If we had definitive proof that God exists, how would humanity react?

If we had definitive proof that God exists, how would humanity react?
What if there was definitive proof that he doesn't?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >we had definitive proof that God exists, how would humanity react?
    Abrahamics would try to take credit as always despite there being no link between god and their theology
    >What if there was definitive proof that he doesn't?
    Nothing would change

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I believe fine tuning and biogenesis are both as close to a definitive proof that is possible that God exists.

    If God appeared in the sky and declared himself, it could just be aliens or the American government creating an illusion to frick with us.

    You cannot fake the minimally necessary biological information and complexity requirements to create a self-replicating cell. Lab-conditions using already created biological material don't even get us close to the basics necessary, and what tiny amounts of amino acids that could arise naturally in the primordial soup all degrade way too fast for any large sample size to arise necessary for the obscene statistical improbability of them self-arranging into even the most basic useful shapes. Homochirality on its own is an insurmountable hurdle which has never been addressed, except by using mass quantities of harvested biologically active material as catalysts. An intelligent design of some sort created life. It is inescapable that divine intervention is the only way.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >fine tuning
      doesn’t work in a multiverse. Even in this universe life is apparently rare

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There is a response to this argument that makes sense but I don't remember what it is exactly. Phillip Goff makes it in podcasts, something about the inverse gambler's fallacy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The point is that there's no evidence for a multiverse.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe no direct evidence, the reasoning behind it is sensible

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you consider it fine for your reasoning to contain a formal fallacy, then ok

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What's the formal fallacy?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Are you not reading the thread?
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_gambler's_fallacy
            >a formal fallacy of Bayesian inference which is an inverse of the better known gambler's fallacy. It is the fallacy of concluding, on the basis of an unlikely outcome of a random process, that the process is likely to have occurred many times before.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ah yeah, I made the post that brought that up. It's not evidence that we don't live in a universe with varying constants parameters obviously, just a sound defense argument

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >multiverse
        Of all the copes, this is the most extreme and the strangest.

        There is absolutely no reason to believe that there is a multiverse.
        Our universe is not infinite, and there is zero reason to believe there is any other universe, but our own, nor that there are infinite other universes.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Wouldn't necessarily have to be infinite in every way, just much larger than we can ever hope to measure and dynamic enough for certain seemingly arbitrary parameters that make life and stars etc possibly to vary from region to region.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          We already know that one universe exists. The existence of others is not a stretch. A magic sky daddy that sacrificed himself to himself to save us from what he would do to us if we didn’t believe that he did this? Yeah, that’s a stretch

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Even a probability of 0.0000000000001 is not that small in a huge universe

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Add a hundred more zeroes and you’ll be more within the appropriate range of probability.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the universe as a space is almost entirely hostile to life to a percentage you can’t even fathom
      >it’s finely tuned for life
      lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s amusing that some Christisraelites here say that any evidence of God would render faith and free will meaningless, and some say that the multifarious evidence for God is so ironclad that, presumably, non-monotheists must be moronic or mentally ill

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn’t take faith to simply believe in God. That has been the natural position of all mankind for as long as we have been around. It is general revelation, everyone is able to figure it out easily enough if they want to. What takes faith is special revelation, that is specifically believing in the God of the Bible.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It’s crazy that Christians have just missed the past several hundred years of philosophy and science where we discovered just relying on our intuition is often wrong and proof is needed to discover whether ideas and claims are true or false with certainty.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ok, hello, what does that have to do with what I said? I was differentiating the general belief in a god and the specific belief in God. If you want to talk about General Revelation though, at one time it was enough for most to realize that there was creation, and every creation has a creator. What most people did then was simply make up their own gods, but the idea that the world necessitated a creator was evident to them. For us, perhaps we need a bit more leading up to the idea, but it is the same in essence. Say you use this

            I believe fine tuning and biogenesis are both as close to a definitive proof that is possible that God exists.

            If God appeared in the sky and declared himself, it could just be aliens or the American government creating an illusion to frick with us.

            You cannot fake the minimally necessary biological information and complexity requirements to create a self-replicating cell. Lab-conditions using already created biological material don't even get us close to the basics necessary, and what tiny amounts of amino acids that could arise naturally in the primordial soup all degrade way too fast for any large sample size to arise necessary for the obscene statistical improbability of them self-arranging into even the most basic useful shapes. Homochirality on its own is an insurmountable hurdle which has never been addressed, except by using mass quantities of harvested biologically active material as catalysts. An intelligent design of some sort created life. It is inescapable that divine intervention is the only way.

            , the idea is the same, the world necessitates a creator, it doesn’t require faith to come to that conclusion. And that knowledge is accessible to all who seek it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >fine tuning
      Most of our own planet, let alone the Universe, is incredibly hostile to human life. We can only live in SOME of the relatively less hostile places by adapting ourselves.
      >biogenesis
      Made irrelevant with panspermia or even "aliens did it". Why does that mean that the creator of the entire universe decided to make humans on Earth? I don't see the logical chain.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on the type of proof for the former. Broadly, religious people would probably become more religious. Doubters would doubt what the type of God it is and likely not rely on ancient interpretations. Paranoids would think it's a devilish hoax. Scientists would stay busy exploring His creation as usual. Not all that much would change materially most likely. Not much would change is my guess. Unless it was an Armageddon type humanity-wide revelation.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The probability of a universe fine tuned for life is way way less than that.
      It‘s 1 in 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 123.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldn't make a difference

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kek theists cant meme

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        lol you have to be kidding
        This is how it actually goes down and we all know it. [...]

