Is China the oldest continual civilization?

Is China the oldest continual civilization?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Loaded question, China is not a "continual civilization".

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      yes it is. it uses the same language today as once carved into bones, turtle shells and bamboo strips.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        China is the oldest continual civilization, which is indicated by the continuity of its 4000 y/o 3-gated facades attached to quadrilateral enclosures, its court and managerial structures, and as pointed out, its language and writing.

        >continual
        no

        Loaded question, China is not a "continual civilization".

        >continuous
        Mongol conquest, manchu conquest very arguable end points. PRC a very definitive one. Cultural revolution counts as another breaking point all by itself.

        salty morons afraid of china who dont understand what a civilization is

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >what a civilization is
          So-o-o, what is it?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          [...]
          OP is talking about continual civilizations you fricking morons. Each "great" Indian empire only resembled each other in that they were all populated by shitskins. Compare this with the cultural, traditional, religious, and governing continuity of China.
          Theres a reason that even in the west, China is considered the "longest continual civilization".
          See [...] streetshiters, your country is and will always be a third world hell hole.

          These have still yet to been properly refuted. OP didn’t even mention India, Goes to show how rent free China lives in the mind of streetshitters, cope harder 😉

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I post this thread every once in a while because it brings out a lot of funny reactions. Thread usually starts off with anti china seething and then goes off into autistic arguments about linguistics, oh and the odd guy taking a stand for India's case

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          is civilization the minimum condition for an internal trade system?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >bones, turtle shells and bamboo strips
        I know what the standard school teaching is, but it's a strong proposition these also derived from bark, pelts, and other materials that rotted away.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's same tier of logic as stating that Modern "Macedonia" is the exact same Macedonia of Alexanders era. There are fricking white mummies found in China. For all we know they could have originally been white people that were ethnically replaced the same way Black folk/shitskins/spics are replacing people of West. Would also explain their fixation of facial hair when typical asians aren't capable of getting beards.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There are fricking white mummies found in China
      WEWUZZING is a black art form, stop appropriating

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        hes a moron who didnt substantiate his narcissistic desires, but he has a point.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          He really doesn't, he just threw the kitchen sink of surface level rebutted arguments and an insecure wewuzz attempt

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah he's a dipshit. Most of those white mummies were female so I guess they were wives, concubines, sex slaves.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Even so, who gives a shit if caucasoid remains were found in Xinjiang 5 billion kilometers away from the yellow river

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >WEWUZZING is a black art form
        No it's not you fricking moron + Afrocentrism was invented by Whites

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      no ESEA was present in the region since at least 50kya. even if caucasoid eurasians were there they were part of a multipolar world.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      In general, there are no "white mummies" in China, there are mixed, but caucasiform mummies that are no more related to "white" people than the "unibrow", "hooknosed", "shitskinned", "muslim terrorist" caucasiform peoples of the same region are.

      Why do hwites mock we wuzzing american blacks? We wuzzing seems to be their tradition as well.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        no, this reconstruction is compatible with the remains and looks west scand

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >reconstruction
          So much guesswork it borders on pseudo-science, your "familiarity" with it depends on how much you want to we wuz it.

          I care about facts, and your "people" are more related to the local muslims with unibrow than to the mummies.

          Distance to: English
          0.20237103 Pamiri_Sarikoli_China
          0.36631552 CHN_Tarim_EMBA2
          0.37295660 CHN_Tarim_EMBA1

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            im chinese i just posted that out of interest. imo skin color should be based off dna whenever possible but obviously theres a lot of room for interpretation for missing data

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            They were racial iranic peoples but yes no impact on the main populations in the eastern basins.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ainu.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Why do hwites mock we wuzzing american blacks? We wuzzing seems to be their tradition as well.
        Because Whites invented we wuzzery.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      no thats iraq

      >There are fricking white mummies found in China.
      duh? why would they paint the mummies to be yellow?
      white cloth is cheaper

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Arabs and Chinks are so fricking dumb lmao

        Legit schizos

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      yea pretty much, in the sense that you can call the current chinese regime is really a continuation of the same identity, philosophy and culture as the ancient ones.

      no it really isn't, and reading the rest of your post i now realize i shouldn't have bothered giving you a (you)

