked this.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Free will makes new things happen a deterministic model doesn't allows new things just previously determined scheduled events

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