is it over for me?

>complete my magnum opus
>it's highly autobiographical and confessional, but that's not obvious because the setting is historical
>finally get an agent
>this week she calls me up tells me: "It's really clear that Charles (literally me) is gay, and I think this piece would be a lot more salable if you had the courage to acknowledge that in the text."
This raises a lot of personal and professional questions. I'm not gay, bros, I was just raised in a theatrical home (my parents were a comic baritone and a mezzo in one of the old Gilbert and Sullivan rep companies). What now? Do I Gaymaxx to achieve publication?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >she
    Found a problem
    Don't pretend to be a homosexual. If you're comfortable revealing the nature of the work, do so and explain that not a fruit--just fruit-like

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know, if he wrote an entire novel (in the 1st person I bet) that comes off as gay, he's probably just fricking gay. Are you a virgin, OP?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I was just raised in a theatrical home

        Just write Charles as a gay character, but don't sell yourself as a gay writer if you're not. That should solve hte problem I think. Of course, most people will assume youy're gay anyway if you are writing about a gay character and are "theatrical" in real life, but that's just fine.

        Ignore these and integrate into the story that the character likes women.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          As if that's going to fool anyone.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I was just raised in a theatrical home

    Just write Charles as a gay character, but don't sell yourself as a gay writer if you're not. That should solve hte problem I think. Of course, most people will assume youy're gay anyway if you are writing about a gay character and are "theatrical" in real life, but that's just fine.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A sensitivity reader would blast him for that. Gay equivalent of black face.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Just add in authentic gay scenes like farting cum out of your butt after you wake up in the morning.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That sensitivity reader should lose their job. Black face in literature would be based.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >A sensitivity reader

        you can tell these people to frick off you know

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I say this with all seriousness: you’re a woman in a man’s body, and a lesbian. Research dysphoria. Thank me later.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Statistical inevitability.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      OP never said he's feeling conflicted or unsatisfied in his life, so it's not appropriate to suggest that he is suffering from some kind of dysphoria. The only thing he seems to be suggesting is that he's "theatrical" which is not a problem in itself.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >a lot of personal and professional questions.
    >It's really clear
    >if you had the courage

    you should tell her she's a b***h and drop her.. she's way out of line. find another agent.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Have you tried another agent?

      Do you unpublished homies not know how hard it is to get an agent?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why don't you just self-publish

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Agent: "Mister Andersoooooooooooon!"

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Have you tried another agent?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you drop an agent because you're "homophobic" you'll never get another one ever.

      OP books aren't for anyone but gays and women now, sorry.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't read a novel about a gay character.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > Magnum Opus
    > Literally under 30

    Never write yourself in your stories. Your editor will rip "You" to shreds. Also, you are too young to call it a Magnum Opus. It's a stepping stone. Women love reading about gay men. Most Yaoi fans are females. If a tweak would make things sell more, do it. Finally, have you considered that you are actually bisexual in real life? There's no shame in it. Most people are to some degree. A side effect of women being into gay things: they have better than normal gaydar.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. OP should embrace be a “chaotic bisexual” he will get publication and will have hot mentally ill women throwing themselves at him.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Never write yourself in your stories.
      Hmmm...
      >Finally, have you considered that you are actually bisexual in real life? There's no shame in it. Most people are to some degree.
      Groomers go back to

      [...]

      and preferably prison.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Women have no concept of male homosexuality. Fujoshit is lesbians in male bodies. Women will never understand scalie bara comics etc.

      Also anyone who compromises the integrity of their work to push homoshit belongs on the business end of a bayonet. That's one of the most hideous habits a man can have; it's an incestuous neutering of real male love

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >homoshit
        >real male love

        it makes you wonder...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Never write yourself in your stories.
      What does this even mean? How would the editor even know this seeing as he doesn't even know you that well?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Also don’t compromise on your vision - unless you’re doing it for money. Which is fine, you do you babe.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why must one make it explicit? Welch in In Youth Is Pleasure for example never does

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Neither does Brideshead Revisited which is turbogay.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm not gay, bros, I was just raised in a theatrical home
    Sounds like something a fairy would say.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you make a writing post outside of /wg/ and you get the chirstcuck treatment. enjoy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >implying someone with actual hope of publication would post in /wg/

