>it still took them another 10 years to win, after Athens had shat itself and lost it's entire army and fleet in Sicily

>it still took them another 10 years to win, after Athens had shat itself and lost it's entire army and fleet in Sicily
>and even then it was still a close call
Sparta was a mistake.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    tfw you will never sail the iron age aegean with your bros...

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Spartans are le warrior autists
    Spartans spent more time hunting, sailing, fishing, and in the gym than Athenians, their personal libraries were not only larger but they sought more foreign works than Athenians.
    Athens being the "intellectuals" of Greece is solely the result of Plato establishing his school there. Spartans did not spend most of their time training or fighting or working, they spent the majority of their time in luxury, with training as a secondary. other greeks believed Spartans trained all the time because Spartans never dispelled the myth and Spartans training 3 days out of the week is still more than the average Greek.
    Overall the Spartans were more like Aristocrats with a fascination regarding warfare, than a warrior society with a fascination with aristocracy.

    now go ahead and seethe at a race more intelligent and capable than yours.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Spartans lost wars as often as they won them despite being an autistically martial culture with a hype train across all of Greece, and today Sparta no longer exists because the city faded into irrelevance due to its garbage policies, while Athens never ceased to be an important center of trade, culture, and philosophy.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >autistically martial culture
        how much do you actually know about Spartans?
        >lost wars
        generally due to poor politics, their battle record was impeccable (for greeks)
        >athens never ceased to be important
        athens ceased to be important in 350 BC.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >their battle record was impeccable (for greeks)
          They have a 50/50 win rate in battles what are you on about

          >athens ceased to be important in 350 BC.
          Nice bait

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            He's right though, after the 30 Tyrants and Athen's long wall got dismantled, they ceased being politically relevant players.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's a strong case for dating the stagnation of Athens before Alexander. I am swayed!

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sicily fricked them, then Sparta blockaded Athens into submission. The long walls got torn down, and Critias went proto-Hitlor mode alongside the other 30 tyrants. Hard to recover from that.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >while Athens never ceased to be an important center of trade, culture, and philosophy.

        The truth is even worse. It went into decline after Alexander's campaigns and the geographic center spread to other city states. The golden age for Athens ended after about two hundred years. Two hundred years after Alexander comes Sulla, who razed Athens. Athens was never again a regional power. By the time the Ottomans had their way with the Greek home realm, Athens had less than 3000 people around by the early 1800s. Most were itinerate shepherds, retired Turkish soldiers, or Ottoman officials.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >now go ahead and seethe at a race more intelligent and capable than yours.
      ?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's an ethnic thing for him because he thinks the dorics looked like him so to speak.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I see

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That was still more then anybody else at the time. Spartans had one of the first professional armies, even if Troy and Macedon later completely eclipsed them.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cope. Sparta struck to their strategy of raiding Attica and retreating and won

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >won
      More like Athens lost. If not for the Sicilian debacle, Sparta stood no chance. After only one land battle loss to Thebes, they became irrelevant for the rest of their short history. What a joke of a state.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw Athens loses a sea battle to Sparta despite a number advantage
    Umm, naval sisters?

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >after Athens had shat itself and lost it's entire army and fleet in Sicily

    No problem bro, got you another chest of gold, just keep on fighting!
    - Persian Kang of Kangs

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    have you researched the war at all other than skimming wikipedia articles?
    the athenians just defended their city walls as they had enough men to repel assaults and took advantage of their naval superiority to prevent a blockade
    the spartans slowly started building up their own navy, which overperformed despite the inexperience of the crews and the athenian traditional superiority, and eventually crushed the athenians to the point of a sustainable blockade

    both were sound strategies and if anything, spartans achieved more than you would expect by actually making athens surrender unconditionally

    if you wanted to cry about sparta you could focus on how quickly they lost their gains after what should have normally been a silver age of spartan hegemony

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    itt: people who think civilizations have buff counters and starting characteristics.
    Sparta organized itself to churn out a sect of 'autistic warrior elites'. Sparta was organized increasingly around widowed money from the ruling and warrior classes. Their helot problem was uniquely large and only increasingly so. They had trouble developing an 'advanced city state' because personal property mostly tied itself to a warrior's death; a slash and burn effect hampered both military and cultural progress. Many aspects of their culture were straight anti-production and uniquely so.
    Get a grip and read a book before posting.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Remember the spartan population was already in decline. Thos was Athens war to lose.

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