If Jesus is God, why didn't he just give the apostles some magical camera with video proof of all his miracles?

If Jesus is God, why didn't he just give the apostles some magical camera with video proof of all his miracles?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus did supposedly magic his face onto some cloth.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Photos are graven images

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The commandments don't apply to God

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, then why do *you* think Jesus didnt let himself be photographed?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because the camera did not exist in the 1st century. That's my theory.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      New reason everyone is going to hell just dropped.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So imageboards are fricked.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don't believe that.

      >It would be a lot easier to be convinced if there was some sort of proof.
      Unbelief has nothing to do with proof. In reality, atheists reject God because of their own pride and love of sin, and "muh proofs" is just a smokescreen to make themselves appear justified in their immorality.

      >Let me tell you what you want

      Is this board just full of shitposting teenagers? Christian arguments here just reek of that contrarian doubling down. Just layers of le irony.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This.
      /thread
      Not even gonna read anything past this post.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Luke 16:31 "He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would be a lot easier to be convinced if there was some sort of proof. If the medieval church had some flying orb laying around that could project holographs of Jesus' miracles then they'd have converted the whole world in a few decades.

      Well, then why do *you* think Jesus didnt let himself be photographed?

      I just assume he had no godly powers.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It would be a lot easier to be convinced if there was some sort of proof.
        Unbelief has nothing to do with proof. In reality, atheists reject God because of their own pride and love of sin, and "muh proofs" is just a smokescreen to make themselves appear justified in their immorality.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tell that to the sentinelese

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think it would mean much to them

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah they probably don't have a word for atheism anyway.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do you think most Buddhist Monks are prideful? Do you think they love sin?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Think. Fast. Wait.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Uh no. If God appeared in the sky, heck even just an angel (and others along with me saw it so I know it wasn't schizophrenia) I would be the most devout believer ever

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn't this really contradict the larger story of Christianity? Gentiles didn't give a crap what Moses and the prophets said, but then they were convinced after Jesus rose from the dead. Imagine how many more would've been convinced if there was actually proof.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Doesn't this really contradict the larger story of Christianity?
        No.
        >Gentiles didn't give a crap what Moses and the prophets said
        Many of them did, they were called the God-fearers and they were the bedrock of the early church.
        >but then they were convinced after Jesus rose from the dead
        The apostles bore the message to the israelites and the Gentiles in the same way: preaching what they had witnessed, and refuting the errors of those who disagreed.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Doesn't this really contradict the larger story of Christianity?
        No.
        >Gentiles didn't give a crap what Moses and the prophets said
        Many of them did, they were called the God-fearers and they were the bedrock of the early church.
        >but then they were convinced after Jesus rose from the dead
        The apostles bore the message to the israelites and the Gentiles in the same way: preaching what they had witnessed, and refuting the errors of those who disagreed.

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        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Very interesting. But what motive would Luke have to deny that Jesus raised Lazarus? Especially when he has Jesus resurrect that other girl.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I suppose the parable of Lazarus comes from a source that didn't know anything about any resurrection on the part of Jesus, and was copied into Luke despite sitting uneasily with the Widow of Nain story. A little narrative tension is not completely impossible. A reader more inclined to harmonize might try to find a meaning even more parabolic than the one usually gleaned from it.
            I also think it's just barely possible that some were saying that the beloved disciple was Lazarus (this has been suggested before, IIRC the argument is Lazarus is the only disciple explicitly said to be loved by Jesus, and Lazarus stops being mentioned as soon as the beloved disciple starts being mentioned, and also the anxiety over the death of the beloved disciple at the end of John takes on a new light if we suppose he was raised from the dead by Jesus), and the parable - or the choice of name in the parable - represents antagonism between one tradent and the Johannine community.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also I might add the reverse is possible, and John is deliberately refuting the parable by emphasizing the resurrection of Lazarus as a salvific sign. The only problem with that is, it's somewhat more difficult to make excuses for a new Biblical personage who is apparently a disciple of Jesus than it is to put a parable on Jesus's lips. We have books full of logia of Jesus everyone agrees are fake so we know it happened, but wholesale fabrications of disciples takes a little more chutzpah

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The simpler explanation is that the author of John didnt like the message of Luke's Lazarus parable, and rewrote it so that Jesus really DID raise Lazarus from the dead.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't Jesus just tell everyone in the world he was God? Why twelve people in judea?

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus is the Devil Satan of hell Earth.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there were no apostles silly billy cuz there was no jesus yanker wanker

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because then you wouldn't need faith

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

      Every time I use faith to mean belief that god exists, Christians say that this is not what it means and instead it actually means trust, such as trust that god is good, will forgive you etc. On the other hand, when people ask for empirical evidence for the existence of god, Christians reply that if we had it, we wouldn't need faith.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >On the other hand, when people ask for empirical evidence for the existence of god, Christians reply that if we had it, we wouldn't need faith.
        I would say it's easier to find things which aren't empirical evidence of the existence of God.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >requires faith as an arbitrary requirement for no reason

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >for no reason

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

      Abraham directly talked to God and experienced miracles. Are you implying he had no need for faith?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      seems something a cult leader would say

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus is Lucifer, his Apostles devils, Bibles say. Shame on them! Their videos evil.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because he hates you and wants to do burn in hell for being skeptical and not a 80IQ moron.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God gave humanity the entire Old Testament as a photograph of Jesus

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sky Mammy and Sky Pappy are real tho anons. There, in the Sky!

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because you wouldn't believe it anyways.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why not?

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Better yet, if God wanted the whole world to know about Jesus's saving passion and resurrection, which we can infer he did by the apostles being sent to minister to all nations, why didn't God miraculously announce that passion to all nations, instead relying on human missionaries to slowly spread the word? By relying on humans, it meant that whole nations could go whole generations living and dying without knowledge of Christ, with the extreme case of the entire population of the Americas having no chance to learn of Jesus for almost 1500 years until they were finally reached by the Christian mission. If God wanted everyone to know of Christ and the salvation he provides, and God is omnipotent, then why didn't God use that omnipotence to instantly and universally spread the Good News?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still want an answer to this.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >2000 year old chinese whispers is important guise

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because in his infinite wisdom only people back then deserved miracles and today we just have to believe in the social gossip from israelites from 2,000 years ago.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >For God so loved the world
    >So loved
    In the sense that this is how he loves us, he's giving people a chance to choose out of their free will, if it was mega obvious there would be no risk, no drama, no dedication.
    But who's to say?

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He could have written down some shit as well instead of leaving it to a reconstruction of an anonymous story written half a century later in a foreign land in a foreign language by someone who never met him.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Calling someone reddit when you don't have a response isn't a rebuttal

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To have faith is to explicitly not use reason. Reason is what makes a human different from a chimp. Don't be a chimp.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because He doesn't care about satisfying some 21st century morons ever changing standard of proof

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