If nothing exists beyond the material world, how do we explain consciousness and thinking?

If nothing exists beyond the material world, how do we explain consciousness and thinking? Defining them as emergent phenomena from physical brain processes opens a can of worms allowing gods to exist as the emergent phenomena of macro-scale systems such as planets and even galaxies.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not sure about the second half, but yeah, that's basically where the idea of the soul and substance dualism comes from.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how do we explain consciousness and thinking?
    emergent processes from the sum of all our sensory inputs

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >nothing exists beyond the material world
    If that were true, how would that knowledge benefit us? If that were false, how would that knowledge harm us? tldr; it's nihilistic garbage engineered to demoralise you and separate you from the creator

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If that were true, how would that knowledge benefit us? If that were false, how would that knowledge harm us?
      it wouldn't
      >tldr; it's nihilistic garbage engineered to demoralise you and separate you from the creator
      you're comedically missing the point

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Materialism isn't real. Nothing that matters in life is material. Love isn't material, relationships aren't material, art isn't material. Materialism is just a shitty thought experiment for morons and a control mechanism to make people depressed and nihilistic. It should be discarded the moment you realise that instead of giving even another thought.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah thats cool man except we live in reality where material things matter quite a lot
          > Materialism is just a shitty thought experiment for morons and a control mechanism to make people depressed and nihilistic.
          or maybe you're just a depressed and nihlistic moron, materialism has nothing to do with this

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if you believe the world is effectively meaningless and we're all going to fluffy cloud land when we die...wouldn't that make you the nihlistic one?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's a naive notion of materialism. Learn about non-reductionist materialisms

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how do we explain consciousness and thinking?

    We don't. Nobody has an explanation for it.

    Did you think some random anon secretly has the answer to the greatest philosophy question of all time? Did you think you were going to get a satisfying answer?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes we do. God crucified Himself in Man, the skull of man. Where things seen are made by things unseen. Most people imagine horrific stuff, so horrific stuff happens.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What about consciousness do you think the physicalist is unable to explain?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good argument, it almost makes sense, however
    Its doubtful a universe sized brain would be anything like the christian god.
    The human brain was shaped by evolution. The universe was not.
    A universe brain would have its synapses limited by the speed of light which would make it think incredibly slow.
    Are you aware of individual cells diving in your brain right now?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >If nothing exists beyond the material world, how do we explain consciousness and thinking?
    we don't, as of yet. are you working your way towards some sort of lame argument along the lines of 'if we cannot explain something RIGHT NOW, then my book of ancient goatfricker fairy tales must be right'?
    >Defining them as emergent phenomena
    nobody does that. we assert they are emergent phenomena
    >from physical brain processes
    I hit you over the head, your consciousness switches off. why would a supernatural phenomenon do that? but if consciousness is just an emergent phenomenon, then it makes sense that damage or disturbance of the system makes emergence impossible.
    >opens a can of worms allowing gods to exist as the emergent phenomena of macro-scale systems such as planets and even galaxies.
    bullshit. there's no correspondence with consciousness-as-an-emergent-phenonemon. what needs to be explained here? the inexistent observations of gods? people being moronic on average is plenty explanation for belief in gods.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >goatfrickers!
      nice bait

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how do we explain consciousness and thinking?
    Anon I don’t know how a superconputer AI works but I don’t assume it’s inter dimensional magic instead of deferring to the people who dedicate their life to formal study of it

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how do we explain consciousness and thinking

    The brain is an organ. Just like other organs, it has developed a purpose and function. Just like you use your eyes to see, and ears to hear, the brain is used to solve problems in your environment. This is thinking and consciousness. The apparent downside of having a capable brain is stupid threads like yours, where we start questioning the organ itself. It also has a tendency to invent problems when it runs out of them, because it wants to retain it's purpose. I would argue that humans developed such capable brains because for some reason we never stop having and creating problems for it to solve.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Brain is the mind

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's call the hard problem of consciousness and we don't have an answer

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's the problem?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is no problem of consciousness. Red is the language your visual system uses to communicate a radiation frequency to the rest of your brain.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We simply lack an explanation, once lightning seemed inexplicable, or the sun and stars. They were once seen as having a supernatural cause. Our curiosity outruns our knowledge.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >If nothing exists beyond the material world, how do we explain consciousness and thinking?
    Emergent property
    >Defining them as emergent phenomena from physical brain processes opens a can of worms allowing gods to exist as the emergent phenomena of macro-scale systems
    No? That doesn't fit any serious definition of god

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