        You're just making it clear that atheists are bad at philosophy and can't do simple logic

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Anon your version doesn’t work because Christians never pull out proof or a magic trick where prayer makes something happen in front of them when promoted.
          It goes down exactly like this

          https://i.imgur.com/mY03dxB.jpg

          Kek theists cant meme

          every single time.
          I seriously wanted to convert to Christianity and all I wanted was proof I gave up because all Christians do is make excuses or do the equivalent of “you can’t prove I can’t fly”

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            what kind of proof are you looking for? There is plenty of evidence for the Christian God and not a single good argument against his existence

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Your lack of any kind of proof and skittish shyness when asked for proof is a fantastic argument against the existence of your god
            Christians never presenting proof and making excuses why they can’t post it is a glaring red flag that you have absolutely nothing.
            This thread will die and no Christian will post proof of their god.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/xNgtY0a.jpg

            >There is plenty of evidence for the Christian God and not a single good argument against his existence

            Not sure what else I expected from atheists

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I propose a way to ascertain whether your god exists.
            Take representatives from all major religions including Christianity and have them try to light up wet firewood using only prayer.
            If a representative of a religion manages to do this, I will accept that his religion is true.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No you wouldn't. You would say it was a hallucination or a demon did it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >There is plenty of evidence for the Christian God and not a single good argument against his existence

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      lol you have to be kidding
      This is how it actually goes down and we all know it.

      https://i.imgur.com/mY03dxB.jpg

      Kek theists cant meme

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/mY03dxB.jpg

      Kek theists cant meme

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >30 year old data
        Hmmm wonder why you’re not posting the recent numbers. I wonder how they’ve changed…

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Learn to take a joke friend.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Oh I’m not offended I’m just wondering why you’re using 30 year old data on religious vs. non religious suicide rates. I guess the joke you’re trying to make wouldn’t work if you used updated ones 🙂

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, you are probably right. Well done. However, perhaps this is why people do not like to spend time with you. Which is why, as I said, you could take a joke once in a while.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You’re such a poor victim, babe. I hope you feel better tomorrow 🙂

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry honey (winkey smileyface) baby doll just make sure your meme is peer 🙂 reviewed next time. I'm not mad or mentally ill btw 😉

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          my apologies, here are the up-to-date statistics on atheist suicide

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think you might be bad at parsing data if you think atheist = trans
            Maybe get out more little guy

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I’m surprised by the lack of Hindu suicide.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >brownoid christBlack person golems thrive in clownworld
        We know kek
        >massa rabbi sez I's gone live in a magic castle if i bes a good goy
        Yes Jamal, just keep going to work for Mr. Shekelberg lol

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >definitive proof that God exists
    The Bible, the Church, miracles, the martyrs, modern saints, and the empty tomb.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So a israelite book and a bunch of made-up stories.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Explain, Atheists
    If God doesn't exist and there is no universal morality then what is the scientific explanation for my desire to turn that plump boy scout's bubble butt into a Boston creme donut?
    ANSWER ME

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Any kind of proof would never be accepted by a great deal many people. They would just say it's a government program like project Blue beam or something. Nothing would convince them.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >If we had definitive proof that God exists, how would humanity react?
    Immanuel Kant

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I would convert to that religion if it was the god of a religion.
    If not I’d live life as normal with a new cool fact

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing would change.
    Its like the pharisees when they saw Jesus miracles and concluded: 'We have to kill Him.'
    What determines openness to God is repentance, not miracles.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You know what’s cool about things that are real is that you don’t need to front load belief with any kind of emotional charge
      The proof just stands on its own to a sober mind in a regular stable mood.
      Imagine if I told you you’ll only believe in fairies if you feel guilty about not believing in them first

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is enough proof out there showing a Creator - intelligent design being an important factor.

    Look at what secular humanity has - an ever evolving set of beliefs which cannot by definition ever be truth along with an incurable addiction to money and perceived wealth. This system is built upon discrimination once anyone gets a title elevating them above another or has more perceived wealth than another.

    The wealth addiction program isn't why God put people on this planet. It's just Baal religion/worship all over again and makes this earth the most diseased version it can be.

    Check out what Baal worship is all about.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >a commie Christian
      Good on you for being consistent but the god of Christianity still isn’t real.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We do have definitive proof, you clowns just ignore it. You've been psyop'd so hard by empiricism that you silly billies have willfully denied the possibility of knowledge, without looking into what you've clowns just stated.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i genuinely believe nothing would change at all.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Really love when the schizoids wheel out the "there's proof, you just won't accept it" and then refuse to post the proof

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