Is calvinism the biggest heresy ever to face Christian theology?

Is calvinism the biggest heresy ever to face Christian theology?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly northern and western Euros are incapable with Christianity, same with their America descendants.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ephesians 2:8-9
    >8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

    Calvinists are just taking the Bible at face value when it comes to Heaven/Hell. Ephesians makes clear salvation/damnation is entirely deterministic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's definitely not the meaning. Interesting that no one took this interpretation until the 16th century

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        James 2:24
        24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

        The Bible contradicts itself on this point

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, you're just homosexual. Likely because of being molested as a child

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            James 2:24 and Ephesians 2:8-9 present pretty direct contradictions to themselves.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you're not familiar with the theological terms of the Christian religion it might appear that way, but for the learned it isn't

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Exegesis is just headcanon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not talking about evangelical extropolation. Notice how it's by grace not by faith nor does it say faith alone. Faith in Christianity isn't just belief either. The idea of faith as intellectual belief isn't what the apostles had in mind. This is clear by James rebuke in chapter along with Paul in Hebrews 11 which explains faith as action and not belief only

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast

            It does say faith alone. In fact it explicitly says "not by works"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The main article is grace not faith. It's through faith which isn't just belief but rather the faith or religion of Jesus Christ. It's the grace of God in the Christian religion, not faith because remember faith as belief is an action or work. So that wouldn't make sense either since faith is a work.

            Faith as belief or works does not resurrect (save) someone, it's God on judgement day by His grace that does so. Entering into peace on the new world comes through adherence to Jesus and Christianity. The word alone isn't there either. If you read the rest of the chapter which evangelicals never do since they only go by three verses at them you'll see the complete argument. Glad I coild clear this up for ya.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Notice what Paul is comparing. It's the works of the Law vs faith or the Christian religion. He does this in almost every letter he writes. He compares how the mosiac law and it's works don't justify but that Chritianity or the faith of Christ does.

            Ephesians 2:11-14 NASB1995
            [11] Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— [12] remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. [13] But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. [14] For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The main article is grace not faith. It's through faith which isn't just belief but rather the faith or religion of Jesus Christ. It's the grace of God in the Christian religion, not faith because remember faith as belief is an action or work. So that wouldn't make sense either since faith is a work.

            Faith as belief or works does not resurrect (save) someone, it's God on judgement day by His grace that does so. Entering into peace on the new world comes through adherence to Jesus and Christianity. The word alone isn't there either. If you read the rest of the chapter which evangelicals never do since they only go by three verses at them you'll see the complete argument. Glad I coild clear this up for ya.

            >Faith as belief or works does not resurrect (save) someone, it's God on judgement day by His grace that does so.
            You're still conceding there's a contradiction here. If salvation is entirely predicated on faith, not works, then Ephesians is right and James is wrong.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No I explained that Paul's idea of faith is the Christian religion with its beliefs and works vs the works of law. He says this plainly in other books but leaves out "works of the law" in this passage probably because he assumes they know what he means. This is shown in the following verses that I posted. He shows that the gentiles where not included in the law of Moses but are in when you are in Christ.

            The whole faith vs works thing was created by Martin Luther in the 16th century. Paul in romans colossians ephesians, and Galatians argues Faith (Christianity or faith in Christ Jesus) vs the law of Moses. Many israelites who converted to Christianity said the law of Moses had to be upheld by gentiles, to combat this he wrote these many works.

            Paul says the works of Moses, the works of the law do not justify. He's not saying Christians deeds. This would contradict vs 10 which says Christians are to do good deeds in Christ Jesus.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            See

            Also Paul never met Jesus while he was alive, hence why Paul's writings consistently contradict the rest of the New Testament.

