Losif Lazaridis

Why exactly do some people treat him as some kind of faker or untrustworthy biased person? Is there any exact reason for this or is it just due to particular prejudices?
Anyway, I read your articles and they seem normal to me without "politics", I don't know what her problem is. He's not even a leftist...
Many of his studies are used by the same people who don't like him here, which is actually ironic.
I would like to know what about your studies you think is wrong

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because stupidity is endemic to this board (or maybe to this entire website). There are some anti-Mediterraneanists here and they constantly shitpost by insulting South Europeans.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The sad truth is Middle Eastern people like Greeks, Portuguese and Ashkenazi are mindbroken by the fact that Indo-European is an ANE language distantly related to Lakota and not an Arabic language and they will keep pumping out "scientific" papers and blogposts to fight this reality year after year while the science has been settled already for a decade. CLV doesn't exist and Remontnoye was a dead end produced by ANE males having sex with post-CHG Caucasian females.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      100% schizo

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tell me, what the frick does Remontnoye have to do with Yamna or Corded Ware?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          did the yamnaya come from the ground? Just answer me yes or no?
          You realize that the PIE weren't magical people created out of nowhere, right? the same with the SS

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >did the yamnaya come from the ground?
            No, they were the product of populations which lived in the steppe circa 7000-6000 BC with minor ancestor from the Trypillian farmers of SW Ukraine. They had virtually nothing to do with post-CHG Caucasians.
            >the same with the SS
            Sredny Stog is a brainlet or actually a moron filter. There was no such thing in a genetic sense. It contained a multitude of genetic types with the majority of which being too WHG-shifted to contribute to PIE let alone be PIE. It would be more useful if this concept was permanently dropped from discourse since it just makes moronic fricks go in full circles.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sredny Stog is a term for an archaeological culture which predates genetic research. It turns out there is an identifiable SS genetically too and it is between their Yamnaya descendants and the earlier inhabitants of the CLV, naturally. It is a moron filter only in the sense that anyone getting angry about the fact SS are clearly PIE is just a browncel coping.

            Archaeologists knew SS were the first to ride horses back in the 80's. They pioneered a crude version of the pastoralist cowboy lifestyle which the Yamnaya improved on. Nearly all of the Yamnaya burial customs come from SS, with the exception of the "kurgan" itself which seems to arise in South Russia

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            SS are not CLV but another "cline population" albeit one with more Mesolithic qualities to it. They are not very important.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            SS are not CLV but another "cline population" albeit one with more Mesolithic qualities to it. They are not very important.

            Btw the idea that SS contributed to PIE in a significant way is a brownmaxxer fantasy. They brute forced a model in which post-CHG South Caucasian ancestry and HG-shifted SS-related ancestry cancel each other out.
            So in a sense Harvard browncels are using SS as a tool against Europeans with their fake models which can't be replicated.
            In a true-to-reality model where there is virtually zero Armenia_N in Yamnaya I do not believe there would be much if any need for SS either.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >SS contributed to PIE
            PIE was a language, not a genetic group, you dumb Black person. You will never find any evidence of the Proto-Indo-European language in any genetics test because it's just a reconstructed proto-language. You will never actually know who actually spoke Proto-Indo-European (or whether it even existed) unless you had a literal time travelling machine and nothing short of that since it was never attested.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Proto-Indo-Europeans had a specific genotype which differs very little between the founding stock of Corded Ware and regular Yamnaya.
            What this genotype contains is the debate.
            Harvard is trying to force a narrative in which the Anatolian ancestry in Proto-Indo-Europeans came from Armenia while in reality it probably just came from the Trypillians. The only way to deceive people into thinking it was from Armenia is to use WHG-shifted samples in their modeling which make up for the dearth of WHG in Armenia relative to Trypillia, do you understand?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Proto-Indo-Europeans
            We don't even know what Proto-Indo-European sounded like. How the frick do you expect us to know who spoke Proto-Indo-European? For all I know, you might as well just be talking about elves and banshees.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What this genotype contains is the debate
            therefore, it is not a genetic group. that simple

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I only recently realized how based Sredny Stog and other similar populations were. Literal hunter-gatherers just innovating and discovering the complexity and value they needed to trade in herding and growing grains, rather than going full grain Neolithic. Generating all the Indo-Europeans, the pantheons and myths that would follow and creating warrior traditions. VGH.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The new Sredni Stog burial posture (on the back with the knees raised) and standard orientation (head to the east-northeast) copied that of the Khvalynsk culture on the Volga (figure 11.8). The communal collective grave pits of DDII were abandoned. Individual single graves took their place. Cemeteries also became much smaller. The DDII cemetery near Dereivka had contained 173 individuals, most of them in large communal grave pits. The Sredni Stog cemetery near Dereivka contained only 12 graves, all single burials. Sredni Stog communities probably were smaller and more mobile.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it seems that the farmers did not really exterminate the HG, to the point that they were kurgan elites. and the previous theories were right;
            it's very trite to attribute kurgans as an invention or something inherently IE. however, they were wrong to say that they were CHG, in this case they were WHG or EHG burials

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Related Sredni Stog - Anatolia (oldest division)
            Yamnaya -> Afanasievo - Tocharian

            Corded Ware - ancestor of Balto-Slavic, Indo-Iranian, Germanic, Italo-Celtic

            Yamnaya-> Catacomb - ancestor of Greek, Paleo- Balkans, Armenians

            Afterwards, the CWC split into the Eastern CWC (Balto-Slavic, Indo-Iranian) and Bell Beakers (Germanic, Italo-Celtic).

