Is System76 Just Recreating GNOME With COSMIC?

What's the big hype about COSMIC from System76? Aren't they just re-inventing the wheel by recreating GNOME and splintering the Linux community even further by causing contributors to stop contributing to GNOME and contribute to COSMIC instead? Why do people hype this thing so much?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They are doing so by not using the piece of shit GTK( which is developed by Gnome Developers, by the way) So that's a good thing.
    GTK must die and GNOME devs need to change theit hobbies and become shamans ... oh wait

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What's wrong with Gnome and GTK though? It's stable, gets the job done... what's so bad about it other than just being something System76 doesn't control?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        gnome devs are buttholes and took over gtk development and do not respect "outsiders" wishes. You either comply or go and do your own thing so the System76 devs did. It doesn't help that gtk is a mess to learn because the docs are shit so they gatekeep it that way as well.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds like some competition would be good for them

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The image
      Thanks for the daily suicidal thoughts

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        anon it's fricking april

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >fricking April
          I'm not.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          who cares it's april the girl I love will still get railed by Chad (she rejected me)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      sauce

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Found it with yandex
        https://www.fpo.xxx/video/593979/5-twitter-fricking190/

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What do they use?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      TOTAL GNOME(GTK) DEATH!
      by the way what has their new shaman done so far?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Reject women, reject sex, reject lust, reject love. Embrace linux, embrace GNU, embrace FOSS, embrace IQfy.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah okay

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    unironically they are making cosmic out of spite

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ebussy seething
      Worth it. I hope they kill GNOME too

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Being so insufferable that you make a company create their own desktop environment purely because they hate working with you so much
      Why are gnome devs like this anyways?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This will make the sixth time (MATE, Cinnamon, Unity, Pantheon and Budgie were the previous cases) somebody makes a new desktop after being fed up with GNOME devs' bullcrap.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >This will make the sixth time (MATE, Cinnamon, Unity, Pantheon and Budgie were the previous cases)
          I wasn't aware of any of those previous cases, what were their reasons for leaving and how did gnome react to their departure? Also, if people keep ditching them why haven't they tried to improve themselves so people stop leaving them?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >why haven't they tried to improve themselves so people stop leaving them?
            ego

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Gnome is a huge project with plenty of different views, when they clash fork spawns, most of those forks are long dead. Cinnamon is basically the only one left standing, and it's on life support tethered to Mint.
            The only competitor gnome has at this point is kde.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            >most of those forks are long dead
            Only Unity can be considered "dead", and it died various years ago. The rest are under active development and are working in Wayland support.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >working on wayland support
            wayland support has been in gnome for 7 years.

            [...]

            maintaining a DE is a huge amount of work, it's fun for a few months and while the hype is there, but once that dials down all that's left is work work and work.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            MATE, Cinnamon, Unity and Budgie were created because their devs though GNOME 3 was complete garbage.
            MATE and Cinnamon forked GNOME 2 and 3 respectively and turned them into their own things with more traditional desktop layouts.

            Unity, Budgie and Pantheon were made from ground while using some of GNOME's components.
            Unity and Budgie were made, again, because their devs though GNOME 3 was complete garbage.
            Pantheon was made because the devs thought GNOME's UI guidelines weren't garbage enough.

            And now COSMIC is being made without using GTK at all and following only some of GNOME's UI guidelines, but this time because their devs think GNOME's devs are complete garbage.

            What caused them to die? Lack of users and contributions? Unfocused direction? Do you think cosmic will suffer the same fate as the rest of the dead offshoots?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What caused them to die?
            They aren't dead.
            >Unfocused direction?
            Ironically, the forks have a more focused direction than GNOME nowadays.
            >Do you think cosmic will suffer the same fate as the rest of the dead offshoots?
            If anything, COSMIC has the least amount of being abandoned since it's backed by a for-profit corporation instead of being a purely community project.

            >working on wayland support
            wayland support has been in gnome for 7 years.
            [...]
            maintaining a DE is a huge amount of work, it's fun for a few months and while the hype is there, but once that dials down all that's left is work work and work.