            Therein lies the issue with Pauline Christianity. It fundamentally contradicts earlier ideas, forcing Christians to invent headcanon for why the entire Bible is still narratively consistent as a result.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >muh hatred of Paul
            No. The early church accepted Paul as it has for 2000 years. You're just a heretic and you can't interact with the text in a meaningful way

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you can't interact with the text in a meaningful way
            You're the one who just conceded there's a contradiction. You also still haven't provided any explanation for it.
            >inb4 "there is no contradiction you just don't understand the text"
            If you can't explain why there's no contradiction, it seems like you don't understand it either. Or, maybe, the text just does contradict itself.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Where did I do that? Because I already denied it. If you still believe Paul is saying belief vs actions then you're moronic and I can't help you

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            See

            The main article is grace not faith. It's through faith which isn't just belief but rather the faith or religion of Jesus Christ. It's the grace of God in the Christian religion, not faith because remember faith as belief is an action or work. So that wouldn't make sense either since faith is a work.

            Faith as belief or works does not resurrect (save) someone, it's God on judgement day by His grace that does so. Entering into peace on the new world comes through adherence to Jesus and Christianity. The word alone isn't there either. If you read the rest of the chapter which evangelicals never do since they only go by three verses at them you'll see the complete argument. Glad I coild clear this up for ya.

            >it's God on judgement day by His grace that does so
            If you admit Ephesians is right about salvation being entirely dependent on God's grace (which is posited as him granting his followers faith), then you can't also argue works are essential too without contradicting that point.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Grace vs mosaic Law/works see

            How do connect the immediate preceding verses talking about gentiles and israelites? Also take note to this because you've never read his other works

            Romans 3:19-24 NASB1995
            [19] Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; [20] because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. [21] But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, [22] even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; [23] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [24] being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

            Galatians 2:15-16 NASB1995
            [15] “We are israelites by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles; [16] nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

            If you're condemned as we all were to death forever then a judge commuting your sentence is by his grace but if he says you must have faith which is indeed a work btw then it's still by grace. Faith in this context is the faith of Christ which is Christianity with its beliefs and works

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >says you must have faith which is indeed a work
            >For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 NOT by works, so that no one can boast.
            You're going in circles here

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Faith is more than belief only as I've said countless times

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            But it doesn't include works, as Ephesians makes that distinction clear (that you are saved by faith and NOT BY WORKS)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not mosaic works, his audience would have been familiar with his teaching as expressed in romans and Galatians. Did you take note of the verses I showed you? They always contrast Christianity (faith) vs works(mosaic law). They're not general works it's mosaic works. The verses following Paul's ephesians 2:9-10 show that contrast again with his talk of gentiles and israelites. He says the dividing wall which is the Law is broken down. You have to get out of the protestant faith vs work misnomer

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Only Paul makes that distinction between Christianity and israeli law.
            Matthew 5:18
            >For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.

            Jesus himself said that the law should be followed until the end of the world. It's only because of Paul (who, again, never met Jesus) that Christians today seem to think they're above Mosaic law.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            He said until it was fulfilled and guess what He fulfilled it all

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Did Heaven and Earth pass away? No?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Do you know what till means?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            up to the point in time or the event mentioned, which means that Christians are still supposed to be following the law. I wonder how many "devout Christians" Paul inadvertently sent to Hell by encouraging them not to.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >unitl all be fulfilled
            He fulfilled it all. So yeah. Paul says a gorillion times that gentiles don't need to follow the Law. But you don't believe that because you're outside fo Christ's church. Christ said He would build the church and the gates of hades will not prevail against it. You however believe the gates of hades did prevail showing that you don't believe Christ. You should change that

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            And yet Christians are only able to justify their beliefs using the Bible. Curious, no?

            No we do it through the traditions of the Apostles

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Fulfilling israeli law is not the same thing as cancelling it out and he said his followers would have to keep following it until the apocalypse (which hasn't happened yet) so your view is pure headcanon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >He says this plainly in other books but leaves out "works of the law" in this passage probably because he assumes they know what he means
            That's the weakest cope I've seen ITT.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How do connect the immediate preceding verses talking about gentiles and israelites? Also take note to this because you've never read his other works

            Romans 3:19-24 NASB1995
            [19] Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; [20] because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. [21] But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, [22] even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; [23] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [24] being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

            Galatians 2:15-16 NASB1995
            [15] “We are israelites by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles; [16] nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Also Paul never met Jesus while he was alive, hence why Paul's writings consistently contradict the rest of the New Testament.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the Bible contradicts itself on its most important section