            The Germanic could also be from CWC->Battle Axe, not necessarily from Beakers.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Btw the idea that SS contributed to PIE in a significant way is a brownmaxxer fantasy
            Hmmmm
            >Were the people of the Sredni Stog culture knights? Without bit wear or some other pathology associated with riding, we can't be sure. Dereivka objects tentatively identified as horn cheeks for bits could have had other functions. One way to approach this question is to ask whether Late Eneolithic steppe societies behaved like horsemen. It seems so to me. Greater mobility (implied by smaller cemeteries), more long-distance trade, greater prestige and power for prominent individuals, weapons of status appearing in tombs, and intensified warfare against settled agricultural communities are all things we would expect to occur after the cavalcade begins, and we we see them most clearly in cemeteries of the Suvorovo-Novodanilovka type.
            They were the PIE. At least culturally

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >did the yamnaya come from the ground?
            No, they were the product of populations which lived in the steppe circa 7000-6000 BC with minor ancestor from the Trypillian farmers of SW Ukraine. They had virtually nothing to do with post-CHG Caucasians.
            >the same with the SS
            Sredny Stog is a brainlet or actually a moron filter. There was no such thing in a genetic sense. It contained a multitude of genetic types with the majority of which being too WHG-shifted to contribute to PIE let alone be PIE. It would be more useful if this concept was permanently dropped from discourse since it just makes moronic fricks go in full circles.

            Is this some kind of new coping theory? Srendy stog formed, lived and existed in Ukraine as it also carried Ukrainian Neolithic DNA.
            Later, it expanded eastward, displacing progressive groups and creating what would become the yamnaya.

            By the way, Kamchatkans only carry N and C.
            all Yamnaya, Afanasievo and CWC carry Ukrainian N and Neolithic Balkan DNA.
            Something absent in the eastern steppe.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sredni Stog wasn't homogeneous. It seems like some Yamnaya-like groups expanded, the more Ukrainian HG-like largely disappeared.

            >Btw the idea that SS contributed to PIE in a significant way is a brownmaxxer fantasy
            Hmmmm
            >Were the people of the Sredni Stog culture knights? Without bit wear or some other pathology associated with riding, we can't be sure. Dereivka objects tentatively identified as horn cheeks for bits could have had other functions. One way to approach this question is to ask whether Late Eneolithic steppe societies behaved like horsemen. It seems so to me. Greater mobility (implied by smaller cemeteries), more long-distance trade, greater prestige and power for prominent individuals, weapons of status appearing in tombs, and intensified warfare against settled agricultural communities are all things we would expect to occur after the cavalcade begins, and we we see them most clearly in cemeteries of the Suvorovo-Novodanilovka type.
            They were the PIE. At least culturally

            There's little evidence for horse riding in Sredni Stog. I think some later studies proved that the Dereivka tool wasn't a horse bit.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >There's little evidence for horse riding in Sredni Stog
            in truth no.
            do you realize that there is more evidence of SS chivalry than the yamnaya or even the corded ware? as mentioned here

            https://i.imgur.com/JNAnsAi.jpeg

            Sredny Stog is a term for an archaeological culture which predates genetic research. It turns out there is an identifiable SS genetically too and it is between their Yamnaya descendants and the earlier inhabitants of the CLV, naturally. It is a moron filter only in the sense that anyone getting angry about the fact SS are clearly PIE is just a browncel coping.

            Archaeologists knew SS were the first to ride horses back in the 80's. They pioneered a crude version of the pastoralist cowboy lifestyle which the Yamnaya improved on. Nearly all of the Yamnaya burial customs come from SS, with the exception of the "kurgan" itself which seems to arise in South Russia

            All these archaeological continuity are not coincidences.
            Do you know what the greatest evidence of yamnaya gentleman is?
            The closest thing to yamnaya horses ever found is a yamnaya with crushed balls.
            Their burials are poor and primitive, their pottery is inverted, etc.
            basically, you are looking for a type of evidence that is actually not possible to find, especially in the region and at the time. There is more evidence for SS chivalry than any other group

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >do you realize that there is more evidence of SS chivalry than the yamnaya or even the corded ware
            There isn't.

            But you know that Sredni Stog burials aren't rich either? You're basically making stuff up. I don't know what kind of burials you even imagine.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. I won

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Won what? You described Yamnaya graves as poor when they were buried under kurgans, often with a wagon, copper daggers and other copper tools.
            Sredni Stog were in the stone age. They had no wagons and were sometimes buried with stone blades.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Normally they were not buried with wagons

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was not. Sredni Stog is similar to Yamnaya

            Won what? You described Yamnaya graves as poor when they were buried under kurgans, often with a wagon, copper daggers and other copper tools.
            Sredni Stog were in the stone age. They had no wagons and were sometimes buried with stone blades.

