>If you acknowledge that something in the Bible is allegorical you are making a concession to atheism.

>If you acknowledge that something in the Bible is allegorical you are making a concession to atheism.
The only reason atheists think this is because they don't understand the mindset of ancient religious people at all. The entire point of mythology was that truths that exist outside of history were continually being repeated within it. So history was actually just a symbol, while eternity was the whole truth. Time also wasn't seen as some linear, fixed thing so the degree to which historical details of the past were "accurate" was less relevant.

Even if you're too blind to see the point of this approach and it appears meaningless to you, the fact of the matter is that is how the authors did things. The "contradictions" in the Gospels are complimentary, they could all be only 5% historically accurate and they would still be valuable theological works. Again, nothing I'm saying is innovative, if you disagree you simply don't know much about ancient religious people, pagan and Christian alike. The Bible's metaphors aren't "just a metaphor" because metaphor is a valuable form of communication. With one symbol you can communicate something profound to someone who was meant to understand it without revealing too much to the unenlightened.
>And the disciples came up and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” And he answered and said to them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to those people it has not been granted.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I agree with you but as far as I know pretty much every non heretical Abrahamic religion takes the Bible literally.
    That's the problem.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Religions are only properly represented by their best sages. Peasants will always distort the truth.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "Heretics" were the ones who read it literally. Marcion especially, and the church fathers criticized him for it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The opposite, every non-heretical christian denomination has people specifically trained to interpret and explain the bible to the laymen. They're called priests.
      The only ones who take it literally are american protestants and american atheists.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >as far as I know pretty much every non heretical Abrahamic religion takes the Bible literally.
      Expand your search, and be open to finding the ones that don't take it literally.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The entire point of mythology was that truths that exist outside of history were continually being repeated within it.
    Explain the truth of the floating zoo.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its what carl sagan was discussing in pale blue dot.
      Life is fragile and our numbers are small but if we honor the truth it will honor us.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        The earth is the ark.
        Noah represents the small number of people, even one family, that is necessary in order to give credit to the human race.

        >no flood
        You failed.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I didnt say no flood

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its what carl sagan was discussing in pale blue dot.
      Life is fragile and our numbers are small but if we honor the truth it will honor us.

      The earth is the ark.
      Noah represents the small number of people, even one family, that is necessary in order to give credit to the human race.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The earth is the ark.
        But there's already the earth in the flood myth, which is... you know, the earth that gets flooded, and becomes available again after 40 days or whatever? And the ark is a temporary shelter that Noah built?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dont be an butthole. The space in which life perserveres becomes limited for a while and noah shows its worth. Its not worth being this obtuse.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was the resurrection allegorical?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The question you should ask is whether you'd still honor it if it was. Every honest christian would. Why wont you?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously not.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Correction: yes it was but it was also a historical event. God uses symbolism in history all the time.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not obvious at all

