>infinity denominations, many of which disagree on basic points

>infinity denominations, many of which disagree on basic points
Why didn't he make himself more clear?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He likely never existed. There are no firsthand accounts of Jesus or his ministry. The earliest gospels we have were written decades after the purported crucifixion by second-third hand sources, after all.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      John and Matthew were first hand. Also Paul and James.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Paul
        explicitly said he did not meet him in person.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Still spoke to him.
          >Papyrus 37 is an early copy of the Gospel of Matthew in Greek that dates to around 250–260 CE
          >copy
          >The Gospel of John was likely written between 90 and 110 CE
          >likely

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You realize we don't have any earlier copies though, right? Meaning around the 2nd century is when they were beginning to write down these stories in the first place.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not really.

            We also don't have any copies of John from 90-110 AD, that's just an estimate as to when it may have been written. In all likelihood, the first version was probably written sometime in the 2nd century.

            Not really.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "Not really" isn't a refutation. Read up on the history of the Gospels yourself if you don't believe me.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not going to spend time refuting an unsubstantiated opinion like
            >Meaning around the 2nd century is when they were beginning to write down these stories in the first place.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If there's no copies of a book before a certain time, why would it be more likely it was originally written decades-a century earlier? Your view is the one that requires a greater leap of faith.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because it was written by a persecuted group of people who weren't likely to be slinging copies of their book around until they had the numbers to make that a safer act.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We still would've found at least ONE copy from the 1st century if indeed a first-hand account did exist, no?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not necessarily.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We also don't have any copies of John from 90-110 AD, that's just an estimate as to when it may have been written. In all likelihood, the first version was probably written sometime in the 2nd century.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i was struck by the sun and joe biden appeared before me. wanna listen to his gospel?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Let's hear it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I thought Paul was the tax collector named Saul and Jesus blinded him or some shit and then he changed his name and followed Jesus

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Holy shit you people really do not read your fricking book do you? I mean I know it's a meme but fricking hell Christians really just don't touch that fricking book outside of fortune cookie quotes.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If Jesus Christ wanted us to read a book for all the answers, then he would have wrote a book, and been done with it. Instead, the word became flesh, walked among us, was crucified, rose from the dead, and ascended to heaven.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Paul was a israeli guy who persecuted christians until jesus blinded him and told him to do XYZ after which he went on to lead the gentile christians

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Paul only ever hallucinated Jesus, he never met him pre-crucifixion

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's what i said

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You definitely didn't say he was a hallucination.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >John and Matthew were first hand
        No they weren't.
        >Papyrus 37 is an early copy of the Gospel of Matthew in Greek that dates to around 250–260 CE
        >The Gospel of John was likely written between 90 and 110 CE, though some say it may have been written as early as 60 CE. The earliest known fragment of the Gospel of John is Rylands Library Papyrus P52, which is the size of a business card and may date back to the first half of the 2nd century.

        To put that in perspective, the crucifixion was alleged to have occurred in 33 AD

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also the first copy we have of the Gospel of James is dated around 145 AD.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They get a lot wrong about basic facts of the culture, geography, language, and pre-existing religious landscape. They were either not first hand witnesses, or some of the dumbest people who ever lived.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They dont

      Fringe

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I guess it will happen to any religion. It's just how human discordance works.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He is clear, it's just that the majority of people on this Earth hate him and his word and do everything in their power to subvert and confuse it.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can’t get much clearer than “thou shall not kill”, but people do it anyway.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes because that's clearly what was being discussed, not the infinite number of parables and "well he didn't LITERALLY mean THAT" shit. Disingenuous homosexual.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If we're approaching this from a Christian perspective, it depends on what sect is true. Be more specific.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      From a spiritual perspective the Catholic Church is 100% THE CHURCH. I'm not talking from a truth value, just that it's the largest and that's where the most effort is being placed from the other side. Jesus is not concerned with truth but unity, as much as you'd like to believe so.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Where does Jesus say that?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >That they may be one, as we are one
          You can fight over doctrines all you want, it's all made up anyway, but the Catholic Church is Jesus' way of influencing the world, which the conquered Orthodox nor the shattered-into-a-million-pieces Protestants can't do as well

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So he didn't say that, and you're just a liar?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Whatever moron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's clear you're a jesuit, or a freemason, or some other satanic group, so it's funny to call someone else a moron when you're on the losing side.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            schizo

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're literally a schizophrenic protestant moron. Keep gulping down your goyslop religion.

            ok rabbi

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're literally a schizophrenic protestant moron. Keep gulping down your goyslop religion.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's clear you're a jesuit, or a freemason, or some other satanic group, so it's funny to call someone else a moron when you're on the losing side.