            No? Why are you and your girlfriend such liars? my son, EVERYONE on the steppes (even the CWC) used stone tools. the Yamnaya were very poor.
            richest burial yamnaya
            This is the richest Yamnaya tomb of all time.

            >Figure 13.9 Utyevka Cemetery I, kurgan 1, grave 1, between 2800 and 2500 BC, central Volga region. The richest burial and among the largest kurgans (more than 100 m in diameter) of the Yamnaya-Poltavka horizon. Gold rings with grained decoration, ceramic vase, copper axe, copper dagger, copper pin with iron head, copper flat axe, copper awl and stone pestle. After Vasiliev 1980.
            the best preserved wagon is literally maykop. yamnaya didn't use metals
            You both are dumb as frick. Jesus!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Did you even look at this?

            https://i.imgur.com/Hl6L3ge.jpeg

            [...]
            Btw the idea that SS contributed to PIE in a significant way is a brownmaxxer fantasy. They brute forced a model in which post-CHG South Caucasian ancestry and HG-shifted SS-related ancestry cancel each other out.
            So in a sense Harvard browncels are using SS as a tool against Europeans with their fake models which can't be replicated.
            In a true-to-reality model where there is virtually zero Armenia_N in Yamnaya I do not believe there would be much if any need for SS either.

            Sredny Stog became progressively more Yamnaya-like over time but there was no such inverse increase east of Donbass where genotypes remained more stable through time
            It's not just unlikely but actually impossible Sredny Stog did anything except get raped to death or in the best scenario get dilluted into a 2% component

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >yamnaya didn't use metals
            >post description of a grave with multiple metal objects

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            weapons you idiot.

            Doesn't seem that important. Southern Russian steppe was full of these guys.

            Cope

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tell me, where is the Sredny Stog

            Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
            Distance: 3.2977% / 0.03297661
            60.8 Russia_Steppe_Eneolithic
            29.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
            9.0 Ukraine_VertebaCave_MLTrypillia
            0.8 Russia_EN_Srednestogovskaya:NEO171

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            oldest yamnaya individual ever found is from western Ukraine. In the srendy stog context, there was a 4,200 year old guy with normal yamnaya type DNA.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, there was migration from the Steppe to Ukraine during this period. Yamnaya just means a specific EHG/CHG ratio and low WHG both of which differentiate it from anything natively found in Ukraine.
            Steppe people were conquering southwestern Ukraine and Balkans by 4500 BC so the Kurgan conqueror found near Sredny Stog is nothing special. MAJ009 is much older and extremely Yamnaya-like see

            https://i.imgur.com/0VdXclz.jpeg

            Dunno, these samples are labeled Usatovo and some are pretty early.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tell me, where is the Sredny Stog

            Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
            Distance: 3.2977% / 0.03297661
            60.8 Russia_Steppe_Eneolithic
            29.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
            9.0 Ukraine_VertebaCave_MLTrypillia
            0.8 Russia_EN_Srednestogovskaya:NEO171

            Yamnaya is from Ukraine. All yamnaya have Ukraine N dna. The oldest yamnaya are always found in Ukraine. In fact, we found that yamnaya in Russia (among them) were individuals from the local steppe "progress" groups. local Russian steppe groups were conquered and assimilated by yamnaya from Ukraine, which also makes it clear why even Afanasievo carries N Ukraine.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Yamnaya is from Ukraine
            Not possible. The border area of Russia and Ukraine is as close as it gets.
            >All yamnaya have Ukraine N dna
            Virtually none. The Harvard paper which modeled them with such used Armenia N as the source of their European Neolithic ancestry which caused a cascade effect making up for the WHG in European Neolithic admixture with Ukraine_N.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Not possible
            The oldest yamnya are Ukrainian, from 4200 to 3800 BC.
            The Yammaya culture appears together with a genetic group of wise members that first manifests itself in Ukraine. Then we see these Ukrainian mixed individuals appear about 1000 years later in Russia, along with local inhabitants, who do not have this DNA.
            >Virtually none
            All yamnaya have ukraine N Dna arround 20%, corded ware tends to share ydna for the matter.
            How can a group that by necessity carries dna only present in ukraine be from russia? Some sort of magic?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The oldest yamnya are Ukrainian, from 4200 to 3800 BC.
            Which proves the genotype originated elsewhere, outside Ukraine since they represent a totally new population in the area.
            >Then we see these Ukrainian mixed individuals appear about 1000 years later in Russia
            Not really, one of the Khvalynsk outliers had an EHG/CHG ratio similar to Yamnaya. The Yamnaya genotype is not independent of the cline in which it originated in and while it's not known for certain when this cline originated we know it's from between the Volga Delta and the Don.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >All yamnaya have ukraine N Dna arround 20%
            If the model is performed correctly and not poisoned with Armenian PIE bullshit they have about...0%.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you come from some alternate reality where someone has "performed the model correctly", whatever that means? If so could you share the study? I love extradimensional exchanges.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            because Yamnaya spread all non-Amatolian Proto-Indo-European-Anatolian languages... Yamnaya and Anatolians descend from CLV, so I think CLV is urheimat. The Urheimat ancestor is CLV which divides into Anatolian and PIE (Yamnaya).
            CLV is PIE, not yamnaya.
            the same yamnaya, who ironically had the same case as the CWC; The Yamna and CT cultures coexisted and traded with each other for centuries before the collapse of the CT culture and due to deforestation and crop failures related to climate change.