            >wayland support has been in gnome for 7 years.
            And it still has many quirks and bugs, like broken DnD support between Files and File Roller.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What caused them to die?
            Cinnamon, Mate and Budgie are still alive and well
            Pantheon dev trooned out
            Unity died when Canonical gave up on the Ubuntu Phone

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Unity development continued a few years ago by a group of enthusiasts

            https://unityd.org/

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Unity was always a moronic idea

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            At least it had a unique, recognizable look and wasn't just a rip-off of Windows (KDE), MacOS (Pantheon) or iOS (Gnome)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it's on life support tethered to Mint
            I mean, it is a Mint project. Of course it's primarily developed by them.

            Unity development continued a few years ago by a group of enthusiasts

            https://unityd.org/

            Unity is being maintained by a literal Indian child.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            MATE, Cinnamon, Unity and Budgie were created because their devs though GNOME 3 was complete garbage.
            MATE and Cinnamon forked GNOME 2 and 3 respectively and turned them into their own things with more traditional desktop layouts.

            Unity, Budgie and Pantheon were made from ground while using some of GNOME's components.
            Unity and Budgie were made, again, because their devs though GNOME 3 was complete garbage.
            Pantheon was made because the devs thought GNOME's UI guidelines weren't garbage enough.

            And now COSMIC is being made without using GTK at all and following only some of GNOME's UI guidelines, but this time because their devs think GNOME's devs are complete garbage.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Gnome devs can always archive Gnome and start helping out with COSMIC.

          All those still rely on GTK and, except for Unity, are all soft Mutter forks.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Gnome devs can always archive Gnome and start helping out with COSMIC
            Gnome devs are like a cancer and them pouring in to "help" develop COSMIC would only harm COSMIC. There is a reason why so many people split from Gnome. It's because they are insufferable to work with, the only thing they would bring to COSMIC is their own detrimental mindset. Best that they all stick to Gnome instead so they do not poison other DE's.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            System76 devs can always wontfix and/or lock the threads made by Gnome devs if they can't behave.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do the system76 devs have a good track record with that sort of thing?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Due to their opposite circumstance, not at all. Every small contribution is usually welcomed.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It lends credence to the theory that GNOME was a plot by Microsoft to sabotage Linux by giving the impression of a decent working DE, but slow on fixes/improvements and to discourage anyone else from making an alternative just by sheer size and by fixing bugs and updates when ever there is competition. The founder of gnome is a former microsoft employee.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't attribute to malice what you can attribute to stupidity. It's more likely that they are genuinely incompetent compared to a big conspiracy.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair, aside from Enlightenment, this is the first attempt that actually breaks away from GTK and the rest of GNOME's ecosystem without using Qt like KDE and LXQT. It uses Rust and iced.rs .

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            What is iced.rs?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://iced.rs
            A rust library/toolkit inspired by Elm-lang for making GUIs.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's not spite.

      pop shell is an extension of gnome shell that they developed because the devs were using i3wm over their own offering. it added tiling and several other features to gnome that, for obvious reasons, were never going to be accepted upstream.

      but it wasn't just pop shell, it was a host of other fixes system76 spent a lot of time maintaining. That and the general structure of gnome and its extensions is inherently unstable. I can't recall the details, but it was something along the lines of "if one extension crashes, it crashes the whole thing". At a certain point, it was obvious what they needed to do and they have talented devs to deliver.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >if one extension crashes, it crashes the whole thing
        That's probably why they made applets in the new COSMIC be completely independent by living in separate processes. Dealing with extension hell must have been quite traumatic.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, Ebussi, call me when Nautilus stops taking over 3 seconds to launch, or when it stops having the context menu randomly ignore input, or when it stops randomly changing my scroll position when navigating large directories, or when it begins supporting drag-and-drop from Gnome's own file archiver.
      >Usecase not found

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What kind of garbage PC do you have that it takes a 3 whole seconds to do that
        It opens up instantly for me

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          the only time i had problems with starting time was firefox snap.
          frick your snaps ubuntu

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          regular SATA SSD, Ryzen 3600, 16gb of RAM, RX5700 XT. It's a middle of the road PC. Definitely not slow enough that it should take 3 seconds to launch Nautilus. I also have no external drives or network shares mounted, so it shouldn't be taking this long. I already tried it in multiple distros and multiple versions of Gnome and it always takes about 3 seconds. Even when timing it using '~$ time'.