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >continuous
    Mongol conquest, manchu conquest very arguable end points. PRC a very definitive one. Cultural revolution counts as another breaking point all by itself.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Mongol conquest, manchu conquest
      Assimilated to China, not the other war round
      >PRC a very definitive one
      agreed, but the PRC is still much closer to the previous dynastic system than most modern states
      >Cultural revolution counts as another breaking point all by itself.
      explain

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Assimilated to China, not the other war round
        By the same logic Ancient Greece didn’t end with the Roman conquest of Greece

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      ok I guess british civilization only started in 1066 and not any earlier because that older civilization was permanently conquered
      russians and ukrainians have nothing to do with the kievan rus either since the mongols conquered them.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >ok I guess british civilization only started in 1066

        correct

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >russians and ukrainians have nothing to do with the kievan rus either since the mongols conquered them.
          do you actually believe this? It's okay to come clean

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Makes sense to me

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >russians and ukrainians have nothing to do with the kievan rus either
        This is unironicslly true

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >"British civilization"
        Lol you are moronic. Britain is part of Western civilization, and not a distinct civilization separate from the West

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Arbitrarily define civilization into broad or specific categories.
          So why not consider China Eastern alongside Japan, Korea, Mongolia, and Vietnam?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          by the same logic no such thing as japanese civilization

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            correct.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          separate civilizations can share the same cultural mindset. british and french civilizations can be distinct yet part of the same western civilization

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Britain is part of Western civilization
          Nope (it's a part of a western civilizational cluster), civilization=historical continuum, most of it's history britain existed as a separated civilizational being, it's a solitary albion and you're moronic if you think that religion=civilization.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I am certain that the manchu, mongols, and xiongnu had no impact on the cultural identity of the people they conquered and had raided beforehand for several thousand years
    likewise, I am also certain that people several thousand miles apart have always been the same ethnicity and have always believed and done all of the same things in the same ways in ages where the fastest mode of transport for the majority of people is walking

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >continual
    no

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      they still speak Chinese, there's no break ala Arabs in Egypt and the Fertile Crescent or Spaniards in the Andes or Mesoamerica

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Explain how G'ra' (Xia) dynasty language is continuous with the government-promoted conlang that is modern Hanyu

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          chinese is logographic. it hardly matters how it's pronounced, although, if japanese onyomi is anything to go by, the pronunciations have not changed too much since the han dynasty. the characters have more or less the same meaning, again evidenced by their usage in japan.
          that's continuity.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Closer.
            You still haven't shown that Gra era symbols (not necessarily logograms) are continuous with our modern logograms.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Closer.
            You still haven't shown that Gra era symbols (not necessarily logograms) are continuous with our modern logograms.

            Anyway the language argument is obviously important too as well as more readily communicable to westtards, but doesn't demonstrably prove back to 4kya the way the architectural argument does.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    which is why the wewuzzing wignats try to claim her and bizarrely chinese civilization. if her remains looked mena they wouldnt give a shit

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Conquered by outsiders countless times
    >Oldest buildings date back to 17th century

    Nah.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      buildings date back to 17th century
      you could've done a simple google search to not look like a dolt
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Pagoda

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Short answer: Yes
    Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssss

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Xinjiang and the western regions aren't chinese, but mummies found there proves we wuz chinese n shit actually

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    China never had much contact with israelites so they never had a constant parasite race subverting and destroying their civilization from within. Mongolians were too dumb to wipe out traditional Chinese language and culture.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      hahahaha, poor sweet innocent anon

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. I honestly believe China is the superior civilization, and they will inevitably dominate the world one day

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, humanity is

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    > continual
    Kek. Google "conquest dynasty"

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's actually India. Oldest doesn't necessarily mean best.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      India is barely a country, much less a civilization.
      You Indians only know about the Mauryan empire, your own history, because British scholars discovered them in the 1800s. not a single Indian remembered who Ashoka was until a brit did some digging.
      Can you imagine if China forgot who Liu Bang was or if Italy forgot about Augustus?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        a.) I'm whiter than you.
        b.) frick off and read Spengler.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >sputtering nonsense after he got BTFO
          Sad!