            Because steppe pastoralists were not entirely dependent on agriculture, they survived famine and expanded
            - if.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            CLV is a made up "cline" running from Progress-like to Armenian Neolithic-like. PIE as we understand it is more like 2/3 Progress, 1/3 Khvalynsk/EHG and for the most part independent of CLV. However admittedly it is possible that the ancestors of Anatolians were simply Progress-like without that additional EHG but it's all very speculative and no one has any definitive proof one way or the other.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Progress
            still 50% EHG.
            he may have participated in the creation of PIE.
            but this does not change the fact that he is still a direct descendant of the ANE male.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They were the real PIE

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Proof?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            in that same paper he found horse rider elites with q1b and one suvorove elite with I2;
            basically this s his last cope before surrendering to ANEgods

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The CLV gave rise to Yamnaya (PIE) and Anatolia.

            >The Yamnaya culture remains the unifying factor of all attested Indo-European languages. However, the homogeneity of the Yamnaya patrilineal community was formed from the mixing of diverse ancestors, through proximal ancestors from the Dnipro and CLV clines (Fig. 2e). Yamnaya and Anatolians share CLV Cline ancestry (Fig. 2e, f), and therefore if the earliest speakers of the IA language shared any genetic ancestry – the possibility of an early unmixed language transfer should not be ruled out – then the CLV Cline This is where this ancestry must have come from. On the Anatolian side, we see that the extreme southern Caucasus Neolithic ancestry of the Cline CLV was impactful during the Chalcolithic and Bronze Age45 and the Bronze Age in Central Anatolia during the period of Hittite presence also had traces of ancestry related to the Lower Volga implying an origin north of the Caucasus (Fig. 2f; Extended Data Fig. 1).

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's like saying
            >The Iberian-Moroccan cline gave rise to the Mexican Mestizos

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            still assumes that the Yamnaya people spoke PIE and that they later mixed with the CWC, but this has been completely refuted, we now know that the Yamnaya did not mix with the CWC and did not contribute to any modern Western European people. In contrast, the CWC was and proved to be the ancestor of not only all EBA PIE expansions in Europe, but also of the Sintasha culture, which is the origin of the Indo-Iranian peoples.
            "Migrations to the west (3) and south (4) ca. 4400-4000 BCE split PIA into the PIE languages and PA languages."
            >From a linguistic point of view, it is worth noting that the Sredni Stog culture, with its limited evidence for agriculture, potentially offers a better archaeological fit for the basal Indo-Anatolian linguistic community than the eastern Yamnaya culture, which does not show trace elements. of agriculture. This may support a scenario of linguistic continuity of non-mobile local pastoralists in the Lower Dnieper region and their genetic persistence after their integration into the successive and expansive Yamnaya horizon.

            Proof?

            https://i.imgur.com/QRzZ0oW.jpeg

            [...]
            Hahaha
            Hello Mordvix
            The ancestor of Urheimat is CLV which is divided into Anatolian and PIE (Yamnaya).
            because Yamnaya spread all non-Amatolian Proto-Indo-European-Anatolian languages, CWC didn't. Yamnaya and Anatolians both descended from CLV so I
            guess CLV is urheimat is the pie

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            genetically, early CWC(PNL001 rich) did not differ at all from Samara Yamnaya in their genetic components.
            they have a common root.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Yamnaya admixture is maternal, as the CWC has entirely new clades of R1a and R1b that are unrelated to the Yamnaya clades.

            Not "yamnaya" specifically, but steppe DNA. The real people found in the Yamnaya cemeteries didn't do much.

            >CWC
            The “Yamnaya” were not the ancestors of the “Corded Ware”
            The people of the Yamnaya horizon were patrilineal and exogamous. If Corded Ware men took Neolithic wives, they almost certainly took Yamnaya wives. The western and eastern Yamnaya may have had different paternal lineages, and even been different ethnolinguistically, but still shared similar gods and folkways so that intermarriage occurred. Their autosomal genome was very similar because exchanging wives across these patrilineal kindreds was common and prevent whole-genome distinctiveness from building up.
            early Corded Ware tended to be R1a. How to resolve this issue?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the early CWC was R1b M269(PNL001), the Yamnaya was also M269.
            R1a was discovered in SS but then explodes numerically in eastern CWCs during the MLBA era.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            but the CVL was R1b, not J2.
            I remind you that there was no Ydna R1 either in CHG or further south.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes, the preprint quite literally concludes the migration was from eastern europe into anatolia, lazaridis essentialy surrendered after the pulse of suvorove/usatove related ancestry was confirmed into anatolia BA

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ok, I guess it doesn't matter who the was PIE.
            since both SS and progress eneolithic carried EHG/ANE Ydna, which means they were based.
            in the end my Gedmatch says that I have ≈20% Dargin rich "admuxture".

