is this alternate versailles treaty after ww1 that i came up with realistic?

is this alternate versailles treaty after ww1 that i came up with realistic? i think this would be the best guarantee for future peace

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you rewarding the three most moronic countries in the conflict except out of rampant Byzabooism?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      my best friend is greek

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        And big Russia and grosgermany?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          russia isnt big, it lost land
          germany lost alsace lorraine but was allowed to unify with austria

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why did it gain Polish-majority land then?
            The whole shtick of the versailles treaty was self determination for the people of Europe, so putting majority Polish areas under German rule wouldn't make sense.
            Why did belgium gain the south of the netherlands? if anything, it should be the other way round, the netherlands should gain flanders.
            Why did Germany gain Slovenia? Slovenia is majority Slavic.
            Why did Bulgaria gain thrace?
            The only sensible borders you have are for the baltic states and for Hungary.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Here's my take on it

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Garbage take

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >eastern sudeten to the czech
            >voralberg to the swiss
            >belgium partitioned
            yup, all the signs point to moronation

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Partitioning Belgium would be perfectly rational.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, state functioned perfectly well, and a partition would only benefit France which was a no no to both the Bongs and krauts

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            stream?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hungary far too big, and so much more wrong, Germany would also 100% be invaded jointly by; Czechs, Italians, Poles, and French if given such sizable gains. Gotta atleast appease the Czechs and Italians to avoid invasion

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the netherlands should gain flanders.
            not reading the rest, have a nice day and livestream it

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why not? Flanders is ethnically dutch, moron.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            waiting for the link to stream

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not happening, waffle-eating scum

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            gay

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            het is geen toevoeging, maar een hereniging
            het zou inderdaad beter zijn om alle nederlanden in een enkele staat te herenigen, maar het nederlandstalig deel van belgie en de noordelijke nederlanden tezamen vormen een goed begin

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Vlaanderen en Brabant was enkel verenigd met Holland tijdens de eenmaking door Karel V en voor een korte tijd nadien tot aan de 80 jarige oorlog, daarna was het pas verenigd tussen 1815 en 1830
            in totaal waren holland en Babant-Vlaanderen (met uitzondering van noord brabant) verenigd voor net minder dan 100 jaar, in vergelijking met de meerdere eeuwen dat ze apart waren

            Holland en Brabant-Vlaanderen zijn twee verschillende entiteiten. Er was een toekomst waar er maar een Nederland zou geweest zijn maar die hebben jullie verpest door zich los te scheuren van de Spanjaarden omdat jullie een achterbakse sekte wouden aanbieden

            de hollander is een kosmopolitaanse europese jood, ik zou eerder zelfmoord plegen dan te doen alsof wij tot dezelfde natie behoren

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            En Zeeuws-Vlaanderen en Noord-Brabant? Dit zijn plotsklaps geen Vlamingen noch Brabanders? Bovendien laat je de Unie van Utrecht weg, waar toevallig alle Nederlandstalige gewesten zich bij hadden aangesloten en het feit dat de door jou blijkbaar zo gehate europese jood<< een gevolg is van de immigranten die uit de Zuidelijke Nederlanden naar het noorden vluchtten na de val van Antwerpen. Ook het gegeven dat de Verenigde Nederlandse Staten na hun opstand aandrongen tot een hereniging met de Noordelijke Nederlanden vergeet je toevallig?
            Merkwaardig, tenzij je een bepaalde agenda hebt uiteraard.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Zeeuws-Vlaanderen en Noord-Brabant
            onder Hollandse occupatie
            >Unie van Utrecht
            >immigranten die uit de Zuidelijke Nederlanden
            dat is nu exact wat ik bedoel, al het gespuis is uit Brabant-Vlaanderen naar het noorden getrokken, en goed ook. Ik zei niet dat we geen bloedbanden hebben. Brabant-Vlaanderen en Limburg maken deel uit van een puur katholieke natie en de kosmopolitaanse joodse cultuur van Holland hoort er niet bij

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ik ben Zeeuws-Vlaming en leef zeer zeker niet onder een Hollandse bezetting.

