Is the illiad based on any reality?

Seems pretty easy to assume that the myceneans invaded Anatolia. They proabably got into it with the trojan bc it's a pretty strategic located city. But no mention of the hittites? 10 years is ridiculous. I just think it's probably something that happened but lots of lies for fanfiction.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Troy isn't in Anatolia. That's why all of the Trojan allies are tribes from ancient eastern Europe.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bulgaria is right next to Western Anatolia where Troy was

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, it is.

      https://i.imgur.com/wGMH7CV.jpg

      Seems pretty easy to assume that the myceneans invaded Anatolia. They proabably got into it with the trojan bc it's a pretty strategic located city. But no mention of the hittites? 10 years is ridiculous. I just think it's probably something that happened but lots of lies for fanfiction.

      The characters are probably fabricated, but I do believe a large group of Greeks (eubeoans, maybe) sailed to Anatolia to destroy the city of Troy, it's just that it wasn't in the Mycenean period. But rather in the Greek dark ages appropriating a vague memory of the Myceneans.
      >But no mention of the hittites?
      Fits a post-LBC narrative perfectly.

      Aethiopians (India for the Greeks, I think) are said to have come to aid the Troyans. Don't forget it's an account of mythology.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >But no mention of the hittites?
    By the time Homer was composing the Iliad Nesha had ceased to be a meaningful political entity for centuries. Even then, there are Trojan allies drawn from further inland in Anatolia.

    >10 years is ridiculous
    Sieges take a long time.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Sieges take a long time.
      Especially if the acheans were just camping near the city and not actually blocking every route into Troy

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >By the time Homer was composing the Iliad Nesha
      So you agree that it makes no sense for their Biblical placement as well?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        The fact that Anatolia is just a fricking void in the OT makes no sense if we're assuming that it's a text reliably narrating history from a universal perspective. It makes perfect sense if we assume that it's a series of ad hoc works made at various times after 600 BC, including retroactive edits.

        The fact that Homer was vaguely aware of civilizations, some of which were friendly to the Greeks and some of which were friendly to the Trojans, in the Anatolian interior is a demonstration that he's relaying accurate if garbled and smoothed over historical information. He knew that there were people there involved in the political world of ancient (for him) Greece, but he couldn't tell you any specific polities (and why would he? They'd been powerless, or just fricking obliterated, for centuries).

        Having said that, the OT is correct about the location of so called "Neo-Hittite" states in the Levant, because these WERE entities that existed circa 600BC. These states really had nothing to do with the ancient Neshan polity except through several iterations of political lineage (like how the US can claim to be a descendant of the HRE), but they were actually where the OT says they were.

        >Sieges take a long time.
        Especially if the acheans were just camping near the city and not actually blocking every route into Troy

        They also wouldn't have the sophisticated siege engineering that would come about even a few centuries later. It's pretty clear in the text that the Greek forces are reliant on sheer numbers and violence (both mundane and divine) to keep this affair going.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    So what do we do with Amazonians and Dardanians?

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Trojans were ezero culture balkanoid yamnayoids

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