Is baptism really necessary to become christian? I thought believing would be enough.

Is baptism really necessary to become christian? I thought believing would be enough.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    baptism is a symbolic ritual

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      so is it necessary or not?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You don't need it, nor do you need to go to church. They're just markers to show in/out groups. The baptism is showing when you've officially accepted the tenets of that denomination, and are undeniably part of the group.
        Would God still accept you into Heaven, even without completing those rituals(assuming you're a good Christian follower)? Of course.
        We're social animals, so doing things like baptisms and going to church, reinforce these beliefs in us, so during those moments of weakness/doubt, you don't existential crisis yourself away.
        At least, that's how I understand it, as an atheist.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >baptism is a symbolic ritual
      >1 Peter 3:21-Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you,
      lol,lmao even

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's an initiation ritual

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ephesians 2:8-9
    >For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

    So yes, you were right OP. Baptism is just ritual for the sake of ritual.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that's what my heart tells me. believing should be enough.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Baptism is bullshit. It's a bastardization of the israeli mikveh with the following modifications:
    1. Instead of being a regular act of purification, it's a one-time thing to virtue signal.
    2. Zero ritual requirements on the water used because of point 1.
    3. Not even a blessing associated with it, it's just "YAY I DIPPED SO SKYDADDY LOVE ME NOW SOISOISOI"
    4. In some denominations like Roman Cuckoldicism, you don't even dip, it's just one drop on your forehead because beyond that it wouldn't fit point 1 anymore.
    5. And you do it on babies because despite point 1, if you don't do it you get thrown into le magic lava.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Baptismal water is blessed thoughever
      Don't be such a putz, it may not meet israeli standards, but israeli rituals can themselves be viewed as odd and silly.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >odd and silly
        That's what I think of Christian rituals.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >water is blessed
        Priest casts a spell on it?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You pray over it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What happens to the water?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            there's a special drain for it
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piscina

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, I mean, like what happens to the water. How does it change when it's blessed?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Grace.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Water turns into grace?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, that is *how* the water is affected by the blessing.

            The water is still water after being blessed, but it is holy water now because of grace. So it is effectual for the reception of grace if the baptised is faithful.

            What even is grace?

            That's hard to explain. It's one of those "you know it when you see it" things, in my experience. You'd probably get a better answer from a priest.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You'd probably get a better answer from a priest.
            "Grace gives us a new life which is not condemned by God. Through God's grace we are forgiven, transforming our thinking, resulting in the renewal of our mind and heart. Through grace we live the kind of life that God would like every one of His children to experience."
            Can you morons even google anything?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hey moron, none of that explains what grace is. Just what grace does.

            You're also quoting a pastor writing an opinion piece for a local news outlet. Not a priest, nor any confession or catechism.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >grace is
            The means that enables God to allow people to have their sins forgiven.
            >You're also quoting a pastor writing an opinion piece for a local news outlet
            And it's not going to be any different, regardless of the denomination. Grace isn't one of those things that Christians have disagreed on, at least as far as I've noticed.
            >Not a priest, nor any confession or catechism.
            You'd only need a priest, if you were a denomination that has priests. If you're a denomination that has pastors, then you wouldn't be looking to a priest for answers.

            It really does that things?
            Wow, priest magic is really something

            >It really does that things?
            I'm an atheist, so my answer is "No, it's nothing more than some water than has a higher than average chance of spreading infections, due to the storage after someone places their hands into it.
            But an actual believer in Christianity? Yeah, that's what it does. Magics are very real, which is why devout Christians don't allow their kids to read Harry Potter, go to mediums, or have dreamcatchers, etc. As they attract demons.
            >Wow, priest magic is really something
            Just wait until you discover their ability to turn crackers in Jesus' flesh, and wine/grape juice into Jesus' blood through transubstantiation.
            Now that's quite the ability.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            My take is that God can give us more grace, even if we already have grace
            Makes grace seem quantitative, rather than qualitative

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think, once you have it, you have it, until you sin. And the sin causes you to lose it. I don't think it's a quantitative or qualitative thing, but a state of being that you're in, after having your sin removed. God uses "grace" to do that to/for you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I always had the impression that God could "keep heaping grace on you"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's interesting. I'm not really sure. That could very well be. I've always heard priests/pastors talk about being in God's grace, and the cleansing that happens to your soul, from being within. And you leave God's grace, when you sin.
            There could be more to God's grace though. I'm by no means a theologian. I've just never heard anyone talk about being able to add more, it always seemed like an all or nothing concept.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >2 Peter 1:2
            It looks like it depends on the translation. I'm not the biggest fan of reading older translations with our understanding of words though. So I'd be hesitant to say that it's a literal multiplier.
            >https://biblehub.com/2_peter/1-2.htm
            >Amplified Bible
            >Grace and peace [that special sense of spiritual well-being] be multiplied to you in the [true, intimate] knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
            >Contemporary English Version
            >I pray that God will be kind to you and will let you live in perfect peace! May you keep learning more and more about God and our Lord Jesus.
            These sound more inline with how you hear priests and pastors talk about it. Rather than a literal combo multiplier of God's grace.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >quantitative, rather than qualitative

            This is a matter of great debate.

            My own opinion is that grace cannot be quantified. You don't receive "more or less" grace, it's totally abundant.

            I think, once you have it, you have it, until you sin. And the sin causes you to lose it. I don't think it's a quantitative or qualitative thing, but a state of being that you're in, after having your sin removed. God uses "grace" to do that to/for you.

            >a state of being that you're in

            Basically this. It's not just a state of being though.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It's not just a state of being though.
            What else is it?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'll borrow from the autocephalous eastern tradition. As an extension of God's energies it has its own existence independent of your personal state.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So it's a divine buff and a fren?
            OPaf.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What even is grace?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_water
            >spiritual cleansing
            >bestows blessings
            >protection against evil
            >bring healing
            Then it's used in the various rituals that happen, from burial rituals, to helping the sick, baptism, etc.
            You have the internet at your fingertips, yet you're a lazy frick who wants everything spoonfed. Sloth is one of the deathly sins.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It really does that things?
            Wow, priest magic is really something

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    False dichotomy. True faith inevitably leads to baptism. And Baptism gives the grace of the holy spirit and thus faith.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah.

    Do you need to be circumcised to be a israelite? Duh.
    It's like the updated form of circumcision.

    It has an actual effect on the state of your soul.
    Like, imagine thinking the sacraments aren't necessary to be Christian. Do you literally need to eat Christ's body and drink his blood? Of course you do, he literally said that.

    >muh belief
    Even the demons believe there is one God, per the letter of James.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Do you literally need to eat Christ's body and drink his blood?
      Depends on which denomination. Quakers don't.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Is baptism really necessary to become christian?
    No, regeneration happens before baptism. Baptism is a sign of regeneration, but the person being baptized is already saved beforehand. Baptismal regeneration is just not biblical.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    “Whoever believes and is baptized has life, and whoever does not believe is condemned.” - Mark 16:16

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think there's a fact of the matter, about what grace is

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