Just found out that Norse runes are based on the Phonecian alphabet..

Did our ancestors really see alphabet letters and think they were magic and start worshipping them..? That’s some African-tier cargo cult shit if true.. Feels bad man..

Please tell me there’s more to it than that

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They probably used it to trade metals with Phoenicians

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I know but.. The thing about Odin getting them from the Mimir well and using them for magical powers, what is that about..? Why?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Where does that come from? And when was it written?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's butchering the runatal, which was written during iceland's christianization.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It’s probably nonsense like how royal families claimed to be descended from Roman emperos

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Norse didn't use runes as magic, or at least not primarily, but as writing. Plenty of perfectly mundane inscriptions on runestones.
    Runes = magic was a later idea.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is false, oldest inscriptions are random “letters” clearly invoking supernatural powers, such as within sealed tombs and on weapons, clearly not meant to be “read” by anyone. Plus everyone knows Odin did a ritual sacrifice to acquire the esoteric knowledge of the runes in the first place, so clearly they have a magical significance first and foremost.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >oldest inscriptions are random “letters” clearly invoking supernatural powers
        The oldest inscriptions are names and phrases written on objects like the Vimose comb or that helmet that was found/published earlier this year

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    futhark is in all likelihood based on a greek script if anything.
    Also, the norse did not worship runes, they worshipped the power of language. Runes, being letters, could be combined to make words, and words used in a certain way could have a magical effect. An incantation, essentially.
    The actual runes themselves were only seen as magical by the christians who saw them as weird, esoteric voodoo shit.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >they worshipped the power of language
      That sounds like some Semite-tier schizophrenic shit.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >That sounds like some Semite-tier schizophrenic shit.
        just because the abrahamic faiths are the largest in the world doesn't mean they have a monopoly on prayer.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's fine to play make-believe and talk to your imaginary friends when you're 5 years old, but when you're a 40 year old man with a wife and kids it's pretty fricking cringe.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            2005 called, it wanted your pimple-faced fedora atheism back

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      to prove my point, take a look at the ribe skull fragment
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribe_skull_fragment
      the runes themselves are not magical, but they are arranged into a prayer asking for relief from the gods, and that's what gives them their magical substance.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        How viking LARPers look when they find out that ancient Germanic peoples just had an alphabet that they wrote prayers in and didn't run around casting spells half naked and looking like DND Barbarian He-Men

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >viKANGZ are cargo cult voodoo morons! How embarrassing!
          >"actually their religious practices were pretty reasonable"
          >haha oh man, the viKANGZ weren't even IRL conan the barbarian warrior people?????? How embarrassing!
          what the frick did scandichads do to cause people to autistically froth at the mouth whenever they get brought up?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, the norse did not worship runes, they worshipped the power of language.
      They worshiped the Aesir, Vanir, Alfar, and Disir. "Language" isn't an entity.

      >Runes, being letters, could be combined to make words, and words used in a certain way could have a magical effect. An incantation, essentially.
      Correct, but they also have ideographic properties.

      >The actual runes themselves were only seen as magical by the christians who saw them as weird, esoteric voodoo shit.
      No, the Germanics saw the runes as magical, or at least used in magical practices. They stick-figures that are used to spell things are just symbols derived from Egyptian Hieroglyphics, but "the runes" are not the symbols, they're the sacred mysteries that describe and compose reality. This is why the word used is "rune", meaning "mystery" or "secret". Compare Latin where "littera" derives either from a Greek word meaning "tablet" or from a Latin root meaning "to smear". Also compare the Old English neologism bocstaef, which is the ancestor of "bookstaff".

      I know but.. The thing about Odin getting them from the Mimir well and using them for magical powers, what is that about..? Why?

      Odin gets the runes from hanging on Yggdrassil for nine nights, he learns secrets from Mimir. These sacred mysteries were, at some point, conflated with the writing system (possibly as a memorization aid), but they're two separate things.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Snowmonkey will be like :oooh-aaah- nice lethurs-let me steal it

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Please tell me there’s more to it than that

    I think every letter is a full thought and that this rule goes to the highest heaven.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I really don't see how any of this is any weirder than any other religion...seems forced.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's all hieroglyphs dumb c**t. All of modern society either write in Egyptian or Chinese.
    Last cuneiform derived writing was from first century CE. Same for mesoamerican shit, linear a+b, vinca script, rongorongo...all dead

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      shut up nerd, egyptians didn’t have an alphabet, they used emojis like dumb zoomers

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    This has been heavily contested, and is most likely false.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      > /misc/ revisionist cope

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Raetic, Greek, and Phoenician all emerge around the same time.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    we're not 100% sure where they come from, but I tend to fall in an early Greek derivative camp, rather than a Latinate origin. Go look up Linear A & Linear B, and you'll see what I mean. They're very "Runic" in appearance.

    The Greeks knew of "Hyperborea"(Scandi), as well. They were also both, naval/boatfolk, which means travel and trade. Not to mention all of the Greek Gods being "fair skinned", "clear eyed", "Xanthos", blonde in art and on sculpture, etc...

    The more we dig, the older the Runes become, as well. We now have definitive, Runic inscriptions that are over 2000 years old that are perfectly legeable and use familiar syntax. Not many other languages can do that, and there's surely more to find.

    As for them being "magical", ehhhhh maybe "ceremonial" is a better word. All forms of writing are used in "ritual" behavior at the very least, but we don't have a "Magic Rune" manual, or anything like that.

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