          Other file managers such as Thunar, PCManFM and such launch in well under a second, so the issue is definitely Gnome. Even the Windows Explorer launched faster

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know man. I have a shitty surface go I don't use anymore and gnome opened nautilus in there in less time than that. It uses a slow eMMC as well. Maybe check your shit there.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm helpless. I have done everything I could in trying to diagnose this, to absolutely no avail. Even changing distros, as I said. Only distro I haven't tried was Arch, so far. I may do a very minimal install with just gnome-desktop on it to see how it fares.

            I tried checking the verbose logs from nautilus and it always seems to hang for about .3 to .5 of a second when trying to connect to tracker (the file search indexer) and some other 0.2s when connecting to dbus, but disabling tracker made no difference in launch times, so that connot be the issue.

            It's also not an UI issue, apparently, as when the process is running but there aren't any windows open, if I try to open another one, its nigh on instant. Under 16ms (one 60hz frame) actually.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >gnome-desktop
            bloat. ty gnome-shell.
            It's what I use and everything is extremely snappy, and my notebook's hardware is weaker than yours

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            post an issue on the tracker
            it's sub 1 second starting time here

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >post issue on the tracker
            No need to. It was probably user (mine) error. I reinstalled the system and now its fine. Nautilus launches in well under a second. I dont know what could have caused the issue. Only thing I did differently this time was to not install samba, which AFAIK shouldn't make a different since I had disabled all samba services and wasn't using any network shares of any kind. Weird.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >a11y first thing mentioned
      >a11y only real concern
      Gnome really is disabled first, aren't they?
      Why must that be the primary concern?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have ADHD and low functioning autism and Gnome is the only desktop that's simple enough for me

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm also trans btw if that matters

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's mainly ebussy that's obssesed with the word accessibility

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Implying gayland doesn't break accesability.

      Ironically in gtk4, but anything using 3 is still fricked.

      It still fricked because you have to first open directory with file explorer before thumbnails generate.

      >slowing down Wayland development
      They are literally the biggest shills. Wayland is practically designed specifically for Kiosks and Gnome. The only ones slowing down Wayland is Wayland devs who are Gnome tier. If something doesn't fit their philosophy then your use case is invalid.

      There are many cases where everyone wants to aprove new standard untill gnomos protest against it.

      really hoping COSMIC puts an end to the terror brought by the insufferable foot goblins

      I don't really like rust, but I hope it kills nuGTK.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can GNOME do this?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. In fact, and it's been a long time since I ran gnome, but I'm pretty sure that that is just a video of gnome with an extension.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm pretty sure that that is just a video of gnome with an extension
        Nope. That's COSMIC with tiling enabled.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Looks identical to System 76's old extension. Autism reinventing the wheel once again.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not reinventing the wheel if you're the one that made it originally. Cosmic is made by System 76...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's literally just gnome.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do DEs keep trying to pander to tiling trannies? They are autists and will never use anything else other than a tiling window manager.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        there are plenty of normal people using tiling window manager in fact its not the tiling autists which buy those super huge screens and then complain how it sucks.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        can confirm, i will never stop using i3
        t. troony

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hey baby, wanna let be tile your windows, if you know what i mean 😉

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      when would you ever in your life need to use this feature
      i can see side to side shit, but those tiles on the bottomish right get so small you wouldn't be able to see anything even if you wanted to

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        t.ebussi

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        On a bigger screen it could be useful if you need a calculator or a simple doc visible.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I use a couple 4K monitors at my desk and tiling is a godsend. Window placement is automatic, consistent and predictable, I don't even have to think about it, it just works as it should. I can put a given window on a floating layer when the need arises. Having this powerful tiling paired without giving polish and ease of use of a desktop like GNOME or KDE makes Cosmic VERY compelling. It is designed to succeed GNOME as the default on System76 machines, so it needs to be polished enough to be usable by new users, like Plasma is on SteamOS.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What is the usecase for doing this?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Feeling

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      xmonad does this better. In fact, xmonad is the best at this.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wasn't the point on tilling WMs to avoid using the mouse and be keyboard centric?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >NOOOO YOU CANT HAVE BOTH WHATS THE USE CASE FOR THIS???!!??!?!?!?!?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They can dream about it, just how they dream they were women

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      one day.... one day!