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Please don't mind the incursion by , and answer me

            What unifies Harappan with Vedic? The term continuous civilization is used here for a reason. Civilization in India is definitely older than the Xia, but it doesn't mean it's continuous.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            India is barely a country, much less a civilization.
            You Indians only know about the Mauryan empire, your own history, because British scholars discovered them in the 1800s. not a single Indian remembered who Ashoka was until a brit did some digging.
            Can you imagine if China forgot who Liu Bang was or if Italy forgot about Augustus?

            why is chinese cutting banter so unique and consistent between westernized chinese?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Chinese history began around 1300BC. The period from around 2800BC to 2000BC was the Merovingian stage of Indian culture.

            You're probably a chink though so you'll disregard any facts presented to you.

            OP is talking about continual civilizations you fricking morons. Each "great" Indian empire only resembled each other in that they were all populated by shitskins. Compare this with the cultural, traditional, religious, and governing continuity of China.
            Theres a reason that even in the west, China is considered the "longest continual civilization".
            See

            Loaded question, China is not a "continual civilization".

            streetshiters, your country is and will always be a third world hell hole.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Each "great" Indian empire only resembled each other in that they were all populated by shitskins.
            N-no. I'm not Indian but this is clearly wrong, since Indian civilization from the Vedic period onward is unified across time through religion and language.

          • 4 months ago
            Dr Chud

            correct.

            [...]
            [...]
            OP is talking about continual civilizations you fricking morons. Each "great" Indian empire only resembled each other in that they were all populated by shitskins. Compare this with the cultural, traditional, religious, and governing continuity of China.
            Theres a reason that even in the west, China is considered the "longest continual civilization".
            See [...] streetshiters, your country is and will always be a third world hell hole.

            have a nice day, chink. The world does not revolve around you.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Theres a reason that even in the west, China is considered the "longest continual civilization".

            Yeah it's a delusion that the West is letting you cope with because you worship them and slave away for them lol

            but the world is revolving around china again. and this thread is revolving around him because hes Literally posting the best shit

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm seeing alot of low IQ posting between anti-Chinese dorks, dollar store Spenglerists, and rabidly identarian Chinese. You all can do better.

            That said, what would unify older Indic cultures to the Vedic period? I'm new to Indian studies and Indians are too dumb to learn or explain the gist.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It is claimed that the Aryans replaced the Indus culture. The truth however is that they were incorporated into it. The early Vedic age (beginning around 1500BC) according to Spengler corresponds to the western age of exploration around 1500AD.

            This is comparable to the role of Christianity in western culture. Instead of being Christianized, the Germans Germanized Christianity.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Instead of being Christianized, the Germans Germanized Christianity.
            The chink's thirst for the BWC is so tangible

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            correct.

            [...]
            have a nice day, chink. The world does not revolve around you.

            I mean I'm Indian but wouldn't really agree with this? The diversity in the culture and language that exists across the country and even within hinduism are fairly apparent and are not really comparable to the chinese in terms of homogeneity. The obsession with continuity is a pointless one and I would prefer people value India over its diversity rather than sacrifice that for saying its the most continual civilization.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            China isn't linguistically or culturally homogeneous

            They pretend to be and get away with it because most people think they sound the same and do the same things

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            relatively speaking it is? chinese primary school kids can read millennial old writing with pretty minimal learning and i shouldn't even need to mention the widespread prevalence of confucian ideals

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh really? Show proof that what they think the symbols mean is the actual meaning then.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’ve read a lot of moronic shit here before but nothing as fricking asinine as this. How hard are you coping to write a sentence like this?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Where's the proof?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You moronic Black person. I’m not going to “pRovE” something that a you’ll find on a single google search, but that’s besides the point. Is your pathetic streetshitting brain not capable of processing how moronic the question is in the first place? or how your argument applies to the indian language probably even more so than chinese??? You’re stupid even by IQfy india dick rider standards. Maybe if you have a nice day India will have a better chance of becoming a global superpower by 2012.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've never seen pan-Hanists not talk like Americans.

            By China's logic the "European state" has lasted 6000+ years and we should be considering the HRE as a Roman state or whatever and also include the neolithic settlements Athens was built on as the origin of the "European race" then force everyone in the EU to speak Greek and pretend like we've all been speaking Greek all along with Vinca alphabet symbols invented 16000 years ago

            >By China's logic the "European state" has lasted 6000+ years and we should be considering the HRE as a Roman state or whatever and also include the neolithic settlements Athens was built on as the origin of the "European race" then force everyone in the EU to speak Greek and pretend like we've all been speaking Greek all along with Vinca alphabet symbols invented 16000 years ago
            You'd be 100% correct if you said Europeans lied about the meaning, pronunciations and culture of those symbols.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            from your point of view Indian culture may seem very fractured but from the western perspective I see a culture unified by the same mindset towards time, mathematics, and society.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your Vedics and Brahmins have been consistently longevitous and influential to the point India's plurality does not negate the formers' continuity with the Vedic period.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Theres a reason that even in the west, China is considered the "longest continual civilization".

