>is wrong

>is wrong
Unironically, how did he get away with it? Did I miss something?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The most important part of the dialogue is the conversation about Equality and pre-perception Forms which we use to interpret the world. Won’t say more than this becasue platonism is meant to be an esoteric doctrine which is why he hid the good stuff in these meandering dialogues with many bad arguments.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dialogues are not meant to be esoteric, if that's not obvious to you then IQ<=90 (although Laws and Republic are extremely esoteric in places)

      Plato’s real thoughts are intentionally hidden which is why he uses fictional characters to relay opposing ideas. From these discussions you are intended to piece together what he thinks from reaching conclusions on your own instead of dogmatically citing Socrates.

      The fact that the dialogues end in aporia and don't reveal the author's beliefs does not mean that the dialogues teach hidden things. It just means that the subject matter is so transcendent that Plato's actual beliefs transcend immanent conclusions, and can only be described by writing neither one immanent conclusion nor its opposite (i.e. ending in aporia). Also, the characters aren't fictional.

      >platonism is meant to be an esoteric doctrine
      Can you say more about this?

      Platonism has never been a doctrine and it's always been a school. The school's subject matter has always been public, but people have also always provided private and mystical interpretations of the subject. Over time, these private interpretations become occult mystical societies, but the public subject matter is unperturbed.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lol you don’t know shit, Plato concealed his teachings from the masses because he knew they’re too moronic. Which is why he said you must sell them a noble lie. Plato is like Jesus because he sacrificed his reputation with the normies by including a lot of terrible arguments in his books to filter them out, meanwhile dropping absolute golden nuggets inbetween.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >like Jesus
          >hiding stuff
          >le terrible arguments
          thought it couldn't get worse, it did.
          next you'll say the gnostic gospels are "like actually true broo"

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          One of the spurious dialogues or it might’ve been one of the Letters, Plato said writing down your ideas is bad because your enemies could get access to information/ thought.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Plato is like Jesus
          holy reddit

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >platonism is meant to be an esoteric doctrine
    Can you say more about this?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      he made it up.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Plato’s real thoughts are intentionally hidden which is why he uses fictional characters to relay opposing ideas. From these discussions you are intended to piece together what he thinks from reaching conclusions on your own instead of dogmatically citing Socrates.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn’t this just allow anyone to interpret it however they want?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well yeah, obviously. That doesn’t mean Plato believed nothing and all opinions are valid.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            So you can discern what some guy from 2000 years ago, who saw the world completely differently, was secretly communicating in coded ways?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The idea is to get you to independently reach the same conclusions he got. If he wanted an essay format he’s have written essays.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Interpretations of pointers at the truth can only contain elements of the truth anyway. If I tell you an interpretation of an actual truth you should assume I don't have it 100% correct because I have communicated it to you. Im either missing something or am getting some aspect wrong. That is the nature of truths that can only be understood through dialectic or initiation. If I tell you "this is the dow" it definitely isn't the dow. That being said, interpretations can be useful, beautiful, and inspiring so why not also interpret.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >initiation
            >literal example of truth being communicated
            >somehow clearer than just communicating

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Initiation is not communicating a truth, it is leasing someone to a complete experience of a truth because there is an aspect of truth that is lost outside of experience that can not be recaptured in communication. Same goes for dialectic, whose goal is to lead you to the experience of coming to a mental truth yourself in stead so that you get that otherwise unattainable experiential dimension.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            *leasing should be leading.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I understand the literary value but honestly this sounds incredibly tedious and boring to me so I will in future read only secondary literature on plato from the people who have autistically devoted their lives to reading and analyzing Plato

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Plato’s real thoughts are intentionally hidden

        I'm pretty sure he is just really pissed at Athens for killing Socrates, so he wrote whole books on it just to shit on the city.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Also reading this these days. I have to say this is one of the weakest dialogues for sure.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Psyche=! Common conception of the soul

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't matter if it's "right" or "wrong"

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