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        How is opensuse still alive

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why wouldn't it be? Its the best distro and one of the oldest too

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            its a white mans distribution. thats it. simple, efficient, no kernel panicking, stable - even the rolling release....

            only distro vulnerable to XZ backdoor

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >patched
            >imagine being updooter
            >all distros vulnerable to xz backdoor besides that shitshow of a Arch
            >even H4xXOR's distro Kali Linux
            gtfooh anon

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            kek

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Fedora 41, 40 beta
            unreleased
            >Fedora Rawhide
            testing distro, not for end users
            >Debian Testing
            testing distro, not for end users
            >Arch Linux
            Arch does not directly link openssh to liblzma, and thus this attack vector is not possible
            https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
            >Alpine Edge
            don't know what the frick this is

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >kali linux
            haxors got hacked
            >tumbleweed
            actually dangerous because people that actually do shit - actually unironically use tumbleweed
            >fedora
            close #2 behind tumbleweed
            >debian unstable
            choice between software from 90s or backdoored software
            >arch
            patched right away because the "arch users btw" never felt a touch of a woman and are chronically online and the patch went live 30 minutes after the first news about backdoor were out
            >alpine
            muh powa usaar - still got backdored

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >fedora
            Fedora wasn't affected
            >choice between software from 90s or backdoored software
            Debian 12's packages are from 2023

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol dude, i personally know a guy that has/uses fedora for Uni and he had to downgrade xz libs
            What the frick are you talking about?!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Actual Fedora releases didn't have the backdoored version of xz, only the testing version Rawhide and betas. Those aren't for end users.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            okay then, its security analysts and my personal experience against you.
            Sorry didnt know you were loonix wizard. I bow you are right...

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            XZ backdoor was in versions 5.6.0 and 5.6.1
            https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/?packages=xz
            Fedora 39 and 38 never had those and 40 was unreleased at the time.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bet your dad works at nintendo as well.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          its a white mans distribution. thats it. simple, efficient, no kernel panicking, stable - even the rolling release....

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      GNOME keeps window layers by the application and not by the windows, so it's literally impossible to use chrome split on both sides of the screen and notepad on the right side. Click chrome and it brings both windows to the front.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anything that's not 1 window per screen is useless bloat meant to damage you're eyes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How can I have these neat animations on a wm? which one should I use? I started with i3 and so far sticking with it because i dont know which one to change to. The only reason i would to change is neat animations for actions like vidrel

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    GTK and Gnome are maintained with a level of incompetence and contempt for their users that is indistinguishable from malice.
    People are hyped about COSMIC because it's 1) written by people who hate Gnome and 2) written in a language that encourages software that's more reliable than KDE. I'm writing a filepicker in the same language and GUI library used to create COSMIC and have been very impressed with how nice it is to work with, and how reliable and fast it is. Assuming the devs actually want to make good software and aren't moronic, it should turn out pretty good.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Assuming the devs actually want to make good software and aren't moronic, it should turn out pretty good.
      They do, because they do sell hardware with PopOS

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >same language and GUI library used to create COSMIC
      which are these, just wondering?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Iced.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lurk more. Mentioned

        in Rust
        >>GUI library under the hood is Iced, which is Elm inspired
        >>GPU rendering by default
        >>Many more differences in the RUST stack used compared to GNOME/GTK
        designed and implemented from scratch
        >>No JS or anything JS-like in sight
        GitHub development workflow
        >meh recreating GNOME

        lol

        Already contributed to one of the COSMIC apps btw. Never even had the thought to do so for anything GNOME-related. I don't even know these GNOME devs IQfy hates on. They are completely irrelevant to me.

        And I don't find DE's to be useful anyway. I have no intention to move away from my X11/AwesomeWM setup. Normies would probably be better served by using Openbox with a tray app of their choosing, until Wayland and ecosystem becomes usable (if that ever happens). I just had a specific interest in that specific COSMIC app.

        It was created because GNOME devs are gays that made breaking changes with GTK4, GNOME 40, and libadwaita. Despite being an open source project, they hate the idea of open ended choices. They would rather force you to follow a certain design philosophy. Maintaining GNOME extensions is already hard as it is as ebussy and crew refuse to make a stable API in favor of bragging about their a11y compliant accesibility and UI guidelines. Both Budgie and System76 tried to reason with GNOME only to be wontfixed hence why both are moving away from GTK in favor of less opinionated GUI toolkits that isn't made by authoritarian control freaks. Pop!_OS's COSMIC will use iced.rs and Rust and Budgie 11 will use Enlightenment's EFL with Rust bindings.