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I would say that both progress and SS are part of the overall PIE horizon.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            but the CVL was R1b, not J2.
            I remind you that there was no Ydna R1 either in CHG or further south.

            CVL were the PIE

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            CVL was R1b, cope.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No.
            See here

            We finally have a Sredny Stog elite/Novodanilovka sample.
            VIN1 was buried in a kurgan, his legs and arms were bent with knees up, he was heavily covered with ochre, buried with a dagger, and had a trepanation hole in his skull. All those customs are very typical of Steppe Eneolithic groups and were not practiced by the preceding Ukr_N foragers.

            Another interesting thing about the VIN1 specimen is his uniparentals. He is I2-L699 and H13, which might hint at "continuity" with Ukr_N. However, we now know that the oldest Steppe Eneolithic Berezhnovka sample also had the same uniparentals, hinting that at least some of L699 in the region might have been "reintroduced" from further Southeast, either Lower Don or even further East. Berezhnovka itself is an intrusive culture in the Volga that has origins west of that region.

            The Q1 Suvorovo samples are also very interesting. The Q1b Csongrad individual was Khvalynsk-like and also a horse rider. So far, the earliest Indo-European elites have proven to be Q and I2-L699. These lineages could possibly be the original spreaders of the Indo-European tongue, with the now more widespread R1 IE lineages being a marker assimilated by the Indo-Europeans from the preceding Ukrainian foragers with non-IE burial traditions.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's still not J2.
            In addition, in Ukrainian N there were literally all R1 lines.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            CVL was R1b, I2 and Q

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            in progress 2 there was only 1 R1b sample.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What we see in ancient DNA is the complete opposite though. Sredny Stog went from Ukraine_Meso rich to Kurgan-like over time.
            All of the ingredients required to make Yamnaya except the Trypillian admix are already found on the steppe and Sredny Stog is left with nothing to offer.
            The Trypillian admix I suspect is connected to Usatovo specifically which was the product of steppe conquest very early on 4500 BC even. Usatovo likely sent back to the homeland(Don steppe) some Trypillians or Trypillian-admixed individuals. At least I can't think of a better solution to the problem.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Those dudes were the Kurgan conquerors of SS

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.
            SS>Yamnaya

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you insist on believing PIE were some 2/3 EHG 1/3 WHG dudes go ahead man it's not like it matters but the fact remains that the best models for Yamnaya don't need Ukrainian Sredny Stog. The Don group which is also termed Sredny Stog is another matter entirely but a clear biological outlier which doesn't have the WHG levels of Ukrainian SS being more strictly EHG with minor CHG traces etc.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >In addition, the Eneolithic individual from the lower Dnipro Valley region (Deriivka II cemetery) archeologically classified as Serednyostogivs'ka (Sredny Stog) horse keepers (ukr104, c. 5650-5477cal BP) showed smaller level of allele sharing with other individuals from the same region (Fig. 3f). This indicates gene flow from a population that is genetically differentiated from the preceding local population. This individual (ukr104) was genetically more similar to the Bronze Age Yamnaya individuals from Samara, the CHG, and the Neolithic Iranian than the other Dnipro Valley samples (Fig. 2a, b).

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn't seem that important. Southern Russian steppe was full of these guys.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What we see in ancient DNA is the complete opposite though. Sredny Stog went from Ukraine_Meso rich to Kurgan-like over time.
            All of the ingredients required to make Yamnaya except the Trypillian admix are already found on the steppe and Sredny Stog is left with nothing to offer.
            The Trypillian admix I suspect is connected to Usatovo specifically which was the product of steppe conquest very early on 4500 BC even. Usatovo likely sent back to the homeland(Don steppe) some Trypillians or Trypillian-admixed individuals. At least I can't think of a better solution to the problem.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Usatovo is from 3700 BC. Suvorovo-Novodanilovka is from 4200 BC or so. Then there's 500 years of cultural gap.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dunno, these samples are labeled Usatovo and some are pretty early.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nice fanfic

            >There's little evidence for horse riding in Sredni Stog
            in truth no.
            do you realize that there is more evidence of SS chivalry than the yamnaya or even the corded ware? as mentioned here[...]

            All these archaeological continuity are not coincidences.
            Do you know what the greatest evidence of yamnaya gentleman is?
            The closest thing to yamnaya horses ever found is a yamnaya with crushed balls.
            Their burials are poor and primitive, their pottery is inverted, etc.
            basically, you are looking for a type of evidence that is actually not possible to find, especially in the region and at the time. There is more evidence for SS chivalry than any other group

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You agreed with me
            Thank you

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/Hl6L3ge.jpeg

            [...]
            Btw the idea that SS contributed to PIE in a significant way is a brownmaxxer fantasy. They brute forced a model in which post-CHG South Caucasian ancestry and HG-shifted SS-related ancestry cancel each other out.
            So in a sense Harvard browncels are using SS as a tool against Europeans with their fake models which can't be replicated.
            In a true-to-reality model where there is virtually zero Armenia_N in Yamnaya I do not believe there would be much if any need for SS either.

