Is Wayland a very elaborate prank?

Is Wayland a very elaborate prank?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    more like wayl"gay"nd

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    On a long enough time scale, everybody gets fricked by Red Hat.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      when are you gnusisters going to realise that linux will never be a viable desktop?

      underrated

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Windows hasn't been a viable desktop since 7
        The amount of time I have to spend to get anything working is fricking absurd!
        I occasionally tried a vm for stuff I couldn't get working in ganoo+looniks, I have since learned better and don't even try to anymore

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          arguably windows only started getting viable at vista due to the extra layers of security for an increasingly hostile internet

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Vista itself however was a dumb shit show that only clueless millennials now idolize.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it was buggy at first, like most windows releases. and it was slow, due to the extra hardware requirements. but it was fine after it matured. 7 was of course better; i only mentioned vista because that's where 7's level of security came from

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm glad history is redeeming vista. I hope one day the same will happen to Windows ME. The only people that hated Vista and ME were moron updooters trying to run them on outdated hardware.

            t. clueless millennials

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm glad history is redeeming vista. I hope one day the same will happen to Windows ME. The only people that hated Vista and ME were moron updooters trying to run them on outdated hardware.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            sure but you shouldn't have to also replace your printer

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >income
    wew lad

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it would be irrelevant if it wasn't for sway

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      xwayland you mean

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    context?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Author of a FOSS comic named Pepper & Carrot is mad because Fedora/KDE/Wayland broke something in his workflow that made his current and previous tutorials obsolete.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    don't worry in another few years we will get a perfect wayland .xml that fixes all of this on paper, everyone with then scramble to implement it in 10 different ways. Nobody has the tools or experience to test anything and we can tick another wayland 'supports' it box ha-ha but the actual results are shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >tools or experience
      this isn't even the problem, there are many wayland implementations since they chose it to be this way where every single DE and WM has to reimplement everything from scratch, you literally cannot test all of this, even if your time is worthless

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >every single DE and WM has to reimplement everything from scratch
        Was this purposeful nerd-sniping? Is this how MS will maintain desktop dominance?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    im pretty sure wayland would have BEEN fully integrated and stable by now if they hadnt worried about all that secure by design shit. windows doesnt do that and neither does macos even.
    in windows' case, if you have malware keylogging you, thats on you, youre fricked if you somehow got malware past windows defender (which is quite an achievement) and it should not be the display server's job to add security. you have malware running on your pc, you need to remove it, simple as.
    and then there's macos that's just secure by design, from the ground up, no need for the display server to worry about any of that
    basically, wayland feels like they designed it while thinking every proprietary program would be complete malware trying to spy on your every move and frick around with other programs, when that was never an issue all throughout x11 and if you have a program doing that on your pc you need to remove it, not leave it there and think youre okay because "muh wayland is preventing it from getting my keystrokes!"
    because everything else with wayland seems to be okay. the fundamentals are there. but the constraints in the name of security are causing so many things to not work or require loopholes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wayland would work if it was backed by a relevant company, look at sandboxing in phones, it all just works despite being actually secure unlike wayland

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >wayland would work if it was backed by a relevant company
        Funny thing is, it is. But no amount of backing can fix incompetence.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          sorry but I wrote
          >relevant

          theres red hat at least, and now with valve putting some resources/developers into the mix, if wayland isnt in a truly complete state 2 years from now i dont know if it'll ever be

          valve can't even fix Team Fortress 2, game that still makes them money in 2024, why would they care about troonyland

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            RedHat is an NSA asset and all their spy software that is monitoring this post is running on RHEL.
            I think the US government is very much "relevant". They at least have more money than Google or Microsoft.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            sorry I don't care about your schizo theory, they're not relevant

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            RedHat is running xkeyscore.
            Anything the NSA uses is on RedHat.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        theres red hat at least, and now with valve putting some resources/developers into the mix, if wayland isnt in a truly complete state 2 years from now i dont know if it'll ever be

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >look at sandboxing in phones
        When did we start to treat locking out users as something good?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The funny thing is that sabdboxing in phones with permissions popping up is how x11 works with xace (with selinux) and xorg server got support for that 22 years ago.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And thanks to wayland, this is now much harder to accomplish.
          Running a modern GUI application as a different user on wayland requires you to frick around in a non standardized way with wayland, dbus and pipewire (all of which hide in /var/run/user/[pid] and lock themselves from others) and xdg-desktop-portal doesn't work with it by design, because it needs to hook into the processes /root, which it can't do for one under a different user.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't know what you're talking about. What do you think the UAC is where you type the root password? It's a secure environment that cannot be keylogged by user level programs. So there is at least some isolation.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        cool, now where do i type in my online banking credentials?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      problem is the gnome trannies in key position controlling the standard. Its not that hard to get going and most of the non gnome devs have worked out good work around but the gnome devs always turn up and take a huge shit on the work of others and block any good features from getting in. As if they were paid by MS to stir shit up.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I'll also have to communicate why this distro is a terrible choice and put a header 'warning' on all my previous guides
    what a threat, xer three blog readers will make all the difference