        To be fair, aside from Enlightenment, this is the first attempt that actually breaks away from GTK and the rest of GNOME's ecosystem without using Qt like KDE and LXQT. It uses Rust and iced.rs .

        So is everyone just going to let gnome die?

        So long as ebussy is involved than yes. The only mildly sane Gnome dev is George Stavracas.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And what does George Stavracas think about COSMIC? Will he use his experience from gnome to help COSMIC eventually?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >use gnome
      >application volume sliders are buried settings, in the sounds menu
      >update
      >you now have to click a menu to pop up application volumes instead of them being listed, then close it if you want to interact with other settings
      terrible software devs

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i'd love to see them kill gnome

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >causing contributors to stop contributing to GNOME and contribute to COSMIC instead?
    I see that as a net win

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The real question is does cosmic have thumbnails or not?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't see it in their xdg-desktop-portal-cosmic source on github, but it will have a filepicker with thumbnails because

      GTK and Gnome are maintained with a level of incompetence and contempt for their users that is indistinguishable from malice.
      People are hyped about COSMIC because it's 1) written by people who hate Gnome and 2) written in a language that encourages software that's more reliable than KDE. I'm writing a filepicker in the same language and GUI library used to create COSMIC and have been very impressed with how nice it is to work with, and how reliable and fast it is. Assuming the devs actually want to make good software and aren't moronic, it should turn out pretty good.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      GTK and Gnome are maintained with a level of incompetence and contempt for their users that is indistinguishable from malice.
      People are hyped about COSMIC because it's 1) written by people who hate Gnome and 2) written in a language that encourages software that's more reliable than KDE. I'm writing a filepicker in the same language and GUI library used to create COSMIC and have been very impressed with how nice it is to work with, and how reliable and fast it is. Assuming the devs actually want to make good software and aren't moronic, it should turn out pretty good.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Gnomesisters....I don't feel so good

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          because a feature that nobody uses isn't implemented?
          feel free to contribute or gtfo.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            frick off ebussy

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You blackest gorilla Black person you literally need thumbnails to post an image on an image board unless you wanna be a turbo autist and fiddle with filenames and memorization

            >replying to bait this obvious

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            both me btw

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You blackest gorilla Black person you literally need thumbnails to post an image on an image board unless you wanna be a turbo autist and fiddle with filenames and memorization

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            idk what you homosexuals are talking about, the filepicker works fine here, with fricking thumbnails

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            How long it took to Gnome devs implement that? :^)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            how long did it take kde to implement wayland support?
            the filepicker's thumbnails is very low priority, and things are rarely as easy or as simple as they seem.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I implemented my own file picker with thumbnails and it really is as easy as it seems, even when dealing with very large directories. If Gnomes can't do it, it's because they have a horribly designed system that's a pain to add simple features to.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >blind people do not need thumbnails
            >no use case
            >WONTFIX

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Almost like it's by design.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It can't fricking generate new thumbnails though, every file has to be previously generated by Nautilus or it won't show up. Even when they finally tackle the file picker issue they still frick it up.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It only shows previews if you've seen the image in Nautilus first.
            Even now Gnome's filepicker still sucks.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ironically in gtk4, but anything using 3 is still fricked.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Correct me if I'm wrong. But weren't gnome devs seething back when this was first announced about how if System76 had a problem with gnome they should contribute to gnome rather then dividing DE's further? I actually tried to find some articles relating to the split in order to find that source. But you know how search engines are these days.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was mostly a Twitter fight between System76 and Gnome as well as a few private remarks in chatrooms. A good portion of the tweet are gone since many of them are fragile homosexuals that deleted their accounts when Elon Musk took over Twitter. Someone out there probably has screenshots.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      GNOME is open source, closed minded. They are the #1 Wayland DE and one of the actors slowing down Wayland development.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >slowing down Wayland development
        They are literally the biggest shills. Wayland is practically designed specifically for Kiosks and Gnome. The only ones slowing down Wayland is Wayland devs who are Gnome tier. If something doesn't fit their philosophy then your use case is invalid.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    troony os for children.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      All computers can be utilized by children fool. Or do you seek to imply that linux, windows and macs do not have children using them?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Linux is a kernel

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just use KDE.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You enjoying the new plasma release?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I only have it on a test laptop, it's fine. I'm still on an old version on my regular device.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    really hoping COSMIC puts an end to the terror brought by the insufferable foot goblins