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm not gay, bros, I was just raised in a theatrical home
    homie u gay

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this homosexual won't sell more than 30 books, and now he's giving half of that away. who fricking cares.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > "theatrical"
    You're definitely at least a little fruity

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    dumb normalgay agent. she literally can't resist the he not normal big masculine male so must be wiener lover meme. reject societal bias and tell her in plain english the character is not gay

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a shit test.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Some women literally only read Gay men books. You probably got a gay hag yaoi reader as a agent. I would say post the best paragraphs of your opus, but Anons will obligatory call it gay, even if it’s not.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >comic baritone
    what the frick does this means lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A baritone who specializes in humorous roles with a lot of patter elements. This: https://youtu.be/WKsSnVC8wbk?si=62JxOjxzElWVENnm

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A baritone who specializes in humorous roles with a lot of patter elements. This: https://youtu.be/WKsSnVC8wbk?si=62JxOjxzElWVENnm

      i'm guessing a role like figaro?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, but in continental grand opera the category of “comic baritone” is not really a thing. That would just be a baritone. Comic baritones are a largely UK invention, for the Savoy Operas and their many imitators. They were usually men with a greater talent for physical humor and a very strong skill with patter songs, who had no pretension of rising to grand opera. Typically woman especially sopranos would play savoy operas in their youth and attempt to graduate to grand opera, while the men were often lifers.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Savoy Operas

          what are these, like broadway musicals?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Forerunner of the broadway musical. Considered a form of opera rather than musical theater because there is much less dialogue and they require a full pit orchestra and (historically) classically trained singers.

            ?si=TTmZUbXi_jxsTB80

            ?si=hIrZe_gxBlJ1qkVL
            The above are clips from the movie topsy turvy but they are autistically accurate recreations of the what Savoy Operas were like in their heyday.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The chorus women in the second video are so cute.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you’re into fatties, I guess.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I need that fat curly b***h on my wiener if she also has hairy pits and legs with similar curly hair everywhere.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Who are you referring to?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            2:08 in the second video. Reminds me of the hot hairy chubby maid from Gaudi in der Lederhose.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ah. Not quite my thing. The girls at 1:35 are my waifus tho

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Cute.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the brunette girl with the big nose is so adorable.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You are all a bunch of disgusting homosexuals with nothing worthwhile to say

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why would you even care if you 'magnum opus' is 'salable'? Did you write it for money and glory? If that's the case your shit is probably not worth reading.
    Dump your 'agent', you don't need that b***h, you're either authentic or you're not.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You have to realize that only women and gays will ever possibly give a shit about your book. The best thing you can do is cater to them and hope to rise the ranks on lgbtqia2p+ book lists.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    gay or straight, character or author, it doesn't matter. the question is if you're going to fold because of literally the first note from an agent you get about how to make your "opus" more "salable" or if you're going to grow a spine. tell that b***h you want it to be vague like the talented mr ripley

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Black person

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've got one thing to say to you OP. You're fricking gay! As in homosexual

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wokeness in action.
    Feminists in the publishing industry have decreed that straight men be eradicated from literature.
    Don't bow to these c**ts, anon.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd keep writingmaxxing, and then circumvent the agent and self-publish. Make backups of your work though.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >self-publish
      And then what? Have your shit sit on Amazon with 3 sales in the next 20 years? You really don't get how this industry works do you? You don't get invited to promo events, you don't go to book tours in Podunk, Dingleberry, you don't get your shit bought by libraries, you don't get any interviews, etc.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I've sold 20 million books!
        >Of these 20 million, 1 was read

        >I've sold 3 books!
        >They've been read 20 million times because they were pirated and distributed for free.