            Besef je dat ook in Noord-Nederland het katholicisme de grootste godsdienst is? Dat drie van de vier partijleiders in onze nieuwe regering katholieken zijn?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Besef je dat ook in Noord-Nederland het katholicisme de grootste godsdienst is?
            die katholieken zijn welkom in Belgie

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            maar waarom zou je het noodzakelijk achten die mensen naar belgie te verplaatsen?
            Het is toch een stuk efficienter om ons allemaal weer in een staat te verenigen? Ik zie niet helemaal wat je daartegen hebt, belgie is immers ook al een federatie, een paar gewesten erbij die toch al wat betreft taal en cultuur grotendeels overeenkomen met de rest van het land moeten toch welkom kunnen zijn?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >maar waarom zou je het noodzakelijk achten die mensen naar belgie te verplaatsen?
            >Het is toch een stuk efficienter om ons allemaal weer in een staat te verenigen?
            dat is ook wat ik bedoelde, ik ben helemaal voor Groot Belgie

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            De naam van het beestje doet mij er niet toe, zolang we maar in een land leven met een hoge mate van zelfbestuur voor iedere provincie.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            zonder de protestante gebieden is het voor mij prima

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Er zijn dus geen protestantse gebieden meer, tenzij je die paar SGP-gebieden bedoelt

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mine too

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    why does germany gain land instead of losing it and most of it isn't even ethnically german

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they lost alsace lorraine

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yugoslav shouldn’t form

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hey guys check out this alt history map I made

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You’d be making this same b***hing complaint if Germany were anything other than 1000 HRE-like city-states.

      We’ve all heard it before. We get it. You don’t like Germany and you think anyone who considers it ideal that they wouldn’t have been ethnically cleansed from Alsace-Lorraine, Eupen-Malmedy, East Prussia, East Pomerania, Pomerelia, Memelland, Silesia, the Sudetenland, Carniola and Kattowitz.

      Obviously if someone doesn’t pledge their full support to your ideals, they’re a traitor to the party, a reactionary, a counter-revolutionary even, no, no, a full blown NAZI!

      Shut the frick up and have a nice day. Does your ideal Europe look like picrel? I bet it does. I bet it’s this exact map.

      You’re a full-blown prometheanist and everyone can see it, you’re probably a Frenchamn, and you are to Germany what interwar Poland is to Russia

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you will never be german

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Does your ideal Europe look like picrel? I bet it does. I bet it’s this exact map.
        Pretty much but France can be bigger.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Germany split in half and permanently occupied after WW2
        >Peace in Europe
        Coincidence?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Actually my ideal Europe looks like this

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Disgusting. Pooland and Czechia shouldn't be that big. Le grand Republique Francais and Grossösterreich are based though.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The post that obliterated IQfy.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/0U8PxBL.png

        https://i.imgur.com/lDFHcOl.png

        revised it a bit, russia stays the same, just didnt want to color it all in

        https://i.imgur.com/nPpp6EQ.png

        so that there's no confusion

        https://i.imgur.com/LWZpjEa.png

        How do you people do this maps? I wanna try

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.mapchart.net/index.html

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thx

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          My objectively correct Europe after WW1. If I was in Versailles, the world would be living one thousand years of years of peace and prosperity. I think the only thing that needs a little tweaking is Hungary and Romania. The baltic states are in a pact with Poland, thats why the grid.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            you too, post link to the stream
            make sure you make yours extra painful though

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Shut up
            >

            What an abomination of a map


            Why? >Muh mu muh Germany
            >

            Agree on everything but Belgium, Poland and Baltics should be united under a joint mandatory alliance and both house British members of the royal family to secure loyalty between the two.


            Yeah, im rethinking about it now, I think I got emotional there with Belgium. Belgium doesn't need to be conquered, it already does everything that France and Britain wants it to do.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why?
            Germany is not the only problem. The Balkans in general are an illogical mess.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I will fix it

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            What an abomination of a map

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Agree on everything but Belgium, Poland and Baltics should be united under a joint mandatory alliance and both house British members of the royal family to secure loyalty between the two.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        look guys (s)he made germany bigger!!

        cope and seethe krautroony

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        my ideal map expands Belgium, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands at German expense instead of giving France fricking everything

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        People dont have a problem with Germans existing or having a nation state.
        People have a problem with Germans acting colonizers when they were basic b***h category b citizens in their lands.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >belgium gets bigger
    >annexes a part of the Netherlands who weren't even in the war
    Now you're just baiting OP

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those are the borders Belgians demanded irl, for the sake of peace, they should have gotten them

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Please stop.