            Yeah it's a delusion that the West is letting you cope with because you worship them and slave away for them lol

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >See

            Loaded question, China is not a "continual civilization".

            streetshiters, your country is and will always be a third world hell hole.
            why dont you spam your pajeet scat collection ITT? dont want to dishonoru china thread?

          • 4 months ago
            fpbp

            Chinese history began around 1300BC. The period from around 2800BC to 2000BC was the Merovingian stage of Indian culture.

            You're probably a chink though so you'll disregard any facts presented to you.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Chinese history began around 1300BC.
            why what happened according to your findings

            >The period from around 2800BC to 2000BC was the Merovingian stage of Indian culture.
            what happened then that makes it continuous with modern india? didnt the aryan invasion completely reboot indian civilization and replace the language?

            It's a fake as frick country that didn't have an ethnic name for itself until some century ago and the current name of the country is made-up and unrelated to the names that other dynasties used.

            What allows them to grift like this is that they use symbols for writing and they pretend the symbols have the same meaning and pronunciation as today.

            You're basically an idiot if you think the Han dynasty used the symbol for country and called it "Zhōngguó" or some version of it.

            Also there are no foreign sources on them.

            What's funny is that they named their ethnicity after the Han dynasty instead of the much older dynasties. They clearly know they're full of shit.

            >didn't have an ethnic name for itself until some century ago
            except it does, and several, and what century ago you memory decimated druggy

            btw they called the land tianxia among dozens of other local terms dipshit

            youre otherwise clearly butthurt at chinas recent resurgence so im just gonna laugh at how pathetic you are

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cool, shouldn't be difficult for you to list the ethnic names and tell us how they're related then.

            >Tianxa
            The frick is that related to Zhongguo?

            Chinese nationalism is a hoax.

            Imagine Finland conquering Europe, convincing 99% of Europe to speak Finnish and identify as Finnish, and claiming that anything in Europe e.g. gyros or spaghetti is Finnish. That's what China did in the Far East.

            >resurgence
            What resurgence? Worshiping Whites? Getting propped up by White capitalists? Having 95% of land that belonged to foreigners in the past? Looking forward to you """""anti-imperialists"""" bailing out your big daddy again.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            nice try at baiting homework you freaky deaky schizo. blocking you

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you so obsessed with Zhonghuo name? It's just a word, it's not the most precise criteria for analysing the continuity of a civilization.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It is one of three criterias for determining how old a civilization is, fricking moron

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't confuse nationalism and ethnicity with civilization. Current Chinese national identity and ethnicity were invented at start of the 20 century (they even think Genghis Khan was Chinese) but civilization is something different.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What is civilization?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            well whoever wrote that wasnt aware of recent archaeological finds we now know substantiate the xia

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            frick off, chink.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            spengler is wrong and your laughably stupid interpretation of what a continuous civilization is even moreso

            Who asked, idiot. Explain how the words are cognates.

            >Explain how the words are cognates.
            moronic broken troony brain

            high chink verbal IQ right here, folks.

            extremely high admittedly. youre just jealous

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Read Spengler
          Lol midwit moron detected, you should study history instead of some pretentious layman's ramblings

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've read more history books than you ever will.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Read something worth reading for a change then, if you had you wouldn't seen Spengler's shallowness of understanding a long time ago

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            seethe harder, homosexual. This board is not your safe space.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay homie? Continue jerking off to meaningless mysticism idc

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        What unifies Harappan with Vedic? The term continuous civilization is used here for a reason. Civilization in India is definitely older than the Xia, but it doesn't mean it's continuous.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    When do you consider Egyptian civilization to have died? When people forgot how to read hyerogliphs?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      yes. no one uses egyptian hieroglyphs or any other language the old middle or new kingdom would have used today. the only reason why we understand any egyptian scripts at all is from the rosetta stone. meanwhile anyone can read the text on the forbidden city plates as if it were a road sign.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      When the Romans and Arabs took over

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      when they stopped being "egyptiany" so probably under the romans.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, its current successor state is the Republic of China.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a fake as frick country that didn't have an ethnic name for itself until some century ago and the current name of the country is made-up and unrelated to the names that other dynasties used.