        Anything's possible. People telling other people that 'X is how it works' are people telling other people, but who are not at work at that present moment. Now quit your blabbering and put the pen to paper.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also, the 'There are no gays in Ireland' meme applies here. Your character must be an entertaining man, and that's not the same as taking penis in the rectum.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To the question 'Is it over?': No, you're just getting started. Or it can be over if you stop writing, it's your personal choice.
    Like, I've had insults ranging from 'queer' to 'he likes sadomasochism' and temptations like you wouldn't believe, but here I am, having continued an opus today. It's not magnum, but it's opus.
    Don't let them gaycrazy you OP! Good efforts on your progress.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    do you have sex OP?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sadly no.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like good advice. Keep in mind an agents primary goal is to sell your manuscript. In publishing, especially e-book publishing, there’s a huge financial incentive to match keywords, so you show up on lists and in search results. It’s so prevalent that many authors essentially pull 10 keywords out of a hat and edit their outline to include them all.

    You’re in an interesting spot. Because a book is presumed to be straight unless it specifically mentions gayness, “gay” is a keyword, but “straight,” isn’t. Likewise for white/black, man/woman, and so on. The net result is a systematic inversion of intersectionality, where the more “marginalized” your characters are, the more keywords they win you, and the more algorithms will promote your work.

    Before people claim this is a conspiracy, I want to point out that the keyword issue is apolitical. If readers must search for a specific term (in this case, the non-hegemonic identity) in order to find books, then that term will appear in queries, and seem to reflect demand. But if the opposite (hegemonic identity) can be found without searching, there will be no record of demand for it. So the data publishers glean from search results reflects a minority of readers, and they mistakenly extrapolate to a majority. Of course, there are political interests that benefit from this phenomenon. But it’s an unavoidable consequence of search.

    Sadly, publishers are statistically illiterate, so explaining this to them is impossible, and they’re more likely to buy books that match search terms — even though those books have smaller audiences in practice. So, from your agents perspective, adding the “gay” keyword will sell your manuscript. If you’re interested in legacy publishing, follow her advice. Otherwise, work with a small press or self-publish.

    t. former pubtech employee

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >adding the “gay” keyword

      but does this apply to the manuscript or to the author?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Both, though authors who identify as gay get the additional benefit of fellowships, grants, and gay-exclusive contests.

        That said, there is also anti-gay discrimination. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this, OP. just change the character to be gay so that she can sell the book to an editor and their publisher. if you want to traditionally publish nowadays, you need either an LGBTQ or DEI angle, and this is true for basically every fiction genre.

      if you have an agent you are 95% closer to publishing a book than anyone else will ever be - the remaining 5% is your book being on submission and either getting acquired or not. your agent sounds like a stupid c**t (the "courage" line especially), but literary agents are not very smart and have zero talent for anything except identifying marketing/genre keywords, so just suck it up and make the sacrifice if you want to make a career out of writing. good luck and congrats on finishing a book

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Before people claim this is a conspiracy, I want to point out that the keyword issue is apolitical. If readers must search for a specific term (in this case, the non-hegemonic identity) in order to find books, then that term will appear in queries, and seem to reflect demand. But if the opposite (hegemonic identity) can be found without searching, there will be no record of demand for it. So the data publishers glean from search results reflects a minority of readers, and they mistakenly extrapolate to a majority. Of course, there are political interests that benefit from this phenomenon. But it’s an unavoidable consequence of search.
      So it's basically just a form of survivorship bias?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Right on the money, anon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but the bestselling novels are never "gay" or "lgbt" or any of these keywords. they're just "thriller" or "mystery" or "literary" and so on. that's actually where the main or mass market is. so by using "gay" you may gain a niche audience but lose the main audience.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anon, she *wants* the charecter to be gay

    if you attempt to read for homosexual erotic subtones, every single piece of literature with two men is considered gay

    the reason she said "saleable" and not "good" is because she is trying to bully you into changing your work to meet her fetishes

    likewise, alot of the anons in this thread want you to be gay, to make you more of a spectacle to laugh at.

    it means nothing, and you will find a nice girl to settle down with

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >do whatever you have to do to get published and famous
    >then later release the true unaltered version and explain how you were discriminated against and forced to deface your own work
    any issues with this plan

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What aspects of the character does she find gay? Describe the character more (or yourself)

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "I'm not gay, bros."
    It's over for you.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Play the identity game. You gotta be homosexualmaxxing. She's already giving you an in so just go with it.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tell her to write her own book if she wants creative control. Find someone else.

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