Is Xorg finished bros?

Is Xorg finished bros?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Works better than Wayland for me. My games also have more FPS.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wayland has stutter in games, x11 has none

      I've had the same issue in Xorg, but it seems to depend on distro

      >muh games
      Advertising Linux to Wintoddlers was a mistake.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        sorry to burst your bubble but I play everything on your OS. nothing personal, I always win cash out games in THE FINALS!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >all work and no play makes john a dull boy
        if u were using linux u would've known this saying

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >NOOO!!! YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE FUN ON LINUX!!! IT'S FOR BITTER AND SAD NECK BEARDS ONLY!!!

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, and that's a good thing.
    Finished software is working software

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    not yet. not until wayland at least gets out of pre-alpha stage. it'll be replaced eventually, but it'll take years likely

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is no working alternative.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      /Thread

      Push Wayland as much as they want, it'll never get adopted when it keeps having so many graphical glitches and errors.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It'll never get adopted

        I guess nobody uses GNOME, KDE, XFCE, Mate, Cosmic, Budgie, etc.
        All of those are adopting Wayland.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And they'll either fix it or they're gonna revert it after being hit with support tickets

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They're fixing it. Nobody is reverting anything. There's no appetite to go back to X11. It has no future.

            Wayland couldn't even show a tasklist in a taskbar / panel until people wrote libraries to do this.
            If Wayland can't do something then they'll make it do it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            see you in 40 years, it should reach feature parity with Windows 7 by then
            probably

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          99% of desktop users use Windows.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's xorgver

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wayland has stutter in games, x11 has none

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I've had the same issue in Xorg, but it seems to depend on distro

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I only have stutters in some specific games if I forget to disable my compositor, otherwise it's fine

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Wayland works, just do the old PulseAudio in 2008 routine where you turn it off when it doesn't or reboot
          No. Holy frick no.
          I haven't tried Wayland at all, I refuse to install it, but if it's like PulseAudio is then it can join the package ban list with it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I never said anything about wayland anon. my post was about X11

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What browser do you use to avoid pulseaudio?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Firefox these days, thanks to some sensibility at Mozilla and a Debian maintainer willing to try something in 2018.
            I used Chrome, begrudgingly, until Manifest V2 went EOL, and I'm glad I went back to Firefox, for now.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, I couldn't get audio to work on firefox without pulseaudio, what did you do?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Step 0. Compile with --enable-alsa. Your distributor is probably doing this by default since Mozilla's asinine frick-you in 2017
            >Step 1. Start Firefox from a shell window, watch for "sandbox warnings"
            >Step 2. See if audio works. If it does, great you're done, else goto 3 (seems to be the case pretty often with 115 and above)
            >Step 3. Navigate to about:config, click through the prompt.
            >Step 4. Set media.cubeb.sandbox to false
            >Step 5. Add any syscalls blocked by sandboxing to security.sandbox.content.syscall_whitelist comma separated
            >Step 6. Restart firefox, goto 2.
            I'm hoping that the Firefox team works over their bugtracker and makes the sandboxing intelligent enough to not block ALSA inadvertently in a subsequent release. The syscall stuff only matters on the first go, so as far as I could figure out it was something to do with fopen calls on the control device.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            do linux users really

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >do linux users really
            What you're replying to is 99% of the "fun" of using telemetry. The rest is avoiding wangblows telemetry and bloat.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Whoops, I meant
            >"fun" of using linux

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            OK I removed the pulseaudio USE flag, got everything recompiled, it didn't work at first but I set the sandbox flag to false and added a syscall to the whitelist and now I'm pulseaudio free, thanks.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Step 0. Compile with --enable-alsa. Your distributor is probably doing this by default since Mozilla's asinine frick-you in 2017
            >Step 1. Start Firefox from a shell window, watch for "sandbox warnings"
            >Step 2. See if audio works. If it does, great you're done, else goto 3 (seems to be the case pretty often with 115 and above)
            >Step 3. Navigate to about:config, click through the prompt.
            >Step 4. Set media.cubeb.sandbox to false
            >Step 5. Add any syscalls blocked by sandboxing to security.sandbox.content.syscall_whitelist comma separated
            >Step 6. Restart firefox, goto 2.
            I'm hoping that the Firefox team works over their bugtracker and makes the sandboxing intelligent enough to not block ALSA inadvertently in a subsequent release. The syscall stuff only matters on the first go, so as far as I could figure out it was something to do with fopen calls on the control device.

            Jack works too by the way. If you're compiling it yourself then you might as well enable that too.

