Is poverty the fault of society or the individual? No fence-sitting

Is poverty the fault of society or the individual? No fence-sitting

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Western Europe & NA: definitely your fault
    >East Asia and East Europe: probably your fault
    >South America, South Asia, and Middle East: maybe your fault maybe not
    >Africa: probably not your fault

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp

      People love to dote on homeless people in western states but if you try your best and walk to the right location you can definitely live good enough. If you see most homeless people they’re either to old to do anything, drugged up, or above all else insane. It is how it is! God bless them!

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        > to old to do anything
        Just don't age, bro.
        >rugged up, or above all else insane.
        How did they get that way? Did they choose this path or were crushed into this shape by some sort of a system that's in place?

        https://i.imgur.com/wgsiifL.jpg

        Is poverty the fault of society or the individual? No fence-sitting

        If you grow up uneducated, unloved and with no prospects for the future a system fricked you up.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The only place where you are not responsible for being poor is Africa.
      The rest of the world is developed enough that social mobility is straightforward. In the worst case scenario, just move to a wealthier country which doesn't necessarily mean USA or Western Europe. For example, if you are a poor Vietnamese then attempt to move to China or Japan.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      99% of people its the fault of the individual. Even criminals can find jobs.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    it is incredibly hard for a human being to, given all circumstances are entirely fair and just, completely frick up on their ability to contribute to others. Literally. Like dude I'm a leaf, and I can't find a job. I've got more money sucking dick in the past year than through the three jobs I've had, two under-the-table, one over, all three in construction, all three I've been laid off of - not one I refused to work.

    I live in a society that has me begging like a dog to make myself useful and make end's meet. I am willing and I am capable to work, but society is unwilling to take me in. The frick?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on way too many factors to say for sure. It's a little of both in most cases, can be more of one or the other depending on your civilization.

      In classical Western Civ it's much more heavily the fault of the individual but that has changed over the last half a century or so.

      Combination of automation and immigration. The people at the top of the pyramid want to keep the labor pool as large as possible in order to depress wages and make workers easily replaceable.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The individual.
      See this drug-addicted gay prostitute:

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Try other work then construction? You have the net. Exodus to a city that you know is cheaper to live in (leaf equivalent of fly over state BUT with actual facilities for homeless people to get their foot in the door) and apply for shitty assembly jobs. At least in the states they’ll be willing to hire bums and druggies so if your a good man as you say and of good health you should be able to do fine.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Try other work than construction?
        Construction is literally bottom-of-the-barrel work. Work for ex-convicts, people who are illiterate, etc. You're telling me to - due to a shitty economy - move from necessary societal work taken up by the lowest of men to that which requires, in today's age, certifications which I do not have? Are you fricking moronic or high on your own farts?

        >Exodus to a city that you know is cheaper to live in (leaf equivalent of fly over state BUT with actual facilities for homeless people to get their foot in the door)
        I am unable to. Due to unstable fiscal circumstances where I am consistently laid off, I have been unable to get around to getting a hold of my Class 7 (Learner's) license - let alone a vehicle. And if I did, exodus to *where*? I live in Edmonton, a city known for its relative cost of living.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      let me guess white, Canadian born and straight y chromosome haver, without much nepotism clout
      HR am i right?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Straight
        Not straight, but otherwise correct.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          try again and make sure HR knows you're into sucking dicks
          job and job security right off the bat.hell if you're half-competent and just show up on time you'll get a raise in no time
          good luck homosexual!

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Want to suck my dick for free?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah sure why not

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's both but ,more having to do with society.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The term "fault" is religious and/or a ideology.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      That sounds interesting. Can you elaborate? Or anyone else who knows what this means?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        whooosh

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Mods, ban this reddit gay please.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >sees normal English word
            >oh no she must be from r3dd!t

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    So it finally happened. A friend female locked up my wiener this morning. I'm about to spend my first night in chastity.

    Any pro Anon have tips for this? She says she'll keep me locked for 30 days, I'm a bit scared because that seems like a long time.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      igk hire a pe to find out how many Black folk she's ridding behind your back while she's bragging about keeping you chaste and faithful for a month for nothing to her bffs?(she's gonna drop you around the 25-28 days mark btw, just as sure as HR is gonna fire you)
      also wrong board

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      buy her a strapon, some restraints, and get to suckin

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    how do i look like this without getting coronary artery disease?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      intense exercise
      it’s why sumo wrestlers don’t get the same health problems as fat burgers

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        They do thoughever, their life expectancy is even lower than really fat sedentary people

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    individual. its objectively a made up word from the perspective of commies or society-ists.
    your life isn't any less different if some stranger light years away is hungry.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its not possible for everyone who is in poverty, or finds themselves in the middle of some other undesirable circumstance, for it to be entirely their fault. Meaning there are gonna be people for whom it is a massive stroke of bad luck/external factors at play and not their fault in any way. There's also gonna be people in the middle for whom its a combination of both their fault and external factors. But you aren't willing to entertain that possibility it seems.