        Belgium shouldn't even exist.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          yes Belgium should exist, between protestant netherlands and revolutionary France; Belgium was one of the last stand of catholicism in that part of Europe.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Totally meaningless, it's a non country
            It's not like the Catholics will suddenly fricking vanish if it's partitioned

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Totally meaningless, it's a non country
            >It's not like the Catholics will suddenly fricking vanish if it's partitioned
            of course they would, and Catholics/royalists took refuge in Belgium during the 19th century, but catholics vanished anyway due to globalism, but it would have happened much faster, if partitioned (which has no historical basis) then France would have pushed its revolutionary ideas to its part, and Netherlands would have pushed their (post-) protestant ways that are strongly disliked in Flanders.
            Now catholicism vanished anyway and thus Belgium, because the US pushed both anglo-dutch protestantism (globalism/capitalism) and anglo-french liberalism (secular leftism) to the whole west anyway so it doesn't matter.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >annexes protestant parts of the netherlands anyway
            moron

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            noord brabant and dutch limburgs are catholic, you double moron

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah if you looked at your map you would see you give them zeeland and the land of heusden & Altena, as well as a protestant part of Gelderland
            But hey, who am I to be able to read right?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            this is not my map and belgium never claimed gelderland anyway

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it is not my map
            >defends it anyway
            have a nice day

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Use the provinces map next time and you can get even more specific/accurate/aesthetically pleasing borders, the states are ugly and don’t correlate perfectly to historical regions.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      good idea, ill do that tomorrow. im not allowed on the pc past 10pm (typing this on my tablet)

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Germany gains land after losing a war
    why would that happen?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      in total it actually lost lands because you have to also look at austria, which is now german. it used to be much bigger and part of austria-hungary

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Majority German-speaking land is one thing, Istria and Slovenia are quite another. While places like Luxembourg and South Tirol are desired by entente powers (belgium and Italy respectively)
        Nor does that reason explain the polish lands, which are the far more absurd landgrab

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          istria and slovenia are historically austrian lands so they were allowed to keep those whole integrating into the german empire. as for the polish lands, germany fought valiantly against russia and thus was allowed to keep those as a reward. poland is still free so they were fine with it
          belgium received eupen-malmady, limburg, north brabant, and french flanders though, their ambitions have been sated for now

          i considered giving albania to italy in exchange for not getting south tirol but idk if albania was in the war. italy will have to be force armed into accepting this. or maybe we could give them dalmatia, thats also possible. a peace treaty is never perfect on the first try!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >istria and slovenia are historically austrian lands
            Istria only became Austrian after the Napoleonic wars, Lviv is more "historically Austrian". Not to mention you're seriously pissing off italy as Istria was the patch of land they wanted most from the war, but no entente power will be happy about Germany gaining a port in the Med, since unlike the Austrians they actually knew a thing or two about Navies. all of this not mentioning Wilson's point 10 of 14
            >germany fought valiantly against russia and thus was allowed to keep those as a reward
            What kind of stupid logic is this, the entente wants to reward germany for beating their ally?
            >poland is still free so they were fine with it
            No they wouldn't be. Germany was still free in 1921, they were not fine with it.
            Also in 1919 Germany had lost a war with poland, they no longer controlled even legally German land like Posen, the Polish government isn't going to give that land and more up.
            >french flanders
            Which I'm sure the French are just thrilled about.
            Also it's called the Pas-de-Calais, French Flanders is just a small area around Dunkirk
            >a peace treaty is never perfect on the first try!
            Well, there's certainly going to be another one in a few years with those borders, so they'll get their second chance

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no free baltic states
      >yugoslavia exist
      frick you

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >free baltic states
        moron