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, this is more a Fedora problem than anything. You can see this post is from September (presumably last year)--Fedora pushed KDE on Wayland *way* too early (which I almost suspect was intentional sabotage seeing as Fedora is the definitive footgay distro). Wayland was an experimental session in Plasma 5, and by no means intended to be the default. On the other hand, he really should have known better, seeing as Fedora is known for being a distro that pushes the latest technologies ASAP--this is even the rationale behind the recent proposal to make Fedora a KDE-focused distro, since KDE is starting to outpace GNOME in terms of Wayland functionality.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >he really should have known better
      Yeah, really. If he's doing this as his job then why's he using something that's so likely to break?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yes it's really ironic how people who want customisability refuse to use gentoo because um well because
        >insert reddit meme about how you customize your source codes more than you customize your body

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Every single "customization" you can do on Gentoo can be done on any distro.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If your time is worthless you can fight against your distro's binary packages and tiptoe around assumptions while I will just change an use flag or drop a file into /etc/portage/patches and watch it all just work out of the box because I couldn't care less about your 4597879th fork of yoghurt, archtroony.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't have to "fight" against my distro's packages. They help me and they save me lots of time.

            In those cases where I want to compile myself, I can just apt source <package>, set specific flags myself and compile. Portage USE flags are an opinionated abstraction over a variety of project-specific flags which often don't even cover them all. Ebuild voodoo is an abomination compared to even a simple shell script for building.

            The reason why compiling packages from source on binary-based distros is uncommon is that it results in no practical benefit most of the time.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The reason why compiling packages from source on binary-based distros is uncommon is that it results in no practical benefit most of the time.
            yes because you love systemd and wayland and sucking redhat's dick you moronic debiantroony

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You can run any init system you want in Debian. I can't think of an init system that is not included in the official Debian repos.

            Here is an example for switching to SysV:
            # apt install sysvinit-core
            # reboot
            # apt remove systemd

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            why are you lying? This will result in unbootable system

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What makes you think that? If you are curious, fire up a container/VM and try, it will just work. Or, use whitequark's Ansible: https://github.com/whitequark/infra-server/blob/main/tasks/system.yml#L1-L29

            Think about this for a second: why would repos include packages that make the system "unbootable"? You seem to be incredibly ignorant about what distributions other than Gentoo can do.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm done responding to your bait.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you aren't informed enough about the things you talk about, you should have never posted in the first place.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I am informed enough to know that you cannot run xorg-server as root on debian without tinkertroonying and fighting against the system put in place that tries to force you into using elogind

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's no harder than it is on Gentoo. You can use seatd, for instance, if you really want to avoid elogind.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            on gentoo I just use suid flag for xorg-server and run it as root because my time isn't worthless

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I am informed enough to know that you cannot run xorg-server as root on debian
            >on gentoo I just use suid flag for xorg-server and run it as root
            Genuine moronation, please do stay on Gentoo, it's the perfect distro for you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >genuine moronation
            xorg-server was ran under root for decades

            [...]

            >windows is a toy
            Everyone in engineering and construction uses Windows.

            and is addicted to alcohol and other hard drugs, eats shitty diet and has back problems by the age of 35

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >xorg-server was ran under root for decades
            Yes. So what? That wasn't what you asked, imbecile, you're backpedaling without even realizing it.

            Fact is, running rootless X.org is no easier on Gentoo than it is on most distributions, the fact that you personally don't give a frick and just use the suid bit is irrelevant.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's no way to set suid on debian without tinkertroonying, on gentoo it's natively supported by the package maintainers, troony.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah. If chmod qualifies as "tinkertroonying", then Portage just does the "tinkertroonying" for you instead because you are too stupid to do it yourself. See https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/x11-base/xorg-server/xorg-server-21.1.13.ebuild#n172

            Also, remember that the Gentoo kernel project leader is an actual troony.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >just chmod this just cope with that
            I will just use system that has chmod in the build because my time isn't worthless.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Idiot, that is literally what Portage does under the hood for you and it's just one command. It's not even part of the build proper, you don't have to build the package from source at all to achieve this nor do you have to rely on the maintainer. If you think Unix-like systems (and OSes in general) are supposed to be these glass bubbles where you're not supposed to touch anything yourself, buy a Mac instead.