            Hahaha
            Hello Mordvix
            The ancestor of Urheimat is CLV which is divided into Anatolian and PIE (Yamnaya).
            because Yamnaya spread all non-Amatolian Proto-Indo-European-Anatolian languages, CWC didn't. Yamnaya and Anatolians both descended from CLV so I
            guess CLV is urheimat is the pie

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >PIE is an Upper Paleolithic language
      You Black folk genuinely don't know what you're talking about.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        hahah
        I never said that, read it again. I simply said that they were *ancrestrals of the yamnaya*, not direct ancestors a few thousand years old, but their ancestors.
        Remembering when we said that the Yamnaya had EHG people as their ancestors? Well, we do that today, but now we have specific names. did you understand?

        https://i.imgur.com/dQEcl7L.jpeg

        Based
        [...]
        Yamnaya wasn't the PIE

        Explain how

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I never said that
          >Indo-European is an ANE language

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Trvke.

      Lazaridis is a brown chauvinist extremely butthurt about Indo-European being a Euro HG language with ANE and WHG elements. He hates the northern aspect of it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ANE
        That's not a linguistic classification. That's a genetic classification, haploBlack person.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wortless moron, ANE weren't apes without a tongue. You will always be a farmonkey ANFcel btw. Always.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ANE weren't apes without a tongue
            Yes, but you don't know absolutely anything about the language they spoke. Language shifts have happened all throughout recorded history (in Britain, India, China, Mexico, etc.), so what makes you think that you could even guess anything about a language spoken that long ago? You have literally NOTHING, not a single tablet or papyrus containing words of PIE or ANE.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are PIE cognates in proto-Uralic which basically confirms a Northern Origin for PIE.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are also words of Indo-European origin in Indonesian (karakteristik) , Nahuatl (xapatoh), and Igbo (sukulu), but that shouldn't be taken as a sign of evidence that Proto-Indo-European was spoken anywhere near Indonesia, Mexico, or Nigeria.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Brainrot

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Indo-European is an ANE language distantly related to Lakota
      source?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      t. has never been to the middle east or southern europe

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because his mycenean study buckbroke several LARP communities and they never recovered from that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based

      did the yamnaya come from the ground? Just answer me yes or no?
      You realize that the PIE weren't magical people created out of nowhere, right? the same with the SS

      Yamnaya wasn't the PIE

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >myceneans having 30% less steppe than modern greeks
      >lazardASS claims greeks have “mythical origins”

      It’s specifically this study that made him look like a fool and troll

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dude? They were only 15% steppe lol
        Greeks= ANF with IE languages and culture

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's coping

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because he, being a friend of Anthony and IE scholars included, refuted the Norse theories about the ancient Greeks, just for that reason
    IQfy prefers chad pastoralists and STC (survive the cope) mere Internet celebrities than serious scholars.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      was there any conflict between him and STJ that i'm unaware of ?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He got butthurt and retweeted STJ post saying "migrants swamped the Roman Empire" and said it was unhelpful. This was probably about something else though.

        Because it was shortly after STJ had run a poll asking people whether they thought Sredny Stog or Southern Arc was more plausible as PIE and SS won. At the same time Lazaridis had been working on the paper which debunked his own Southern Arc ideas of an Armenian PIA homeland.

        Lazaridis is the first name on the new paper which eviscerates his own theory and vindicates STJ. No wonder he was butthurt. STJ has been pushing Sredny Stog as the PIE for years all the while Harvard has refused to mention them, but now STJ is clearly right.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He is a Pontic Greek (Turk) and has a personal conflict of interest for Out of Anatolia theory

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pontic greeks don't have turkish ancestry though

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, they have some kind of Kartvelian and Caucasian admixture.
        even less IE than the Balkan (Slavic) Greeks.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          still greek

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It is amazing how large-scale the Slavic replacement of the Balkan population was in the Avar era.
            the Goths were not so successful in Iberia, although they also left their mark.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >this map
            lmfao
            are you a roach?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No.
            >are you a Slav?
            Yes.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            makes sense

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Out of Anatolia theory
      i don't understand why there is such contention over whether the language started in anatolia or the steppe. It's not like the debate is whether it came from siberia or sub saharan africa.. it's like less than 1000 miles between one and another.. can't we just be bros? are we expecting to find a single solitary point where the language was born, like a meteor crashed and gave us the language??? doubtful. Feels just like people need to pick a horse so they feel invested and like their team can win.. feels like a bunch of self-promotional and unnecessary hair splitting

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you being reasonable and not inflammatory

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not even that. It was Armenia or Russia. Basically in the Southern Arc paper they didn't find much evidence for steppe ancestry in Anatolia and they proposed Armenian homeland of proto-Indo-Europeans. Lazaridis was the leading co-author of that article.
        This made schizos claim he's some kind of anti-white racist or CHG supremacist. Complete nonsense.

        By the way, there's a pre-print of a new big article about proto-IE where he's the leading author. From the abstract:

        >We thus propose that the final unity of the speakers of the “Proto-Indo-Anatolian” ancestral language of both Anatolian and Indo-European languages can be traced to CLV cline people sometime between 4400-4000 BCE.