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gnome will always have its supporters, but if cosmic is good enough the gnome userbase will simply start shrinking while cosmics userbase grows.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Good luck making a competing product with far less resources, making a DE isn't something a single person can cook up in an afternoon

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >making a DE isn't something a single person can cook up in an afternoon
          Your right, luckily COSMIC has been in production since 2021. So it has had many afternoons to cook.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          System76 is a corpo, not a single person, and they've been developing it for years. Awful post.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Corpos will just close off their source after getting a large market share while gnome will always be open sourced. Have fun supporting proprietary software

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >forks the latest open version and continues development
            nothing personnel

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Good thing they have paid devs, then 🙂

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >causing contributors to stop contributing to GNOME and contribute to COSMIC instead? Why do people hype this thing so much?
    You answered yourself

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it is bad that the GNOMEs are opinionated and particular, they don't tolerate other people's opinions about GNOME's design
    >so we, as opinionated and particular devs who can't tolerate this, will provide a better alternative
    most selfaware loonix users

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    good, i hope ebussy fricking necks himself

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gnome is reaping what they've sow

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why would letting the user control the volume be a bad thing, as a matter of fact how is it even actively harmful to him? Is he just cranking it up to the point where he damages his ears?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically yes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hey gay why don't you move application volume control to the quick access panel? It would take like 5 minutes.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > stop contributing to GNOME
    Cool, maybe these patches will finally get merged.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    in Rust
    >>GUI library under the hood is Iced, which is Elm inspired
    >>GPU rendering by default
    >>Many more differences in the RUST stack used compared to GNOME/GTK
    designed and implemented from scratch
    >>No JS or anything JS-like in sight
    GitHub development workflow
    >meh recreating GNOME

    lol

    Already contributed to one of the COSMIC apps btw. Never even had the thought to do so for anything GNOME-related. I don't even know these GNOME devs IQfy hates on. They are completely irrelevant to me.

    And I don't find DE's to be useful anyway. I have no intention to move away from my X11/AwesomeWM setup. Normies would probably be better served by using Openbox with a tray app of their choosing, until Wayland and ecosystem becomes usable (if that ever happens). I just had a specific interest in that specific COSMIC app.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Even if you tried to contribute to Gnome, I doubt they would let you. I've never understood how they became so big despite not functioning like a open source community at times. They rarely take opinions or code from outsiders.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is GNOME even that big among long time users?

        This is fully anecdotal, but most long timers I interact with are just like me, they don't use a DE at all. Then you come across some devoted KDE developers and users here and there (maybe some still have nostalgia for the KDE 3.5 days when it was actually good). But I struggle to remember anyone who is an actual long time GNOME user!

        DE discussions have a very low bar for entry, and are popular among passing users and distro hoppers. This may lead to wrong assumptions about the actual relevance of some of the choices on offer.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's typically the new to Linux people who use gnome.

          >I've been on Linux <5 years and gnome always worked for me

          They've just attached onto the first thing they tried that worked. Despite it being fricking terrible.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            you aren't wrong, but when I first installed ubuntu 8.04 gnome was actually decent. took me a while to get rid of it once it became shit.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was created because GNOME devs are gays that made breaking changes with GTK4, GNOME 40, and libadwaita. Despite being an open source project, they hate the idea of open ended choices. They would rather force you to follow a certain design philosophy. Maintaining GNOME extensions is already hard as it is as ebussy and crew refuse to make a stable API in favor of bragging about their a11y compliant accesibility and UI guidelines. Both Budgie and System76 tried to reason with GNOME only to be wontfixed hence why both are moving away from GTK in favor of less opinionated GUI toolkits that isn't made by authoritarian control freaks. Pop!_OS's COSMIC will use iced.rs and Rust and Budgie 11 will use Enlightenment's EFL with Rust bindings.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So is everyone just going to let gnome die?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I wish, but there will always be people who think GNOME's moronic UI is good.
        The people who heavily use extensions to make their experience better might migrate, though.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >causing contributors to stop contributing to GNOME and contribute to COSMIC instead
    I can't see the problem here, but yes, COSMIC is a tad moronic, right now it is literally GNOME without being GNOME.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you have to give credits to gnome for the birth of some many DE

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    See my problem with this is not mimicking GNOME is just having it look like absolute dogshit. It was born off the need to use custom themes but frick, at least set a good example. PopOS always looked fricking ridiculous to me. Even Yaru is more appealing.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed. I wish COSMIC looked neater and more professional.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Like what? As far as i can tell the default looks like Gnome with dash2dock preinstalled.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And gnome looks stupid. I hope it gets plenty of features, built-in theme managers, glass themes, random colour schemes like with pywal.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Windows 95 or Windows 7.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you got the hubris to write a desktop environment to rival GNOME?