    What allows them to grift like this is that they use symbols for writing and they pretend the symbols have the same meaning and pronunciation as today.

    You're basically an idiot if you think the Han dynasty used the symbol for country and called it "Zhōngguó" or some version of it.

    Also there are no foreign sources on them.

    What's funny is that they named their ethnicity after the Han dynasty instead of the much older dynasties. They clearly know they're full of shit.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >that didn't have an ethnic name for itself until some century ago
      Literally has been using "Huaxia" since the Warring States period which began around 400bc. Both the official names of Taiwan and China reference themselves as the nation of 華人. Wikiskimming should not be this hard.

      >You're basically an idiot if you think the Han dynasty used the symbol for country and called it "Zhōngguó" or some version of it.
      You literally have Kublai Khan calling his empire "China" in his letter to Japan prior to the Mongol Invasion. He literally seethed at the fact that he wasn't offered tribute from Japan recognizing his state as the "new" Chinese empire and its continuity from the Tang. "China" has been used to refer to the Central Plains empires since its inception and was synonymous to whatever dynasty that was ruling at the time.

      >What's funny is that they named their ethnicity after the Han dynasty instead of the much older dynasties.
      Because "China" as a unified imperial state didn't exist until the Qin which only lasted 17 years. Han was the one that truly cemented the idea of a unified polity for 400 years instead of separate confederacies vying for control over their own fiefdoms.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, you fricking moron. There's no relation between Huaxia and Zhongguo.

        Stop sperging out about symbols. Every ethnic group in the Far East had unrelated names and pronunciations for the symbol.

        >literally
        I knew you'd be underage schizo.

        China is nothing more than a region that anyone can make their country in.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Huaxia and Zhongguo
          not him but Literally an ancient term promulgated to unify the local tribes and polities

          frick off, chink.

          only when you stop being wrong

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who asked, idiot. Explain how the words are cognates.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            high chink verbal IQ right here, folks.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >There's no relation between Huaxia and Zhongguo.
          Now I know you're an actual moron. " 中國" was first termed in the Western Zhou to signify their domain and later used to establish the difference between "Huaxia" and the "Barbarians". "Zhongguo" is literally used to solidify the "Huaxia" identity you troglodyte.

          >Stop sperging out about symbols. Every ethnic group in the Far East had unrelated names and pronunciations for the symbol.
          Korea/Japan/Vietnam/China's term for "China" all share similar basic phonetic pronunciations along with a multitude of Sino-Xenic vocabulary. We literally study Ancient Chinese pronunciation by looking at the nations around China because they all borrowed the same root pronunciation of Chinese vocabulary. lmao

          >literally
          room temp iq

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >room temp iq
            I kekked. Is your name Michael Zhuang btw?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why can't you explain how they're cognates

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why can't you explain how they're cognates
            Because they're not cognates moron. They're loanwords. Are you unironically incapable of "Googling it" with your room temp iq?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            the morons really fixated on cognates bc he just learned from class what they are and thinks they apply to everything

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Be nice Sheep. People who know where you live are watching.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >unironically
            >moron
            >room temp iq
            Underage schizo western wannabe filth
            >Because they're not cognates moron
            Exactly. Thanks for admitting China is a region and Zhonggua is a fake country

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Thanks for admitting China is a region and Zhonggua is a fake country
            Loanwords for Viet, Korean, and Japanese you imbecile. Those languages are not part of the Sino-Tibetan language family tree. You're literally grasping at straws and shifting goalposts.

            >Cognates
            Here's a chart of examples since you're so incapable of even wikiskimming. Sinic languages are all derived from Old/Middle Chinese which is a branch of the Sino-Tibetan family tree. The nations around China borrowed from Old/Middle Chinese.

