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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What will happen when a single instruction cycle is shorter than the time it takes light to move one inch?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >inch

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >inch
        moron

        Alright, what will happen when a single instruction cycle is shorter than the time it takes light to travel 2.54 cm?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          some form of synchronicity will have to be introduced I guess though its not strictly necessary I think. Thats ~84ps given that transistors are currently at 10ps that would be quite the jump I imagine. Also if we ever get that far we would solve the energy problem since then you can just have rectennas.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Thats ~84ps given that transistors are currently at 10ps that would be quite the jump I imagine
            * for a cpu instruction in silicon. If I remember right we have faster switches available in the fs region but those all depends on lasers and are mostly lab only.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Thats ~84ps given that transistors are currently at 10ps that would be quite the jump I imagine
            * for a cpu instruction in silicon. If I remember right we have faster switches available in the fs region but those all depends on lasers and are mostly lab only.

            Thanks.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >inch
      moron

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine if computers used tardunits. A word would be a dozen bits. The next unit of data would be a Large Coke.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >inch

        Imperial measurements are better if you can do fraction arithmetic in your head. Metric is better when you're using a calculator.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >moving a comma needs a calculator but dividing square burgers per yard nachos is an easy mental task

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Skill issue.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >easy mental task
            (not) 4u

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          @ No.100422096
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          mils are the best unit of measurement for length
          joules are the best unit for energy
          there is still no good unit for mass/weight

          >12 inch to a sneaker, 3 obese feet to a yard, 1760 yards to a mile
          ah yes, much better and simplier to calculate in your head than the over complicated metric system
          >1000 mm to a meter, 1000 meter to a kilometer
          >1000 grams to a kilogram
          >1000 ml to a litre
          >any other fricking unit, chances are its still 1000X to a kiloX

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >need to hang a picture on 2 nails on a wall
            >"better make it straight"
            >pressure is on
            >locate the first hole
            >now measure its distance from the popcorn ceiling to replicate it 3 ouncebugers to the right
            >"ah this hole does appear to be exactly 15.6 (42524.452/23525.42524)th inches from the ceiling, that's so easy to remember!"
            metricgays btfo

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Express 1/3 of an inch in decimal value

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Tachyons

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      Alright, what will happen when a single instruction cycle is shorter than the time it takes light to travel 2.54 cm?

      >What will happen when a single instruction cycle is shorter than the time it takes light to move one inch?
      The frequency is higher than 11.77 GHz.

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      mils are the best unit of measurement for length
      joules are the best unit for energy
      there is still no good unit for mass/weight

      least autistic electrical engineer

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Intel is a mess.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Intel is a waste.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Intel is a big fat mess.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Good. They ditched hyperthreading too. It will be more performant and consume less energy.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

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    mils are the best unit of measurement for length
    joules are the best unit for energy
    there is still no good unit for mass/weight

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you quoting like this, moron?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        A new generation of mentally moronic attention seeing shutposters.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      gram per cm3

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      comically bad bait, or underage b&

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This is the problem that happens when you destroy specialization. There are cases where higher frequencies are more important and there are cases where there are other higher priorities.

    To fix this people would need to know why and what they are purchasing so that we could choose between the appropriate segments. While people are buying because of advertisements or because someone else (usually trying to justify their purchase) said so there is no hope for the manufacturers to properly segment their offerings.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Frequency is not a direct measurement of performance.
      Remember when Intel Core 2 Duo destroyed Pentium 4 in single threaded performance while having way slower frequencies? https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/1668vs1081/Intel-Core2-Duo-E6700-vs-Intel-Pentium-4-3.80GHz

      Good. They ditched hyperthreading too. It will be more performant and consume less energy.

      There's nothing wrong with HT other then Intel's incompetence with it. AMD's implementation can achieve 100% scaling on full integer loads like 7-zip.

      Thats gonna happen to AMD as well. By the next decade or two, we will all daily drive thin clients/laptops with efficiency cores only "for the environment" . Prices of actually powerfull computers will skyrocket and will only be used by people with some serious work to do. Mark my words.

      In contrast to Intel, AMD's "efficiency" cores are fully functional, they differ by using a more space-efficient silicon library and smaller caches. They are not an incompatible completely separate Atom-class designs like Intel E-cores and LPE-cores.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        This isn't the same situation as netburst that sacrificed IPC for clock frequency.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Was meant to reply to

          This is the problem that happens when you destroy specialization. There are cases where higher frequencies are more important and there are cases where there are other higher priorities.

          To fix this people would need to know why and what they are purchasing so that we could choose between the appropriate segments. While people are buying because of advertisements or because someone else (usually trying to justify their purchase) said so there is no hope for the manufacturers to properly segment their offerings.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          And why is that? Because you think so?
          Is xxx Lake the pinnacle of CPU design? Of course not, and there's nothing stopping them from having a core that has more IPC.
          We've been increasing IPC for most of the history of CPUs, but somehow NOW it's not going to happen all of a sudden? Delusional.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >This isn't the same situation as netburst that sacrificed IPC for clock frequency.

          It is practically the same situation. 7800x3d is within single digits of the 14900k despite running at half the TDP, having half the threads and a third of the cores, and running 20% lower clocks.