          Fascinating. Sent as the direct, literal, perfect word of the all mighty creator of the universe you say?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The Bible is not the direct word of God moron, almost every Christian would say that it was the inspired word. I'm not even a christcuk and I know this

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And yet Christians are only able to justify their beliefs using the Bible. Curious, no?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      James 2:24
      24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      James 2:24
      24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

      Could this mean you have to have faith AND do good work? Why do people argue about this when this very quickly clears up any confusion

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because Paul says very clearly that not doing good works has no impact on your salvation. He even says why.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
        NOT BY WORKS*

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          James 2:24
          24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly, the Bible contradicts itself here.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Faith isn't a work, baka. Just like no "work" is involved in accepting a sportscar your Dad bought for you. There are however responsibilities to maintain the car, which also are hardly meritorious.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The point of the verse is that, when it comes to salvation, only faith matters. Works don't have any impact as far as whether someone is going to Heaven or Hell. That's the point the Bible contradicts itself on.

            James 2:24
            24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          James 2:24
          24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

          There is no contradiction and justification is not by works. The difference is the direction and to who you are justified before. You are justified before God by faith alone. And your works justifies your faith before men. God does not need my works

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Then that's more evidence the Calvinists are right because God alone is the determiner of salvation/damnation, not your standing amongst men.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're saying James isn't speaking to salvation/damnation, with works only speaking to your mortal standing amongst men (not even your own relation with God), meaning that Ephesians is right about salvation being deterministic (divorced from works entirely).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I never said that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            See

            [...]
            There is no contradiction and justification is not by works. The difference is the direction and to who you are justified before. You are justified before God by faith alone. And your works justifies your faith before men. God does not need my works

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That wasn't me

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How is making a new cope every time the Bible clearly says universal atonement "taking the Bible at face-value"? How do you explain the passages "Christ is the Savior ofa all men, especially those that believe" and "denying the Lord who bought them"? Can't wait to hear your Jimmy White copypasta.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Every branch of Churchianity is, yes even your sect.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw non sectarian

      I just believe in Jesus

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Calvinists follow the bible
    They trigger other chiristians because they show how moronic christianity is

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's the only logical conclusion. Omniscience implies predestination.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Faith isn't belief only according to Paul

    Hebrews 11:3-9 NASB1995
    [3] By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. [4] By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks. [5] By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God. [6] And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. [7] By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. [8] By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going. [9] By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise;

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Real talk, is there ANY passage in the Bible that talks about life after death other than the resurrection?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Ephesians 1:5
    >5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
    >2 Timothy 1:9
    >9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
    >John 6:44
    >44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
    The reality is that most christians don't even know what the bible teaches.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A bigger heresy than Catholicism?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Calvin didn't really say anything we weren't already hearing from Augustine and several others before him.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ephesians 1:3–6
    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Predestined to be conformed in the image of Christ, not predestined to accept Christ.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >heresy
    The only heresy here is pretending salvation from the bloodof God was ever meant for the dogs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, nonjews cannot be saved. You're completely right.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Galatians 3, my guy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, you said salvation isn't for the dogs alluding to gentiles. Obviously the Caananite woman had it wrong and pastor Billiebob has it right.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm a different anon you caananite Black person.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So am I

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Romans 11 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits

        I have found no trouble in identifying who is of the tree, and belongs to Israel according the the Son of God. You may struggle against the truth which you find as a bitter pill but that is your own challenge to overcome.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you, schizo

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Try not to pretend like I am the only one who has solved this puzzle, it is no secret and you only make yourself look ignorant by persisting in ignorance when shown the light.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The light is Christ. I don't know what snake-oil you are peddling but I don't want it!

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    But you have to take it to its conclusion. This means God is at fault for the fall and just wanted the fall for His glory. This also means God plans for and wants people to sin all the time and wants the people to go to hell for the exact same sins God wanted them and planned for them to do. God for example would make someone gay on purpose just to send them to hell.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They're not the worst but they're still pretty fricking awful.

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