            On my Gentoo system I only use Firefox with JACK for audio output (via PipeWire's emulation system, I wish cubeb had a native PipeWire backend)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What's your use for browser audio? Unironic question.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        if you use a window manager without a compositor and no tearfree option when x11 is the smoothest option that you can have. Its smoother than wayland and windows.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're a fricking moron, no games run on Wayland natively, they're all using X11 via XWayland. It's X11 that's stuttering.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > write terrible compatibility layer for X
        > blame X when compatibility layer shits the bed
        Thanks Rabbi.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's not the compatibility layers fault if X11 is shit. Ideally applications would port to Wayland. A lot already have.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > X11 works without said issues
            > suddenly, has all the issues in Wayland
            > somehow morons blame X11
            Am I being antisemitic?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's still using X11, it's nothing to do with Wayland. All XWayland does is act like the Xorg Server but instead of outputting to a real physical display it composites onto a Wayland surface, that's it.

            All your issues are with X11 still.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > have no such issues with xorg
            > have such issues with X11 in Wayland
            > somehow anon blames X11
            Yeah, this is not going anywhere. I'll stick with my uncomposed Xorg server until Wayland has feature parity at least. I do need my ICC profile loading.

          • 1 month ago
            Anοnymουs

            He has failed to explain to you that your X-compatible programs now have to render each frame onto a rootless X that is instanced by wayland and then wayland takes this buffer and renders it.
            So in simple words the sollution was to add another layer between your program and the DRI.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        no you are moronic. it doesn't stutter with x11. It stutters on wayland because of forced vsync. It also happens in wine wayland. Wayland compositors stutter when games run at fps 2 times the refresh rate. This is is something that cant be fixed.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Then you're using a shit compositor. Vsync shouldn't cause stutters.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this happens in all wayland compositors when games run at 2x the refresh rate. I tested with kde plasma and wlroots (hyprland)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It shouldn't happen in Kwin, maybe you should update it.
            Kwin is capable of disabling vsync for fullscreen applications and bypassing the compositor altogether.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            let me guess you have an nvidia gpu

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            no, amd rx 7800 xt

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            user issue, sitting on the same gpu with no problems

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            run a game at around 2x the refresh rate and see how panning stutters. Or you are so used to stutter that you dont even see it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you're using a shit compositor
            synonymous to "you're using wayland"

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    GLX or bust.
    Works great, rock solid stable, tearing issues have been fixed for like 10 years.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Xorg is still included in the Ubuntu 24.04 LTS, which now has 12 years of support. So Xorg will be available until 2036 at least.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't been able to get it to work with my nvidia card and three monitors yet. I'm considering trading the card with something AMD.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      oh and by it I meant Wayland

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All I had to do to make it work with 2 monitors and a 4070TI was to add nvidia-drm.modeset=1

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    x4ever

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Is Xorg finished bros?
    sadly: yes
    replaced by alpha-state *protocol* Wayland with several barely-compatible pre-alpha-state implementations.
    fricking trannies, I hope they all die.

    2003-2008 was peak Linux desktop with KDE3, far better and faster than windows XP at the time
    after 2008 it's downhill lead by imbeciles and traitors

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ubuntu 10.10 was the last good linux distro

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I remember seeing a commit in the xorg server from 2008 that was reverted because "wayland is around the corner", when they didn't want to properly test the commit. Wayland has held back the linux desktop at least 10 years.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, and we won't make progress until a successor to wayland is made. Wayland is already a dead end.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I remember seeing a commit in the xorg server from 2008 that was reverted because "wayland is around the corner", when they didn't want to properly test the commit.
        that's fricking laughable
        >Wayland has held back the linux desktop at least 10 years.
        this
        fricking traitors and trannies
        they should be exterminated
        16 years wasted
        16 - fricking - years
        and it still doesn't even work, probably won't be compatible with anything for the next 5 years
        and yet the trannies ae forcibly pushing it on end users
        like the fedora tipping trannies with KDE only being shipped with Wayland now despite KDE still officially supporting and recommending Xorg
        they all deserve a fricking rope

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >because they are still "discussing" them
          It's pretty impressive that Wayland managed to out bikeshed the X Consortium.
          I've noticed that with newer projects, there's no appetite for things which break down the basic organization of the system, while in older projects that shit was either handled or extensions made for it. Anything which goes against the "intended" way to use the program is met with inaction and bureaucracy, and not code.
          >copy paste only works because the sound server picked up doing that because the display server couldn't be bothered
          is so pants on head stupid it defies imagination.