      Lets consider the scenario where poverty/bad life is indeed purely the individual's fault. Is that a deciding factor in whether you offer them help, or not? If yes, then should it be? My idea of help is to want them to do better and not suffer. The idea of who is deserving of help and who isn't is in my opinion very oxymoronic. The only person who doesn't deserve help in my opinion, is one who has no urge to give it to others. They don't even necessarily have to act on that urge, solely on the fact that they want to help makes them deserving of receiving help themselves. Beyond this, I cannot think of any legitimate reason for why you wouldn't wanna give help.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >poverty was invented by communists
      most moronic board on this site and that's saying a lot given that /x/ and IQfy exist

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    society. killing the rich to make them change the rules is illegal and voting hasn't changed anything in 100 years

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Momentary poverty can be attributed to society. Chronic poverty can be attributed to the individual. If you are intelligent and have an average to an above average IQ you will simply not be chronically poor. Lower average IQ is positively correlated to poverty. Is it their fault? No, but life isn’t fair.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      If low intelligence of the individual is the case of poverty, then you can't attribute it to a fault of the individual. In this scenario its significantly more morally irresponsible for society to refuse them help than it would have been if poverty was caused by factors within the individuals control, unlike intelligence.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Society. I can't see how rich guy like Bill Gates would be rich if born in some shithole.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Without society poverty wouldn't exist. A man in the wild is not deprived - he has endless opportunities to feed himself on the bounty of nature. Poverty begins when someone comes and seizes the land by force, strips it bare of resources and forces others to work for him or perish.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What if your a nomad in the middle of empty desert with nothing whatsoever? Your definitely poor then

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >social constructs are real!

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everything is genetic when you get down to it. The only question is whether it is direct or indirectly genetic. Variation in wealth is genetic. The mean and spread is genetic but moronic things like communism have an effect. If you avoid communism you will settle on your genetic level.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >poverty is genetic
      go outside

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It is. Sorry, you were just born to shit people so you're shit yourself.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    60% Society 40% Individual
    Society determines your maximum potential and starting point, you as an individual determine what you do with it.
    Some people are just born with certain characteristics, like being business savvy, cunning, good at leadership etc. But a person born in a good society is gonna be able to do a lot more with those traits.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Society. Poverty is completely unproductive for a society. Any amount of resources invested into helping with poverty is worth it for a society.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is poverty the fault of society or the individual?
    Both, but mostly society. Sometimes no matter how capable you are, there's nothing you can do without opportunities.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Society. It's musical chairs. Best of luck.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Poverty doesn’t actually exist in the modern day United States. IQfy should know that better than any board. “Poor” Americans live better than the richest people lived in almost any society for almost all of human history.

    People just pretend that poverty exists because we defined the bottom 15% or so of society as being poor. It’s laughable.

    And, yes, it’s your fault if you’re in the bottom 15% of society. It’s not society’s fault that a bottom 15% exists, because any society (even a communist society) will have a bottom 15%.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >any society (even a communist society) will have a bottom 15%.
      yes, that's what poverty is. why do you think poverty is some baseline of living outdoors and eating wild plants?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Having an air conditioning, indoor plumbing, running water, video games, electricity, an EBT card, more than enough to eat and a larger living space than middle class families had in the 1950s is not poverty. Yet that’s how poverty is defined in modern America.

        If the bottom 15% of society is defined as poor, that means that the poverty rate will always be 15%. The way we define “poverty” makes it inherently impossible to eliminate poverty.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >dude if we invent new technologies, nobody will be poor
          what?

          Absolute poverty does not exist in the US.

          And relative poverty is basically a half-disguised communist concept. It’s being jealous that other people in your extremely wealthy society have more than you do.

          >dude if we put qualifiers in front of the word "poverty" we can ignore it
          what?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ude if we invent new technologies, nobody will be poor
            yes. the poors of today are less poor in absolute terms than the wealthy of many past eras. abundant food, access to tons of things they couldn't even dream of.

            the poors of today are merely poor in relative terms.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            remember when Tesla invented wireless free energy, or when Lester Hendershot invented free energy, or when Henry T. Moray invented free energy, or when Dr. Ed Skilling successfully builds and test a HENDERSHOT free energy device in 1961, etc
            it's fun not having to pay for heating for your house or gas for your car anymore, society at large got a lot richer and oh wait...

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            the food is poison wrapped in poison killing you slowly trough obesity reduced testosterone and cancer, so are most tech(tiktok killing attention span, toxic rainwater due to "forever toxins", an onslaught of information designed to infuriate, divide and control people, dating systems designed to make everyone lonely so they keep using the app,etc) and having anything close to a meaningful existence more and more out of reach

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Absolute poverty does not exist in the US.

        And relative poverty is basically a half-disguised communist concept. It’s being jealous that other people in your extremely wealthy society have more than you do.

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    define "fault", homosexual

    the rules are what they are because of social processes that have converged over time, so you can sort of say "society did it"

    but then you failing at playing according to said rules is directly caused by your own low IQ and shitty decisions.