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I will kek when Rust wins yet again and C trannies get utterly buck broken, again

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How can I do the opposite of this?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      contrast is good, moron

      i hate dark and low contrast themes.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's gnome with KDE community, also rusttroons can be pretty dedicated, so more software to look forward to.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >causing contributors to stop contributing to GNOME
    they must have started a long time ago

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gnome is complete trash after gnome3. It's time to end the charade and kill gnome for good.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Competition is always good, but I honestly don't know wtf you morons complain so much about GNOME.
    It has excellent window management, it's rock solid and way snappier than KDE.
    It's true to UNIX philosophy.
    I'm an engineer. I value simplicity and minimalism.
    Customizing every tiny aspect of your DE to show off to your troony friends in desktop threads is not a relevant, real world use case.
    YWNBAW
    >t. ebussy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I value simplicity and minimalism.
      >It's true to UNIX philosophy.
      > GNOME
      lmao
      >I'm an engineer.
      right

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >no u
        Will trannies ever learn how to have a normal conversation?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm an engineer
      >Customizing is not a relevant
      imagine being this soulless

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I also don't like customizing things, that's why I value a sane default. Something Gnome doesn't provide.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    COSMIC and System76 don't give a frick about PleaseDontThemeMyApp troons:

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If they really don't like that, they can always use QtQuick, Electron or just hardcode a theme in QtWidgets.
      GTisraelites need not apply.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do people hype this thing so much?
    It's new, it's written in Rust, it's Wayland first, has dynamic tiling as one of its main features, while being developed by an OEM. There are lots of reasons to be excited about it. System76 intend to make it the default on their distro, which their systems ship with, it's the first thing their customers will interact with. They have a lot riding on it, so they have more of an incentive to make it actually usable, like SteamOS, it has to work well enough to be sold as part of an actual commercial product people will want to buy.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    erm i was waiting for this update because i was hoping they would change the design and make it look better.... it looks the same.
    maybe it's time i change OS

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > Aren't they just re-inventing the wheel by recreating GNOME
    they aren't recreating gnome.
    > and splintering the Linux community even further
    no one cares, we are not a community, I am not your friend. I just use the same kernel.
    > by causing contributors to stop contributing to GNOME and contribute to COSMIC instead?
    If distros find cosmic a better desktop than GNOME then that is that.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. Do you _really_ need another DE?
    2. What is the use case for another DE?
    3. How does another DE help the marginalized folx?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >yes
      >because we want to
      >they aren't relevant

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >wallpaper
    Thanks, looks great!

    I implemented my own file picker with thumbnails and it really is as easy as it seems, even when dealing with very large directories. If Gnomes can't do it, it's because they have a horribly designed system that's a pain to add simple features to.

    >implemented my own file picker with thumbnails
    Is that still necessary? I thought in antithesis to Gnome cosmic-files would be used as default file picker as well.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Is that still necessary? I thought in antithesis to Gnome cosmic-files would be used as default file picker as well.
      not him but they are using the gnome file picker for now because it works but it could be much better.
      much much better.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >splintering the Linux community
    Wow, free people using their freedom! Can't have that! We must set very strict rules and harsh punishments for violators so that everyone thinks the same, likes the same, prefers the same, eats, sleeps, and shits the same! Just like in our Mac community! And our North Korea community! Stop reinventing the wheel, guize! You. Must. March. In. Lockstep. With. Community.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its supposed to be more snappy than gn0me and looks really promising. Apart from that, everything that makes ebussy seethe is unfathomably based.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >GNOME
    >but not GNOME

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hey XKCDtard.
      I'll have you know Google+ on my old ZenPad tablet was peak social media.
      Even Linus was posting there.
      You got to casually know the varying sociopolitical leanings of people from "the community".
      That was before the troons got hold of the mics and raising the volume up to eleven and turning every conversation into a fight.
      Good times.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >my old ZenPad
        Correction: Transformer Pad Infinity TF700

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