          The only thing Intel has is DDR4 support and better power saving features (Ryzen only goes down to C3, Intel goes down to C10 - you can get an Intel board running single digit watt idle, good luck getting a Ryzen down below 25W). AMD is dominating them in the CPU market in every other field.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >you can get an Intel board running single digit watt idle, good luck getting a Ryzen down below 25W

            I'm watching a stream right now, is this number not reported accurately?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It's accurate for the cores, but doesn't include the SoC. I'm not sure what that dumbass is talking about saying 25W is hard to drop below though. My 5800X3D is currently pulling ~17W sitting "idle" (with Firefox, Steam, uBittorrent, HWiNFO and some other stuff open), measured direct from the VRM rather than any in-chip sensors.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            scroll up to cpu package power, dumbass

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You're a fricking moron, dude. You don't even understand what you're looking at. Those numbers are direct from the output side of the VRM. I'm not interested in what a less accurate sensor on the chip itself says.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            scroll up and post the screenshot, moron

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not posting anything, you disingenuous homosexual. I won't be dragged down to your level. YOU scroll down and post the numbers from the more accurate sensor. Oh wait, whatever Pajeet-tier B450 board you're using likely doesn't have a VR VOUT and POUT reading (the most accurate readings you can get without a multimeter, and what you'll find people like Buildzoid using), because it costs money to implement that stuff.

            If you want more education on how to properly measure a CPU's power draw then you're going to need to pay me. Otherwise keep living in ignorance about whatever your moronic gaymer overlay says citing a sensor that might as well be a random number generator.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            a cpu's sensor is 10x more accurate than a mobo one. enjoy your 20W idle

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >a CPU knows better about how much power the VRM is outputting than the VRM itself
            I accept your concession.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            enjoy your 30W idle

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I want one device that can do everything sufficiently. It's that simple. I want the monolith.
      We're taking many steps backwards because of Intel's incompetence and complacency, and also big daddy ZOG wanting to keep unmonitored and locally hosted LLM models and training out of the hands of the public.

      They don't want the public to have the means to synthesize illegal content and wrong think in private.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >We're taking many steps backwards because of Intel's incompetence and complacency, and also big daddy ZOG wanting to keep unmonitored and locally hosted LLM models and training out of the hands of the public.
        Intel is the company betting the most on local models, that’s the point of their "AI PC" push (which is an absolutely stupid term)

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Thats gonna happen to AMD as well. By the next decade or two, we will all daily drive thin clients/laptops with efficiency cores only "for the environment" . Prices of actually powerfull computers will skyrocket and will only be used by people with some serious work to do. Mark my words.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing in your post sounds bad to me. Video games are already well beyond what's acceptable in terms of specs.

      Also can you imagine what would happen if the environment cult learned just how inefficient current software actually is? The amount of energy being wasted brute forcing jeetcode is likely an insane figure.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >"for the environment"
      Yep. Environmentalism is officially an elite control mechanism over the pleb class.
      They are making money selling environmental protocols to enslave you now.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Might you be a Time traveler?

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    read: "we had to make sacrifices to fit the new AI shit into IME"

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >I can't clock

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    When politicians got scared that AI and GPUs would steal their voters, GPUs came out with shitty amounts of RAM.

    Now CPU speeds are regressing?

    Has there been a recent advance in CPU-based AI that has got governments trying to slow down CPUs too?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Now CPU speeds are regressing?
      If CPUs are already surplus to requirement then they're not actually regressing at all.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >surplus to requirement
        Companies have data centers full of CPUs. I'm not talking about your desktop.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Who cares about intel until they release 20A node with backside power delivery that outperforms AMD at same wattage

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    @ No. 100423455
    Get a life.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Oh, they learned from NetBurst again? Let me know when they ditch the crap tier E cores and i might start buying again.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >LLM models
    i meant tools
    you know what i mean

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Who are you talking with you antisocial moron.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if this will be their new Core 2 moment, or if this will just bring their power efficiency in line with Zen 4 just in time to get outmatched by Zen 5.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because, chasing clockspeed at expense of power consumption and going far beyond efficiency curve is a silly exercise. Leave that to the extreme overclocking crowd like it was pre-Zen+/pre-Kaby Lake era.
    Both architectures are very efficent but market keeps trying to placate to a vocal, but shrinking minority of min-max types that are obsessive over 2% gains.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Or... convert power supplies from greenhouse emitting sources to solar and batteries on every house.
      Then power supply issues become a non issue.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      New Ryzens are already at the 80/20 point from the factory, if you enable PBO, you get to Intel levels of power consumption, for 10% gain in multicore. It's Intel who does moronic shit like 1x900KS with 300W stock.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Their beauty is that they perform just as good when you go lower and lower on wattage. They juice them so high only to guarantee all buyers that they work out of the box at advertised speeds but at least 70% of them run on very low wattage with the same performance.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      overclocked epycs are more efficient than any intel at any clock speed when it comes to crypto mining.

      Is higher Hz more quantity or better quality?

      depends on the work load. most server applications scale better with threads rather than hz. on the desktop for me personally I find that once you have around 4 threads, more hz makes a massive different while more threads does not. i don't play games and don't know how those scale but I do remember 15 years ago clock speed made a massive difference.

      i don't know how lower clock speed could be better unless we're talking about laptops since it improves battery life and heat

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It rapidly rose from like 3ghz to like 5ghz in like 3-4 yrs recently too because of competition with AMD.
    F. I guess.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's just like going from NetBurst to Conroe.

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Intel abandoning high clock speeds on new CPUs
    Wait, are we back in 2004 again?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Possibly! But remember Conroe followed Pentium 4 so maybe Intel can do it again

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Lower Clock Speeds But More Expensive CPUs? Here's Why It May Actually Be A Good Thing

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Here's Why It May Actually Be A Good Thing
      Your CPU won't die from being driven with too much current like the previous 2 gens from Intel.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Is higher Hz more quantity or better quality?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Emulators or heavy single threaded software tend to scale with hz.
      Most old software is single threaded.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How is abandoning single core performance good?

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not knowledgable enough about processor design to say if this is a good move or not.

    Presumably that Intel has people that are. (They do)

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    intel always reduces clock speeds on new process nodes. moron clickbait headline

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