            >No arguments
            >Moving goalposts
            You really can't stop taking the L can you? First you claim that "It's a fake as frick country that didn't have an ethnic name for itself until some century ago" which was proven wrong by the fact that you didn't even know "華夏" was in use since 400BC and not "漢". Then you claim that "the current name of the country is made-up and unrelated to the names that other dynasties used." when in fact "中國" has been in use since the Western Zhou and pretty much by every dynasty that came after it including the Mongol Yuan. You then shift goalposts by claiming "中國" and "華夏" are unrelated which hilariously demonstrates how fricking out your depths you are on this topic when the term "Zhonggou" is literally used to signify the cultural distinction between "Huaxia" and the "Barbarians". Quite literally a distinction of a nation and its inhabitants versus the outsiders. After losing yet another argument you move the goalposts again and go on a tangent about "hurr durr cognates" and language which again you have zero idea about the topic your talking about.

            >Underage schizo western wannabe filth
            You'll never be white Rajesh and pretending you are on chink imageboard isn't gonna win you any arguments with your subhuman iq. I can already guess what you're gonna do next because you're that much of a reject. You're gonna move the goalpost AGAIN only to get disproven and forced to take the L AGAIN.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, you fricking moron. There's no relation between Huaxia and Zhongguo.

        Stop sperging out about symbols. Every ethnic group in the Far East had unrelated names and pronunciations for the symbol.

        >literally
        I knew you'd be underage schizo.

        China is nothing more than a region that anyone can make their country in.

        >Huaxia and Zhongguo
        not him but Literally an ancient term promulgated to unify the local tribes and polities

        [...]
        only when you stop being wrong

        >There's no relation between Huaxia and Zhongguo.
        Now I know you're an actual moron. " 中國" was first termed in the Western Zhou to signify their domain and later used to establish the difference between "Huaxia" and the "Barbarians". "Zhongguo" is literally used to solidify the "Huaxia" identity you troglodyte.

        >Stop sperging out about symbols. Every ethnic group in the Far East had unrelated names and pronunciations for the symbol.
        Korea/Japan/Vietnam/China's term for "China" all share similar basic phonetic pronunciations along with a multitude of Sino-Xenic vocabulary. We literally study Ancient Chinese pronunciation by looking at the nations around China because they all borrowed the same root pronunciation of Chinese vocabulary. lmao

        >literally
        room temp iq

        >Huaxia

        I found an interesting take on this, even if it's out there. It's on libgen too

        > "The Scythian Empire: Central Eurasia and the Birth of the Classical Age from Persia to China" by Christopher I Beckwith

        https://asianreviewofbooks.com/content/the-scythian-empire-central-eurasia-and-the-birth-of-the-classical-age-from-persia-to-china-by-christopher-i-beckwith/

        > Christopher Beckwith likes to shake up the staid world of archeologists, philologists and historians with big claims. In his Empires of the Silk Road, he argued the debt of world civilization to unfamiliar peoples from inner Asia, changing a Euro-centric or Sino-Centric approach to history into steppe-centricity. The Scythian Empire takes this one step forward by attributing many of the contributions from the steppe to a single people, the Scythians. In Beckwith’s telling, the Wusun, the Xiongnu, the Yuezhi, the Tokharians and the Soghdians are all Scythians, as are the Medes. This is a big, simplifying explanation, which, if widely accepted, would make the heretofore complicated history of Central Asia a lot more accessible. What is unsure is how many readers will be convinced by Beckwith’s arguments.

        > Turning to China, Beckwith is no less bold. King Zhao Wuding, who proclaimed the necessity of “dress like the barbarians and shooting from horseback (胡服骑射)”, is not a Han Chinese with a radical program of cultural appropriation, but rather a Scythian prince Sinicized by later Chinese historians. Zheng, the future Shi Huangdi, grew up as a hostage in the Zhao court, but he too is shown as a Scythian, which is why his cavalry ultimately prevailed to end the Warring States period and create the Chinese empire. Even the name for China itself, 華 (huá), reflects Scythian “Arya”, “noble”. The great steppe empire of the Xiongnu is also seen as a Scythian polity, with ethnic intermixtures of Turkic, Mongolic or Tungusic elements.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          > Beckwith sees both the impact and the legacy of the Scythians on a far bigger scale. For him the Scythians are the founders of the Median and Persian empire, of the Zhao kingdom in China’s Warring States era, and ultimately the Qin dynasty of China’s first emperor. In his telling, the Scythian raiders in the Middle East are identical to the Medes who served as allies of the Assyrians and then supplanted them. Depictions of Medes and Scythians in Assyrian and Persian bas-reliefs indeed suggest a close affinity. Cyrus the Persian and Darius are both Medic-Scythians. Darius’s monotheism arises from steppe Tengrism (belief in a sky God), whose prophet Zoroaster writes in a language we call Avestan, but is actually Scythian. The boldness of these assertions takes one’s breath away, while at the same time providing explanations for many previously murky turns in Herodotus’s narrative of Persian history.

