If god knows everything why does he need to test people

If god knows everything why does he need to test people

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is the test, he's running the calculation, for you it's a long 60-70-80 years for him it's less than a blink of an eye,

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why is he testing and running calculations if he knows everything already

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cuz he wants to save everyone who is worth saving

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          why doesnt he save everyone instantly since he already knows the outcome of the tests

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            because not everyone has been born yet.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            why

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ??? Time needs to progress my friend.

            From the seed of Adam God is waiting for humanity to play out and until no one is worth saving anymore, then he'll come and judge us.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            why does time need to progress for God if he is outside time

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Look God is complicated okay, I don't get the guy myself too much but this is what he said see if you can make sense of it more than me.

            24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Yeah I mean it's not proper terminology so I guess my point is.

            He's not waiting, because God doesn't wait because God doesn't really adhere to the concept of waiting because God is eternal, you're saying "oh why doesn't he just making it happen instantly" to him it doesn't matter whether or not something happens instantly because he is here eternally. If it plays out in 10 minutes or 10000000 minutes it's the same deal to him, it's only a problem for us finite beings because we are impatient while is not, he does not care about waiting because there is no waiting, ya feel me?

            Which is why adding on to this God is so scary, he deals in infinites, if you do something against him it's infinite punishment, if you do something that he approves of or if he is gracious it's infinite reward, that's his nature I AM WHO I AM. that is his deal is, to impose a timeframe on him like that's even a thing that is a restraint on him and not us is nonsensical, he's a force of nature, he is existence, he'll watch everything play out nano second by nano second and that will be that, he'll move on to the next thing, but for the things he is watching it will be hundreds of thousands of millions of years but he is just watching, because he always was and always will be. To even try to comprehend this on a human level will sound absolutely insane because we can't really comprehend the nature of him.

            The problem posed here touches upon free will and the three omni's (omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence).
            I'm still going through a detailed reading of the NT to find the theological framework that supports the omni's, but I can confidently say that in the Hebrew Bible there is a clear and gradual development towards them. YHWH in the Pentateuch is definitely presented in a much more similar fashion to other deities in the Semitic pantheon. Which is to say his powers and oversight are pretty limited. But I digress; lets discuss the implications of a being similar to the modern concept of the Abrahamic God and what that means for free will or determinism.
            If God knows everything that did, does, and will happen, it's safe to say that includes your and everyone else's salvation. If God also created everything that did, does, and will exist, then there are clear and limited paths everyone will take. The limitation is that which God creates. If God is all-powerful, then he would be able to alter events at his will. Finally, the concept of free will hinges on the ability to act independently of a predetermined set of outcomes.
            If God knew you before you were born, knew what would happen throughout your life, and is responsible for preceding to bring you to life, you have no free will. Why? Because you can never act in a way that wasn't foreseen, set into motion, and uninterrupted by God. You were predestined for the outcome you will receive and only God could change that.

            schizos

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            God employed the Devil to test people.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            why does he need to employ the devil to test people if he knows the outcome of the test

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            To publish their Degree for others.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Diplomas are certificates which prove completion of certain courses in education.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            thanks to the Devil and God for diplomas

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/diploma-vs-degree

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            god already knows outcome of those who haven't been born yet, or is god not omniscient?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, and he's waiting for them to be born in the future and live their life

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >God is waiting for something even though he transcends time
            hehe

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            An omnipotent god wouldn't need to wait, or are there constraints to god's power after all?

            Yeah I mean it's not proper terminology so I guess my point is.

            He's not waiting, because God doesn't wait because God doesn't really adhere to the concept of waiting because God is eternal, you're saying "oh why doesn't he just making it happen instantly" to him it doesn't matter whether or not something happens instantly because he is here eternally. If it plays out in 10 minutes or 10000000 minutes it's the same deal to him, it's only a problem for us finite beings because we are impatient while is not, he does not care about waiting because there is no waiting, ya feel me?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Which is why adding on to this God is so scary, he deals in infinites, if you do something against him it's infinite punishment, if you do something that he approves of or if he is gracious it's infinite reward, that's his nature I AM WHO I AM. that is his deal is, to impose a timeframe on him like that's even a thing that is a restraint on him and not us is nonsensical, he's a force of nature, he is existence, he'll watch everything play out nano second by nano second and that will be that, he'll move on to the next thing, but for the things he is watching it will be hundreds of thousands of millions of years but he is just watching, because he always was and always will be. To even try to comprehend this on a human level will sound absolutely insane because we can't really comprehend the nature of him.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Your claim is that god desires for everyone to be born. Why would god wait? Does god desire something else that would contradict god's desire for everyone to be born, or does constraints to god's power render god unable to not wait, or does god not care if everyone is born after all?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You don't get it, God never waits because there is nothing for God to wait for, if something takes a million years to unfold it's the same to him as instantly.

            Somewhere between now and the heat death of the universe God will unleash his judgement, and to him this timeframe is non-existent, because a billion years or a hundred billion years is the same as infinity, so there is no reason to not let it play out, because there is no difference, do you not comprehend this?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            and yet he created this existence despite not needing to create it. You're saying that for God everything happens instantly because even the timeframe of a trillion years is just a blink for an infinite being.
            But you dodge the real essence of the problem, why would he create anything at all? Even an instant is too long for something you already know the outcome of. What does he even have to gain out of this instant experiment? Theres no knowledge to be added to his infinite wisdom from the experiment itself

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because the nature of God is to create, love, be righteous, be holy, be merciful and being infinite.