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          i dont know how to write Independent at that time and i was too lazy to search it leave me alone ):
          I obviously meant no Independent latvia,estonia,lithunia

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Give Dalmatia to Italy and this is perfection

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why though

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Needs a giant Poland that reaches the Dnieper and balance would be achieved

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >HOI4 map

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >shitsrael getting lebanon
    Kys schlomo

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >shitsrael
      those are the christian levantine states, in what world would israel be purple

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Greece and Bulgaria didn't ape out in the interwar period and destabilize Europe, why tf do they need more land
    Who is protecting Georgia or the Caucasian Muslim state
    Why does France lose territory when they won the war
    Why does Germany get Plock, Kalisz, Lodz, and Bialystok, aka territories that have never been part of Germany and have practically no German people

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do people make these seriously? Or are they only pretending to be moronic?

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's really moronic. Balkans alone:

    >Grosshungariums
    >moronic Greece, no land connection to Constantinople which would be their capital
    >Bulgaria having half their country being Greek and Turkish
    >Belgium gaining Nord and Zeeland for no fricking reason, more than half their population would now be Dutch and French nationalists who would tear the country apart
    >moronic rump Poland who would inevitably be carved up between Russia and Germany because they're half carved up already
    >nonsense transcaucasia
    >epic grossarmenia and kleinturkiums (Armenia would be half-Turk and same with Greece)

    Bulgaria fought for the Central Powers so why the frick are they gaining land? And why is France losing land? In conclusion read a book Black person, take a high school history class, and don't reply to me.

  14. 2 months ago
    OP

    revised it a bit, russia stays the same, just didnt want to color it all in

    • 2 months ago
      OP

      so that there's no confusion

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >that Belgium, Poland, Italy and Serbia
        nice bait mate
        what about people's right to self-determination? Poles in western and northern Poland didn't want to be part of Germany.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Disgusting

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Big Germany
    >big Hungary
    >Big Greece
    Damn imagine hitting the butthurt belt checklist this hard, also imagine making a worst treaty than Versailles

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you forgot
      >big Belgium

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hasn't anyone considered that the best route for future peace is to just partition Russia's land out between the European nations so they're not a problem in the future?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the best route for future peace is to just partition Russia's land out between the European nations
      No

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you may not like it but this is how the most stable and just Europe would look like:

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >lets give greeks and serbs a future war against Turkey Bulgaria and Albania who all 3 were allied to Germany in the first war
    I agree lets do it

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i ACTUALLY fixed the versailles treaty, lighter blue are french client states

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The dark green thing should be purple

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Here is the last and final map. Peace for all time.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Where do you get these maps?

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only good map ITT. I appreciate you

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That flag is inspired.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Schleswig_plebiscites
    Anybody who gives Germany Northern Slesvig is moronic

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >caring about PLEBiscites

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Better, in this timeline I hope that there'd be a mass population transfer from the former German lands into the new German states, and vice versa. Deporting all the Czechs to Prussia and the Germans to Silesia or Bohemia would solve the over lapping claims.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Deporting all the Czechs
      Nah they stay were they are, with the south german kingdom, the rest, yeah.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Czechs can not be trusted to live civilly. They need to be deported and Polanized.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >is this alternate versailles treaty after ww1 that i came up with realistic? i think this would be the best guarantee for future peace
    No, the whole point of WW1 and WW2 was to prevent Germany from being a hegemon in Europe. If you don't understand this you will continue to draw moronic maps.

    In order for this to have happened, Germany would have had to win in the West.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Praise my name because I just figured it out

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hungary and Belgium far too big

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My version

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Give Germans the corridor, expand the Dutch to include all of the Rhein and rename it the Confederation of the Rhine.
      Combine Denmark and Norway, and then combine Sweden and Finland.
      Latvia and Estonia should form a Baltic union under joint Swedish and Polish protection.
      Hungary as usual is far too big, and Bulgaria is too big as well for a vanquished enemy, partition it more and give it to Serbia to pacify it forever under a larger Yugoslavia.
      Greece and Pontus should be united, and that Armenia or Kurdistan should be communist as well.

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