Is there any particular reason why the WHG were manlets compared to Gravettians?

Is there any particular reason why the WHG were manlets compared to Gravettians? Shouldn't it have been the other way around since Gravettians would be more malnourished due to living in the ice age?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Less ane ancresty

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did ANE have black skin like WHG?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        well, it basically says "intermediate" and the WHG swatches show "medium intermediate" was not actually a color from some Arabic or maybe Mexican, but probably an Apulian.
        and of course, some new models use the terminology
        the "intermediate pale", I'm not saying that this is the case with ANE or WHG, but perhaps with this "new tone" things will change a little. basically even the Germans would fall into the "intermediate pale"
        T: El malo

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gravettians didn't have any ANE ancestry, they just plotted closer to ANE than Dzudzuana dalits which WHG, EHG and CHG were all mutted with. Gravettian males at least appear to have been bigger than ANE but the women were quite smol.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        WHG had no dzudzuana.
        >b-but Allentoft et al 2024 said th-
        They're wrong. WHG carries 0% Basal Eurasian ancestry. Even less than EHG which had some 0-3%.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          WHG is a mix of the West Eurasian in Dzudzuana and Gravettian.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ANE and Gravettians both diverged from the same ancestral population. WHG is the outlier being a subset of hyper-adapted Gravettians while ANE and Gravettians didnt morphologically diverge to radically from each other, both retained the rugged Europoid types found in the Eurasian plain from 65k to 35k.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is the man in your pic really descended from Cheddar Man? I know that it was claimed he was but that was based on the results from the genetic tests from over 20 years ago. Would more recent/more accurate genetic tests show the same thing or was the earlier one simply showing ancestry from WHGs in general and not Cheddar Man himself?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gravettians were giant descendents wiped out by the flood

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WHG were Gravettians who underwent a bottleneck in Italy during the LGM. Aurignacians survived in Iberia although they later became significantly WHG-admixed.
    Now it could be that Italy simply breeds manlets since times immemorial.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No Gravettians survived in Italy. Some did in Iberia, most Epigravettian migrations came from around the Black Sea including EHG who came from the Balkans.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You have a non-existent understanding of genetics. Goyet cluster equals Aurignacian and this was typical for Iberia. Epigravettian equals WHG(mostly). EHG from the Balkans? not really maybe Ukraine.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I meant to say WHG in that post instead of EHG. Everything else stands and is correct.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What I'm telling you is the following: Goyet Q116-1 from Belgium is a representative of the Aurignacian culture. I'm sure you don't disagree with that, right? Well the ElMiron cluster in Iberia in the Magdalenian and after is a direct continuation of Goyet Q116-1 in a genetic sense at least predominantly. What more questions and misconceptions do you have about it?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There was no dispute about any of this. Your claim that was false was that WHG came from Gravettians from Italy, when they're the one branch of Gravettians that seem to have gone entirely extinct during the LGM. The oldest WHG there had come from migrations from the east.

            It really depends what you mean by WHG and that's why the term is being abandoned. The Villabruna cluster is the core of WHG.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Samples from the Italian peninsula have more WHG than Villabruna does though. Villabruna is basically AWHG(Ancestral WHG)+minor ANE+possibly even Anatolia HG.

            ANE and Gravettians both diverged from the same ancestral population. WHG is the outlier being a subset of hyper-adapted Gravettians while ANE and Gravettians didnt morphologically diverge to radically from each other, both retained the rugged Europoid types found in the Eurasian plain from 65k to 35k.

            UP "Europoid" populations had a primitive morphology not exactly like Australian Aboriginals but not entirely unlike them either.
            ANE had 1/4 admixture from an East Eurasian P1-carrying population which was all things considered probably pretty similar in this regard since the East/West Eurasian wasn't that long ago when they mixed and a lot of physically proximal East Eurasian samples like Salkhit are all fricked up by pseudo-archaic robusticity.
            ANE phenotypes became significantly less archaic-like and relatively more gracile compared to Gravettians even if it was never to the same extent as truly gracile populations. I've never heard of an ANE associated skeleton being anything like Kostenki man.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Explain to me
          Please

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if black people magically mutated into white people 12k years ago then how come there hasn't been any indication of meaningful human evolution in the last 6k years?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >race is skin color
      moron alert

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >White skin evolved in the last 6K
      That's a lie Neanderthals were White 800K years ago even with their SSA homosexual erectus admixture, heck homosexual Georgicus was pure White 1 Million years before Neanderthal in 1.8M years ago and looked exactly like Caucasians from the Caucasus, a recent paper even confirmed their historical genetic continuity without SSA homosexual sapien admixture. Pure Caucus white snow boys and bunnies since 2 Millions years ago and not a drop of homie blood.

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      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Georgicus looks exactly like Stephen, damn White people are so ancient no wonder the joos and homies are subverting and hidding their history.

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