            Thus he will do all these things because that is what his nature is, he can never not do any of these things. Like the thunder will strike and the rain will fall it is merely the way of things

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >God is omnipotent but also a force of nature that cannot go contrary to his nature
            Sounds to me God lacks free will then

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't wanna make any decisive judgements but it would appear to me God would never be able to unmake himself or be finite at the very least (by definition). So he is bound to a nature yes, and we are bound to a destiny possibly also yes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            God's nature is inseparable from God. He will not do X or Y because it is illogical from our human perspective to take such a possibility seriously, not because he is constrained by something.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Couldnt God through the holy spirit maintain a link with you and see what being a limited being is like through your own eyes? Seems to me this idea is repeated in all the major religions

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sure but indeed at no point in the Christian trinity was God "reduced" when he became incarnate so yes he can do that assuming he isn't reducing his infinity

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            An omnipotent god wouldn't need to wait, or are there constraints to god's power after all?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The problem posed here touches upon free will and the three omni's (omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence).
    I'm still going through a detailed reading of the NT to find the theological framework that supports the omni's, but I can confidently say that in the Hebrew Bible there is a clear and gradual development towards them. YHWH in the Pentateuch is definitely presented in a much more similar fashion to other deities in the Semitic pantheon. Which is to say his powers and oversight are pretty limited. But I digress; lets discuss the implications of a being similar to the modern concept of the Abrahamic God and what that means for free will or determinism.
    If God knows everything that did, does, and will happen, it's safe to say that includes your and everyone else's salvation. If God also created everything that did, does, and will exist, then there are clear and limited paths everyone will take. The limitation is that which God creates. If God is all-powerful, then he would be able to alter events at his will. Finally, the concept of free will hinges on the ability to act independently of a predetermined set of outcomes.
    If God knew you before you were born, knew what would happen throughout your life, and is responsible for preceding to bring you to life, you have no free will. Why? Because you can never act in a way that wasn't foreseen, set into motion, and uninterrupted by God. You were predestined for the outcome you will receive and only God could change that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, God is at the helm of things, and maybe is controlling my free will I don't know I don't know.
      What I do know is that there is some part of me that screams in terror at the thought of his judgement being infinite, and that most people on earth are coping about the idea of God by denying he exists because to comprehend even a tiny bit is too horrifying. I mean it's amazing too but mostly terror inducing, which is why Christianity is the only sane theology about God.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Soren Kierkegaard had a similar existential dread of eternity. You should give him a read if you haven't already. My recommended reading order is The Sickness Unto Death > Fear and Trembling > Either/Or.
        >most people on earth are coping about the idea of God by denying he exists because to comprehend even a tiny bit is too horrifying
        I don't know if I'd agree with this generalization. My partner is, for all intents and purposes, an atheist. She doesn't really fear eternity so much as she doesn't feel inclined to believe it exists. She was raised by Christians and has a surface level understanding of the theology and material, but certain assumptions need to be in place for someone to interact with metaphysical concepts to begin with. This seems to be consistent with my experiences with other self-proclaimed atheists as well.
        >I mean it's amazing too but mostly terror inducing, which is why Christianity is the only sane theology about God.
        I don't quite see where you're coming from here. Are you saying that because the consequences of eternity are so incomprehensible within Christian theology that they're uniquely and rationally conclusive for an all-powerful being?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I mean my view is very Christian influence but basically Christianity solves this bridge between infinite holiness and finite sinfulness by making Jesus the sacrifice for us to bridge that gap. Christianity answers the problem of God and humanity the best for me.

          I'll give Kierkegaard a read thanks for the recommendation.

          Yes the core human sin is pride, we are too stubborn to admit God is real because we fear him, when we realized what God was and what we were in relation to him in the Garden of Eden we became scared.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Christianity solves this bridge between infinite holiness and finite sinfulness
            This is a gap that only needs to be bridged when you've accepted its existence through the very theology that is used to bridge it. For a significant portion of the population it's just not a consideration that crosses the mind.
            I'm not attributing anything shameful or ignorant to you- I don't know you. But divorced from the solutions themselves, the problems you pose aren't universal. At least in the sense that they require the theology you're proposing to be constituted as problems in the first place. They're also not unique to Christianity and, when framed in their respective theologies, have different conclusions.
            I don't agree with the claim that Christianity is the only sane theology about God. I would be in agreeance if it was rephrased as "Christianity provides the most logical representation of God within its own framework." If you're staring down Naraka or Matartas, you would have very different concepts of a divine plan and what kind of god/gods set it into motion.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Indeed I don't believe in any moral framework because there is no other than the truth of Christ, I believe that the truth of Christianity and Christ is so self evident than any other way is a corruption and a damnation of he who pursues it.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For the experience of the elect in heaven. He could plant false experiences theoretically, but that would be deceptive and illogical.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    magna cum laude

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      cum laude

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Summa is higher than magna. "Magna cum laude" is Latin for "with great distinction." "Summa cum laude" translates as "with the highest distinction."

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He doesn't know everything
    easy

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