        CLV = Caucasus Lower Volga

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He is Dienekes. Ethnocentric Greek blogger always saying everything is Med. His secret identity in not known by his Harvard colleagues but many are on to him

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >always saying everything is Med
      How is that wrong, exactly?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lazaridis is a gifted scientist and chuds here can only cope, being the miserable irrelevant whiners they are.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he's an anatolian with an agenda
    also he's no more knowledgeable than any other archeogeneticist in the field

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Schizo thread.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >denies the Slavic origin of I2a1b-Din and R1a because Mainland Greeks are loaded in both
    >uses Finno-Baltid minorities and Iron Age non-Slavs to determine Slavic autosomes in the 2021 study
    >pulls repeated mental gymnastic models to reduce Slavic admixture in Balkanites and Greeks and increase every other admixture
    >uses the example of strange chromosome mutation in the I2a1b-Din Kuline twins to determine that Slavic admixture in the Balkans is female-biased (the opposite being true)

    He's butthurt at the fact that DNA supports Fallmerayerism.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >pic
      He's right. The subclades aren't specified. I2a and R1a themselves are not Slavic. Some subclades of these expanded with Slavs, but that's it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're being extremely disingenuous, when one says I2a and R1a in this context, they automatically mean M458 and Z280 (99% of Greek R1a), and I2a1b-Din (nearly 98% of mainland Greek I2a), which are irrefutably Slavic, he knows this very well, and yet he denies it.

        https://i.imgur.com/RaXuaKb.jpeg

        >He's butthurt at the fact that DNA supports Fallmerayerism
        No

        Greeks score 21-44% in Slavic Y-DNA alone and between 30-42% in aDNA, do you deny these facts?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          15% steppe
          And r1a slav. Not native

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He's butthurt at the fact that DNA supports Fallmerayerism
      No

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Fallmerayer
      dna studies btfo him

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here are your epic knights.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      By the way, those bones with holes in them is all the evidence for Sredni Stog being riders.

      >Perforated bone or antler artifacts like (h) were identified as cheekpieces for horse bits, but this identification is speculative.
      >speculative
      No shit, lol. It's literally a bone with a hole in it, kek.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moronic? and show me a single piece of evidence that yamnaya was a gentleman?
        oh yes. you can't, as I said before; we have more evidence for SS than yamnaya

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he is a literal turkish greek armenian gypsy; works in a israeli majority leftist university (see how they surpress the anti isreal protests; hardvard has a israeli overrepresentation of 1300%) and has presented a lot of biased and incomplete research to support his fantasies

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and has presented a lot of biased and incomplete research to support his fantasies
      How?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he does not know.
        they are still angry that the Greeks never had more than 15% steppe and that the modern Greeks are literally exact copies of the ancients.
        every theory of theirs was killed....
        >the elite was high in steppe!
        we found tombs of elites with no IE%
        >Modern Greeks are mongrels
        in fact the modern Greeks are more IE and more "Aryan" than the ancients... anyway, they lost, again

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >in fact the modern Greeks are more IE and more "Aryan" than the ancients... anyway, they lost, again
          Ukrainian admixture.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no one cares about muttgayreeks

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cope baby

            >in fact the modern Greeks are more IE and more "Aryan" than the ancients... anyway, they lost, again
            Ukrainian admixture.

            Yes?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            due to Slavic admixture, modern Greeks may have up to 35% WSH.
            This is true.
            they are now much whiter than ever.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          lazaridis is a moronic homosexual and his studies consist of tiptoeing around the argument without ever saying anything concrete, you gotta interpret them
          no one cares about the whiteness of ancient greeks
          he's a burden on archeogenetic research

          https://i.imgur.com/MWRV1NL.jpeg

          It is amazing how large-scale the Slavic replacement of the Balkan population was in the Avar era.
          the Goths were not so successful in Iberia, although they also left their mark.

          reflected in the ydna

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >reflected in the ydna
            Yes.

            makes sense

            The Greeks look very arrogantly at the Slavs, despite the fact that they turned out to be quite related, especially to the Bulgarians and Macedonians.
            it's a little annoying.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Two neighboring nations share a bit ot blood due to inevitable back and forth of borders, wars and population movements
            >They are the same! We are brothers!
            Of all the people (south) Slavs would have an inferiority complex, I didn't imagine it would be Greeks. You Balkan lot are truly the worst specimens (south Slavs of Slavs in general, Greeks of Med europeans)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            still less pathetic than the Turks (Mongol larpers).

            https://i.imgur.com/a0Ys1vH.jpeg

            >The Greeks look very arrogantly at the Slavs
            It's not just Greeks

            germs are simply very afraid of Russia, so they constantly lash out at all the Slavs.
            I'm not interested, they're just whining.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The Greeks look very arrogantly at the Slavs
            It's not just Greeks

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            these are multiple actual studies

            https://i.imgur.com/tkARYW0.png

            lazaridis is a moronic homosexual and his studies consist of tiptoeing around the argument without ever saying anything concrete, you gotta interpret them
            no one cares about the whiteness of ancient greeks
            he's a burden on archeogenetic research