          He suggests the Arya are the tribe that the sky God mythically granted parallel leadership over the earth, and that the idea later spread through the Avesta and the Chinese mandate of heaven as a political concept (hence his conflation of Hua with Arya)

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm seeing alot of low IQ posting between anti-Chinese dorks, dollar store Spenglerists, and rabidly identarian Chinese. You all can do better.

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where do civilizations end or begin?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      must have an urban state, forms of art, and a continuous written historical record. Societies which meet these requirements began to emerge around 3000BC.

      and as always, read Spengler for further info.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >forms of art, and a continuous written historical record
        Utterly moronic pedantry and casuistry. Spenglerian methods are primitive and outdated, and they appeal to autists who can't see past a casuistic system that they choose to let color and restrict what they see. Get over the bald homosexual israelite, he's a lost cause.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          how about I kill you? how about that?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You already killed yourself skinwalking as an offbrand version of the dead bald homosexual

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nah

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Very distorted, but yes, you can vaguely see an echo or two.

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    By China's logic the "European state" has lasted 6000+ years and we should be considering the HRE as a Roman state or whatever and also include the neolithic settlements Athens was built on as the origin of the "European race" then force everyone in the EU to speak Greek and pretend like we've all been speaking Greek all along with Vinca alphabet symbols invented 16000 years ago

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      > By China's logic the "European state" has lasted 6000+ years
      No, just no. Stop posting this exact same shit every China thread homosexual

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        He's right, you know.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Except he isn't because "Europe" as a term was created during the Carolingian Renaissance in 9th century; being used to designate the sphere of influence of the Western Church vs the Islamic world and Eastern Orthodox. There's no such thing as a "European State" because it never existed in any capacity. The reason why the East Asian nations all still hate each other is because the Chinese "civilization" still technically exists and isn't up for grabs as part of their individual "regional history".

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            no it isnt. even herodotus used europa as a term to distinguish the continents. its even older than that

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >herodotus used europa as a term to distinguish the continents
            Except that's not what he's arguing for. "Europe" as a political entity and state never existed and closest thing you get comes centuries after the collapse Western Roman Empire.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        If a question is asked that has the same answer every time it's asked then it's not on me for repeating the same answer to the same question

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    'continuous civilization' is a meaningless term just like indigeneity

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. Bharat is.

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If China is an old civilization, so is the US being 2000 years old for speaking English.

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is China the oldest continual civilization?

    There are bones found in China before the invention of paper which have Chinese script. The Mandate of Heaven has been a Chinese concept for over 3000 years.

    The same ideas, ethnicities, and art forms have been linked for that long.
    Meanwhile, other parts of the world have burned their heritage and replaced it with different things repeatedly.

    I wish the other ancient civilizations persisted, the modern world is boring.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Chinese script.
      Latin is still being used.
      > The Mandate of Heaven
      Concept of Empire/Emperorsip has been around 2000 years.
      >The same ideas,
      2500 years of continous philosophy
      >ethnicities
      Basically same people sinse like 3000bc.
      >the same art
      How is it a good thing?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Latin is still being used.
        where? latin is a dead language. its not an official language anywhere, not even the vatican

        >Concept of Empire/Emperorsip has been around 2000 years.
        such a loose political concept is hardly unique to european civilization

        >2500 years of continous philosophy
        probably not. christianity is your best bet for contuinity and even thats only 2k ya

        youre grasping for straws bucko

        • 4 months ago
          Cult of Passion

          >where?
          Gotchu fampie.

          [...]

          All the way down.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >languages that mutated beyond mutual intelligibility are the same language
            complete and utter moronation. you should stop wewuzzing

          • 4 months ago
            Cult of Passion

            >wewuzzing
            >mutated beyond mutual intelligibility

            You, sir, are a living mockery of creation.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Haplogroup E1 is the same as R1
            again, youre a wewuzzing moron

          • 4 months ago
            Cult of Passion

            >Haplogroup E1 is the same as R1
            I dont care what Molecular Biology says.