            Orthodoxy has been losing since the 1200s
            Catholicism has been losing since the 1500s
            Protestantism has been losing since the 1600s

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Being the largest church is not Christ’s standard. Christ’s standard is to keep God’s word pure and administering his sacraments according to his institution. It doesn’t matter how many people belong to a church if they’re getting fed false doctrine on a regular basis. All that means is that’s leading more people into false belief, into carnal security, and ultimately eternal damnation. If that false teaching grows to overcome that faith. The church can’t be measured by worldly categories or the world’s definition of success because the church is not a worldly organization. Since God gave birth to the church it has to be measured by his standard. Which is faithfulness. The church can only be judged on its faithfulness to scripture. And the Roman church fails on that standard.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nicene Christianity is not true, so about 99% of all Christians are damned right now. In fact, there really hasn't been a true church from the beginning since it neither observes the Torah nor regards God as one.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why didn't he make himself more clear?
    He made himself pretty clear. In fact, part of his ministry was to make the Bible more clear in the face of religion. In the end, it's all just about love.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why does the sinful flesh resist God’s word and try to make it more appealing to the flesh and human reason.
    I don’t know anon. You’re telling me now for the first time.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah yes. Anything that doesn't perfectly fit your flavor of christianity is just....UHHH UHH IT'S THE BIG DEVIL GUY WHO WAS TOTALLY NOT AN ALAGORY FOR THINGS HAPPENING AT THE TIME. Yes anon, you've done it. You're the one that cracked the exact code. You are so special. Anything you believe is the exact thing that was meant, obviously because YOU wouldn't be the one that's being tempted by Nero....I mean Satan. You're a special boy that knows all the special things and has everything right.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >everyone who disagrees with my exact doctrines are evil demons trying to drag me into eternal hellfire
      Why even believe in your religion if it's this weak?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he's such an omniscient god that he did not foresee all the sectarian strife.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lets say they find actual writings by Jesus...how will christians react?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Lets say they find actual writings by Jesus...how will christians react?
      It'll probably go something like this
      >Jesus writes in his book: "I am a israelite, I am not God, God is one. Follow the Torah and be circumcised and baptized. Do not worship idols, do not defile yourself with unclean food nor do that which is spiritually unclean. Do not pray or speak to the dead. Separate yourself from gentiles and do not do what they do."
      To which Christians will say
      >but muh paul
      >but muh john
      >but we are dead to the Law!
      To which Jesus will say
      >Away from me, you workers of lawlessness, I never knew you!

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why didn't he make himself more clear?
    Because it's a mishmash of israeli myths and the authors couldn't keep the story straight. The Jesus character contradicts himself multiple times. Paul a contradicts Jesus. The gospel is contradict each other. Denominations are based on whatever somebody prefers regarding any issue. The Bible is so contradictory that it's essentially open-ended and you can ala carte whatever you like.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >explains Christianity to OP
    >OP pretends to be moronic
    >explain Christianity to OP again
    >OP pretends to be moronic
    >explain Christianity to OP again
    >OP pretends to be moronic
    >explain Christianity to OP again
    >OP pretends to be moronic
    >explain Christianity to OP again
    It's an endless cycle.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because humans are fricking moronic and Christianity is the religion of over 2 billion people. Of that sample space a majority of which likely have very rudimentary knowledge of the gospels and church fathers.
    The path is entirely laid out by Jesus and his followers, most cannot be bothered to learn it, it’s easier to be a passive Christian, and it’s easier for morons like OP to say it’s too complicated so it can’t be true.

    You will never understand the divine, your fate is to toil in the mud like a peasant and be oppressed by central bankers.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He definitely should been more clear about Peter and papal supremacy, protestantism wouldnt have been so successful if the schism didn't happen. Is the roman pontif the head of the church yes or no. We could easy say Jesus caused division and loss of souls amont christians. Speaking in paraboles, what a douche.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isn’t it just like man, you are given divine instructions from God, he tells you quite simply how to live and what commandments are the most important.

      >but you didn’t establish a church bureaucracy before you died
      >but you spoke in parables even though you clearly explain the meaning of your parables
      >but which Christians are the ‘true’ Christians and which are the lesser ones?

      I’m not surprised Revelation reveals the end of the world, I don’t know how God puts up with the stupidity of humans.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        See

        [...]

        I think the more salient point is that the original authors of the Gospels created a patchworked theology that isn't internally consistent.

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