          what's even funnier is that proprietary versions of xorg/x11 got features and fixes not integrated into freetard one, that were meant for wayland and that was BEFORE wayland was even a thing. Also i've got X JIHAD on Captcha, kekw.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > alpha-state
      Its not alpha, alpha implies that it lacks intended features that will be implemented in the future.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        oh, yeah
        it lacks intended features which future is still uncertain because they are still "discussing" them

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >because they are still "discussing" them
          It's pretty impressive that Wayland managed to out bikeshed the X Consortium.
          I've noticed that with newer projects, there's no appetite for things which break down the basic organization of the system, while in older projects that shit was either handled or extensions made for it. Anything which goes against the "intended" way to use the program is met with inaction and bureaucracy, and not code.
          >copy paste only works because the sound server picked up doing that because the display server couldn't be bothered
          is so pants on head stupid it defies imagination.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >>copy paste only works because the sound server picked up doing that because the display server couldn't be bothered
            KILL ALL WAYLAND TRANNIES

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >>copy paste only works because the sound server picked up doing that because the display server couldn't be bothered
            KILL ALL WAYLAND TRANNIES

            That's not even how copy and paste works at all. I don't know who perpetuated the myth that the clipboard goes through the sound server but that doesn't reflect reality.
            https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/apa.html#protocol-spec-wl_data_offer

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wayland suffers from modern windows text blur.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah sure whatever two more weeks.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >i must upgroooooooode!

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    long lasting agony, hope they finally suppress him

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No mostly because of Nvidia

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's x.com actually. the org domain is reserved for organisations, while x formerly twitter is a for profit commercial website.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wish that were the case but wayland is still utter trash.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's been at least a decade since I've heard people claiming Xorg is dead. Something tells me its not going anywhere.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Deprecated from RHEL
      It's going.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'll be surprised if its gone before I'm(38) dead.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's Redhat so deprecated means they'll still probably keep it around but no more support.
          That's the nail in the coffin for some enterprises that rely on it.

          Everything will be XWayland from here on out and there's a lot of work going on in XWayland lately likely to facilitate some of the use-cases Redhats customers have.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think Wayland has lots of promise but it's development is worse than Duke Nukem: Forever at this point.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What DE does redhat use out of the box (if it's not an install option)?

            X11 is complete

            X11 is like a pizzabox computer where all your components are barely held together by masking tape. It works, but it's barely coherent. Wayland is fricking broken garbage, however. Shit like this gets my conspiracy mind working that wayland as a software project was deliberately designed to sabotage the linux desktop.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            GNOME. They don't even provide other desktops like KDE (that's left to other community repositories of packages like EPEL).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            X11 is a dead horse with a kit car build around it
            it's corpse dragged into the 21st century despite it's original design being wholly unsuited for it
            it works great, just don't look inside

            wayland on the other hand... is a half-assembled kit car mounted on a horse
            it's marginally more fresh, but still missing a lot to even keep up with what X11 has had for ages

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah no shit wayland and tons of other moronic projects are specifically designed to sabotage the linux desktop. Linux peaked in 2010 and it has been downhill from there.
            pulse audio, then systemd, then gayland and now rust. Probably others I am forgetting.
            All with red hat or some other big$ pulling the strings, and the skilled programmers who should be writing new and cool software now have to waste time trying to figure out ways to continue using what already worked. It isn't just linux either it is all computer software. They are trying to make it so they have perma job security by creating never ending projects and things that have to be "maintained" instead of just writing stable functional software. Meanwhile the end user is stuck with garbage core functionality and fake innovation or change for the sake of change.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The crazy thing about wayland is how pointless it is. It's built on the same things modern X is kms, libdrm, libxkb, libinput and so on. The best case scenario for the year of the wayland desktop is for example rendering like X did a decade ago, give or take a buffer swap. You're talking about a decade+ of active development spread across libwayland, mutter, kwin, weston and wlroots for the sake of zero copy compositing and window isolation. As though for X.org freedesktop.org couldn't have implemented the window access control extension in the core protocol and fixed up compositing in 10 years?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    pretty much, switch to an AMD gpu for now

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    X11 is complete

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      complete bullshit

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It will be around for at least a decade. But going forward, the development is happening on Wayland side and it'll become the default. So you'll lose out on some shit and might have to jump through a few hoops but you'll be able to use it.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wayland is not a replacement for Xorg.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, still the only way to calibrate your screens unless you want to use GNOME.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm using it for my new custom desktop environment.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I will never use Wayland.
    I will never use GNOME.
    I will never use SystemD.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, and yet it still works better than the supposed replacement.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I keep trying Wayland and being disappointed. I'll keep using x11 until a working replacement exists.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently it is, yet it works better than gayland.

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