            Its been supplanted by BioElectric and BioMagnetic Environmental Evplutionary Biology.

            t.PhD

            listen moron, theyre mutually unintelligible, ergo not continuous

            >listen
            NO, YOU SHUT THE FRICK UP, NEWhomosexual.

            IM NOT ASKING, IM INFORMING THE WORLD.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            ok schizo. another namegay pseud blocked, cya

          • 4 months ago
            Cult of Passion

            Ive been to all of those places...you should stop hanging around losers that make you think youre smart or educated.

            Congratulations, you have legitimized the transfer of power to darkies in the Occident.

            Do you track global human migrations as genetic flows?

            I do.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sure doesn't show. You've demonstrated as much expertise as a Black person who vacationed in Paris and thinks they share French heritage because they can badly pronounce a few tourist phrases.

            Mental illness.

          • 4 months ago
            Cult of Passion

            >Sure doesn't show.
            You dont associate with many doctors or professors, do you? If you do...then youre a student and youre in a student/teacher relationship...if not, then stfu.
            >You've demonstrated as much expertise as a Black person
            Yeah, you dont have a PhD, so you REALLY should shut the frick up.
            >Mental illness.
            Youre not a doctor, why are you LARPing on the internet?

            Is it because in real life you shut the frick up because you dont want to feel ashamed to air your ignorance so you do it online, where your friends and family wont feel ashamed by your repulsive true self? Its ok if you do...

            Im here to talk...but only if youre willing to.

            t.Research Psychologist, not a Therapist, you fricking dunce...

        • 4 months ago
          Cult of Passion

          >christianity is your best bet for contuinity and even thats only 2k ya
          My civlization is over 10,000 years old.

          Sit down, Chang, youre a baby to me.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            nothing coherent for a continuous civ links them. those obelisks might as well be shoved up your ass

          • 4 months ago
            Cult of Passion

            >nothing coherent
            Youre not one to judge what coherent is, as youre clearly not a Linguist that studies language and how they evolve.

            LIVING language, meaning it evolves as human do. See;

            Goddamn. Actual wewuzzing from a mutt.

            >wewuzzing
            Wow, a new word! I wonder what it means.

            The "coherent" part is beyond your comprehension as youre not very well educated. We dont ask toothless peasants in rural China to peer review Physics papers....WHY?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            listen moron, theyre mutually unintelligible, ergo not continuous

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            QED, blacks are the new whites

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            see what happens when you dont make proper definitions of continuity?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >We dont ask toothless peasants in rural China to peer review Physics papers....WHY?
            Because you're busy citing Chinese scientific papers to the point that you're begging the Chinese to renew the S&T Cooperation Act.

          • 4 months ago
            Cult of Passion

            >you're
            Funny way of saying corruption and treason. Many such cases.

            Quiet, Chang, Ive been tracking you for a long time.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Congratulations, you have legitimized the transfer of power to darkies in the Occident.

          • 4 months ago
            Cult of Passion

            >those obelisks
            I travel the world and study them, as well as their civilizations, languages, cultures, religions and what connects and seperates them.

            Obelisks are milinal-foot-print pyramids and their tips, pyramidians, denote angles that show what type of pyramid it is as specific measures of Phi that represent temperments of the human condition.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Goddamn. Actual wewuzzing from a mutt.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >where? latin is a dead language. its not an official language anywhere, not even the vatican
          He's talking about their use of the latin alphabet quit playing dumb

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Test

  28. 4 months ago
    Cult of Passion

    IQfy NEEDS TO LEARN TO STAY IN THEIR LANE.

    Even your threads on genetics of so skewed and narrow as to ignore evolution all together and has this moronic focus on molecular genetics, foregoing all other biology. Its not STEM, its circle jerking.

    Using a microscope to describe a horizon...

  29. 4 months ago
    Cult of Passion

    >https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/789887
    "DNA cannot be seen as the 'blueprint' for life," Jose said. "It is at best an overlapping and potentially scrambled list of ingredients that is used differently by different cells at different times."

    Time to update you definition of DNA, boys, youre using antiquated knowledge.

    He talks about what DNA does in some videos, lots of them, so watch a few and stop LARPing as Geneticists.

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tries to delete most of their history
    Lol no

    • 4 months ago
      Cult of Passion

      Ayyy, thats right. China died, mates, we cant forget about that.

      OLD WAYS? NO WAY!

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