            Running a simple chmod to solve your nonexistent problem takes far less time than the totally not worthless time you spent arguing your stupid points.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Link to bread? Want to see more drama

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >release unfinished and let the community fix it
    This shitty mindset is everywhere now. And its always some crap pushed by a corporation like redhat. They don't want to release a working product, they want the max amount of free labour.

    >bro, you can't release this change, it doesnt support x, y and z
    <but if we don't release it, it will never support it! We need to push it so that people are forced to work on it!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >This shitty mindset is everywhere now.
      This is precisely why I stopped using rolling Arch and switched back to Debian.

      Rolling release distros were better overall during roughly the 2010s, when upstream developers actually made sure that versions worked before release. However, the "move fast and break things" gained such a foothold in modern software development that point release distributions have once again become attractive, since they provide a buffer between the user and upstream moronation.

      I do miss Arch, I think it's a far simpler and more streamlined distribution compared to Debian, but it's simply not sustainable with the current upstream attitude.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i just got done in another thread talking about how much more appropriate arch's distro model is compared to debian's. your post has given me pause.

        If your time is worthless you can fight against your distro's binary packages and tiptoe around assumptions while I will just change an use flag or drop a file into /etc/portage/patches and watch it all just work out of the box because I couldn't care less about your 4597879th fork of yoghurt, archtroony.

        or maybe i just need gentoo.

        (or maybe i'll just stay on windows)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      RedHat is an NSA asset and all their spy software that is monitoring this post is running on RHEL.
      I think the US government is very much "relevant". They at least have more money than Google or Microsoft.

      RedHat is running xkeyscore.
      Anything the NSA uses is on RedHat.

      >The reason why compiling packages from source on binary-based distros is uncommon is that it results in no practical benefit most of the time.
      yes because you love systemd and wayland and sucking redhat's dick you moronic debiantroony

      >Red Hat
      Stop deadnaming. It's IBM now.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just. Use. Windows. or Mac.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Mac has awful fonts.
      Windows is a toy, throwinfg ads into your start menu.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >windows is a toy
        Everyone in engineering and construction uses Windows.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, they use software that happens to only run on Windows.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            and that proves that Windows is for true professionals, ignore the fact that truly professional software runs on all 3 major platforms effortlessly...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're proving his point.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      say what you want about troonyland, it still mogs the frick out wangblows and itoddlers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, how so?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    he (like other computer nerds) really used 200ng/dL of his test to complain about... nothing?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, I don't get it either. He should have blasted tren and beat the Fedora maintainers to death instead.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm so confused.
    Desktop gee enn you slash linux is shit for creative visual work. Frankly it's shit for most types of work. It's great for some types of very technical non-visual work (particularly programming) and for servers.
    Why not just use the right tool for the job? If you're a professional graphic artist and need good colour management, calibration, etc- just use a mac.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't do any kind of work.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Artists not welcome, we got AI.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wayland will be replaced by arcan just like pulseaudio got replaced by pipewire

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's the UNIX methodology summarized quite well. Nothing to do with Wayland.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get it
    1. Plasma 6 definitely has color management support
    2. Xorg session is still available in Fedora 40
    Looks like troony hysteria than a valid criticism

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >still
      they will drop X11 completely from Fedora

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bullshit

        xorg will outlive wayland

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          except on Fedora KDE Plasma 6

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No distribution is going to drop X for the foreseeable future. They can claim whatever they want on their blogs and whatnot, but they won't do it in practice because they all know deep down that Wayland, in its current state, is simply not able to replace X.

        When (if?) Wayland actually becomes mature, users and distributions will gradually drop X. But not until then.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          lmao cope and see for yourself

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            as long as there's wayland, there will be xwayland, and xorg is a dependency of xwayland

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I just run debian and still use X11, and I'm planning on doing that for at least 4 more years. If wayland ever stops being buggy shitty ass garbage I might consider using it, but we're still far away from that day.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To be fair at least fedora kde tried to work with him to get his graphic tablet working again. Gnome would just close the issue as 'use-case unclear'. Although color management is still non-existent under Wayland.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/yOyder1.png

      Is Wayland a very elaborate prank?

      https://zamundaaa.github.io/wayland/2024/05/11/more-hdr-and-color.html

      literally posted today.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Good for them! But everyone else is still arguing about how to implement it.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >wayland
    you mean fedora, it was them who decided to kill off the xorg session. Though tbf fedora often pushes this sort of stuff earlier than other distros, it was the same with pipewire for example, so it's clear that the intended audience for fedora is people who want to test new tech relatively fast, I couldn't recommend it to not willing to do that

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >"David"
    I am not going to read any of this.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    C and Unix are a prank so all Unix software is also a prank.

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