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're right but you've also not read the gospel. It becomes obvious when you read the thing that they want you to know it actually happened and that everyone was calling bullshit at the time.
          Like the conclusions of quantum physics arent "obvious" until youve actually read the material.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's fine to view the bible as allegorical or mythological in order to tell a story. the problem is that it leaves you on a very shaky foundation to claim anything from it is real and furthermore what morals the bible is meant to uphold. was the resurrection of jesus real? it's even more impossible than a world-ending flood, so why believe one if not the other?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you admit that some part of it is true, why dont you bother searching for which part?
      >because i dont need to
      >i dont have the time
      >i can get morals eslewhere
      But that same book does away with the ambiguity when it says at the burning bush
      >i am that i am
      It doesnt matter if its allegorical or not.
      It claims objective truth.
      Again in the new testament
      >nobody gets to the father except through me
      >i am the way
      >i am the truth
      >i am the light
      If you believe it has credibility, whats your reason for rejecting those parts?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        because it's then easy to claim that the bible is a set of parables and allegories teaching you how to live a good life and contribute to society and not a promise of a literal after life ruled by an actual omnipotent god who will punish you for having buttsex.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But its not "easy" at all.
          If jesus says he's the one and only way then when he says dont sin, you dont. Life everlasting or not.
          If hell is allegorical suffering or real suffering, you only have one option and that is to avoid it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's apparently so easy that you didn't disagree with me at all, just claimed that despite it being not objective you still have to follow it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If the right thing in both scenarios remains constant, its objective.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it means that the writers of the bible believed it was objective. that's all.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Right but if you're going to give them credibility then why would you suddenly stop when its inconvenient?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    During the period where Christians could enforce their delusional nonsense through various means, all the fairy tales in the bible were considered literal and unquestionable. And now...as Christians lose power, they concede word by word the divine inspiration of their israeli myths, isn't it interesting that when they are desperate they commit what they once punished people for? The Christian decides what is literal and allegorical at his convenience, in order to weasel out of an argument.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >During the period where Christians could enforce their delusional nonsense through various means, all the fairy tales in the bible were considered literal and unquestionable.
      that's not true. literalism in religion has arisen in islam and christianity specifically as the world has become more liberal and science-based.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Koran punishes apostasy and heresy by death, and the Roman Empire when it became Christian, criminalised apostasy and heresy. Literalism only is seen as a distinct phenomenon after the enlightenment because previously it was accepted by the vast majority.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >During the period where Christians could enforce their delusional nonsense through various means, all the fairy tales in the bible were considered literal and unquestionable.
      that's not true. literalism in religion has arisen in islam and christianity specifically as the world has become more liberal and science-based.

      These are both oversimplifications assuming the world was a hivemind. There have always been literalists and then people who try to pose as believers, even though they think it's all just an allegory. Both types of thought have always existed. And the latter has always been wrong, despite the fact that it's gone through countless iterations.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you stepped back in time several hundred years, during the height of Christendom, and dared deny the Genesis account as literal, you would undoubtedly suffer severe consequences.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not as bad as what the world does to people now for affirming the Bible over the ideology of the month.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The only reason atheists think this is because they don't understand the mindset of ancient religious people at all.
    Which is everything is literal until proven wrong at which point it was always allegorical? Nobody for example viewed the Exodus as allegorical until archeology proved that there never was a mass migration from Egypt to the Levant.

    The issue of the bible being filled with allegories is that it devalues any literalism and it's why biblical literalists and young earth creationists exist. Think of it like this I write an autobiography, and there are a few stories in it that are mentioned or heavily implied to be apocryphal (comparable for example to the prodigal son story), but most of it is literal. Later on some of my autobiography that isn't suggested at any point to be allegorical or apocryphal is proven to be wrong, then more parts, and more parts. Now given that would a reasonable person think "everything that isn't proven wrong is true and happened to Anon" or would they think "Anon's autobiography is an unreliable source"?

    If one part is allegorical with no implication it weakens the defense of everything else
    >The world wasn't created in seven literal days as the bible describes
    >Adam and Eve is just an allegory
    >The great flood is an allegory
    >Abraham and Israel are allegorical characters
    >The Exodus and subduing of Canaan is an allegory
    >The united kingdom of Israel under Saul, David, and Solomon is an allegory
    >The story of Esther is an allegory
    >The story of Jonah is an allegory
    >The story of Daniel is an allegory
    You are here
    >The acts of the apostles are allegorical
    >Revelations is allegorical
    >Jesus' life is an allegory
    >Salvation is an allegory

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Nobody for example viewed the Exodus as allegorical until archeology proved that there never was a mass migration from Egypt to the Levant.
      I don't believe that's true actually.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You know it means something other than its literal value but then you dont bother finding it. You just waste time arguing against god. Why?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You know it means something other than its literal value but then you dont bother finding it.
        You can find value beyond it's literal value but that's beside the point, the core issue at play is "is Christianity true?" When things are proven wrong and retroactively considered allegory than it illustrates a weakness of the source. If Jesus never existed than there is no point to being Christian. Maybe you should follow Christian ideas of morality, but the core idea of the Christian faith is wrong and going to church is a waste of time and praying to God is pointless.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Radiochan

    Are you extremely literal minded? Do you have crippling autism?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God is allegorical. Jesus Christ's resurrection is allegorical and contains multiple layers of meaning.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >valuable theological works
    So, not the direct word of God as they used to claim?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      those claims were allegorical. Both true and not quite true at the same time

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