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Heritable, biological traits predict whether you're going to be successful in society or not. If you weren't born with those, it's very unlikely that you'll be successful. People didn't choose to be born with or without them, so they can hardly be blamed. However, for society to address these issues is far from easy, since it also means that even if you hand people money, some will still end up poor, because they lack the mind to be responsible with it. It means in order to actually address the issue you'll have to make decisions 'for' some people and possibly keep them from making decisions you deem are detrimental to their well-being.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Japan and Spain isn't alone.
    Both of them are dealing with the fact they literally have a lost generation who did in the end not start climbing the ladder, overcrowding the initial stair steps on the ladder to gainfully employed.

    Its just like society is at fault for training too MBA beancounters, if that means they do not create more jobs.

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    why cant it be both?
    a shit society does a shit job at giving the basic tools(from an education and economic pov both) required of an individual to break free from poverty
    and poor individuals more often than not do a pretty shit job at seizing opportunities they simply cannot see to escape poverty and/or teaching their youth how to do things they do not know how to do.
    it's a vicious cycle really they both just feed on each other...

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    When white people are poor it's their fault. When BIPOCs are poor it's society's fault. Any questions?

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    its all genetics, so mostly beyond control of the individual.
    if you have low IQ genes, you're most likely gonna be poor
    if you have high IQ genes, you'll probably make it. but if you don't then its your fault.

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't employed % sub 50% in USA?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The unemployment rate is less than 4 percent

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't include people who've given up on finding work.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well that anon is still wrong, because the total employment rate is 60 percent, but we don't consider that a useful statistic because children and people who are retired are counted in the other 40 percent, since its for a total of the population vs the unemployment rate that only considers the total potential employment pool, hence the discrepancy

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's still high enough among traditionally employed people to suggest the individual is less at fault

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would argue in most cases, it's society's fault. The big exception is people who started out with money then fell to poverty, unless they got majorly screwed in some way.

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both. Society for not giving charity and the individual for not applying themselves rightly with prudence, energy, diligence, persistence, etc.

    Sometimes, everyone sucks in a situation. Sometimes it's just one part. Sometimes no one sucks.

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry bro. I gotta ride the fence on this one, income is about 50% genetic. (Are your genes "your fault" though?) But I have a study.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10888-019-09413-x
    >Using twenty years of earnings data on Finnish twins, we find that about 40% of the variance of women’s and little more than half of men’s lifetime labour earnings are linked to genetic factors.

  28. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Society determines the bar an individual has to surpass to escape poverty

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >poor unless we say so

  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    *fence sits*

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    -

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    'Barely Subsistence-Level Poverty' is the natural state of humanity. Poverty is not what has to be explained, the absence of poverty (which has been shrinking annually across the globe for decades now) is the unusual state of affairs.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's why it's laughable when people say life has never been harder. Millions of people used to die from famines.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Even if you're completely food secure, don't have to worry about your housing/bills, etc, you can still have things that make your life hard - but yeah. Anyone who thinks that life was better than it is today has never read any amount of history.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        No one said "never been harder" here, they just suggested things could be better. Things have been better at some points in the past and at some points they have been worse

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Since we can't """fence-sit""" (give an actual answer and appreciate nuance) then it is 105% society's fault unless you're a Black person, Hispanic, or other brown. If you're white or yellow its not your fault

  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Society

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >iNdIViDuAl rEsPonSiBiLiTy is a myth

  35. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    systemic poverty (and the weak economies that usually produce them) is primarly a political issue
    but paradoxically, invidual poverty is most of the times the fault of the individual (few people are poor for no fault of their own)

  36. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Poverty prevents ethnic replacement

  37. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The faults are not one, only fascism wants to find one fault and focus on this fault to make propaganda.

    Following the thinking of the ancient, the general fault is that the laws had become meaningless.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >never seen ussr poster
      >never seen any other organization's posters

  38. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both. Society for failing in charity, insofar as that is the case, and the individual in failing in earnestness and prudence, insofar as that is the case.

  39. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    In a very small minority of cases, it is the individuals fault. There are people out there who are lazy and/or just plain reckless in their life decisions. But it is a small minority.

    Stupidity is not the individual's fault, it is our failure (we the smart ones) to educate them.

    In most cases in modern society, it is society's fault. You don't have to be some lefty radical to understand this- Think of it in pure cold economic terms if you would prefer. People are out there looking for respectable work, but society fails to give them it. It's not that they aren't good enough, because look who we DO give the good work to. Just think about any job you have worked in, from the grocery store to fricking senior executive stoff, whatever- At least 50% of your colleagues were useless morons, am I right?

    We are failing to properly utilise our resources. We are wasting good talented people, and useless people are somehow allowed to thrive. Fundamentally the "meritocracy" we tell ourselves we live in does not exist.

    In the majority of cases, it is society's fault. We could all be wealthier if society harnessed the potential of the people who wish to succeed, but society fails to do so.

  40. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Poverty isn’t real even

  41. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The overwhelming majority of people born poor die poor. It’s the exception rather than the rule to come out of it. More often than not someone who gets out of it was just lucky. There but for the grace of God go I.

  42. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Individual and their inability to adapt

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