            [...]
            reflected in the ydna

            from all around greece
            greeks average at 30%+ I2+r1a

            >lazaridis is a moronic homosexual
            Why use insults? You are not better than anyone else in this deeply ingrained way. calm down my love.
            >and his studies consist of tiptoeing around the argument without ever saying anything concrete
            Have you ever read how scientific methodology works? It is practically presumptuous and arrogant to make abstracts confirming something categorically, because any idiot knows that everything can change quickly with new discoveries. he is just acting according to the precepts of science, especially when there are few samples. but even so, he still made many "conclusions", read his study on the Greeks and IE, changed the genetic landscape.
            >you gotta interpret them
            How can someone interpret for themselves that the ancient Greeks were similar to the modern ones and did not suffer significant genetic overlap? moronic.
            >no one cares about the whiteness of ancient Greeks
            That's not what this forum thinks.
            >he's a burden on archeogenetic research
            and his studies are used in academia, even in IQfy in fact.
            [...]
            I m he, you fool.

            >Have you ever read how scientific methodology works? It is practically presumptuous and arrogant to make abstracts confirming something categorically, because any idiot knows that everything can change quickly with new discoveries. he is just acting according to the precepts of science, especially when there are few samples. but even so, he still made many "conclusions", read his study on the Greeks and IE, changed the genetic landscape.
            just like lazaridis, a lot of words to say absolutely nothing
            >How can someone interpret for themselves that the ancient Greeks were similar to the modern ones and did not suffer significant genetic overlap? moronic.
            ancient greeks are not similar to the modern ones as all studies show, not even lazaridis could deny it, so moot point if you're trying to claim that
            and no one is talking about greeks, lazaridis said a lot of bullshit about many subjects, you want to reduce the argument to your beef with people that claim greeks were white since you have no arguments
            >That's not what this forum thinks.
            i'm not "this forum"
            >and his studies are used in academia, even in IQfy in fact.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >these are multiple actual studies

            https://i.imgur.com/tkARYW0.png

            lazaridis is a moronic homosexual and his studies consist of tiptoeing around the argument without ever saying anything concrete, you gotta interpret them
            no one cares about the whiteness of ancient greeks
            he's a burden on archeogenetic research

            [...]
            reflected in the ydna # from all around greece
            greeks average at 30%+ I2+r1a
            Yes thank you.
            I saved the picture.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >just like lazaridis, a lot of words to say absolutely nothing
            Lol
            Just like an elementary school idiot, you didn't take anything I said literally.
            for the imbecile to understand;
            he is just following the scientific method.
            >ancient greeks are not similar to the modern ones as all studies show
            studies literally show this. apart from the Slavic contribution, the ancient Greeks are like the modern ones.
            If you don't accept it, it's your problem.
            >and no one is talking about greeks
            read above moronic
            >greeks, lazaridis said a lot of bullshit about many subjects
            Examples?
            >you want to reduce the argument to your beef with people that claim greeks were white since you have no arguments
            ????
            >i'm not "this forum"
            of course not. but it's just as moronic

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he is just following the scientific method.
            no, heìs following the cope method, nothing to do with the scientific method
            >studies literally show this. apart from the Slavic contribution, the ancient Greeks are like the modern ones.
            no, they don't, and you didn't prove that they do
            >????
            you literally posted a picture about the ancient greeks not being white, argument that i haven't even touched since i don't care about ancient greeks
            >of course not. but it's just as moronic
            no one gives a shit homosexual, you're talking to me
            >Examples?
            slavs, steppe, balkaners and many others

            you have no arguments against me, you want to reduce the argument to your beef with people that claim greeks were white, that's why you posted that pic

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This image includes all Greeks, islanders, and Cretans to reduce the Slavic Y-DNA when included, even though they form a one-digit percentage of the population, mainland Greeks are far more Slavic.

            these are multiple actual studies [...] from all around greece
            greeks average at 30%+ I2+r1a

            [...]
            >Have you ever read how scientific methodology works? It is practically presumptuous and arrogant to make abstracts confirming something categorically, because any idiot knows that everything can change quickly with new discoveries. he is just acting according to the precepts of science, especially when there are few samples. but even so, he still made many "conclusions", read his study on the Greeks and IE, changed the genetic landscape.
            just like lazaridis, a lot of words to say absolutely nothing
            >How can someone interpret for themselves that the ancient Greeks were similar to the modern ones and did not suffer significant genetic overlap? moronic.
            ancient greeks are not similar to the modern ones as all studies show, not even lazaridis could deny it, so moot point if you're trying to claim that
            and no one is talking about greeks, lazaridis said a lot of bullshit about many subjects, you want to reduce the argument to your beef with people that claim greeks were white since you have no arguments
            >That's not what this forum thinks.
            i'm not "this forum"
            >and his studies are used in academia, even in IQfy in fact.

            https://i.imgur.com/tkARYW0.png

            lazaridis is a moronic homosexual and his studies consist of tiptoeing around the argument without ever saying anything concrete, you gotta interpret them
            no one cares about the whiteness of ancient greeks
            he's a burden on archeogenetic research

            [...]
            reflected in the ydna

            Use more concrete images, like this one, mainland Greeks, depending on the region, will get 21-44% Slavic Y-DNA.

            https://i.imgur.com/a0Ys1vH.jpeg

            >The Greeks look very arrogantly at the Slavs
            It's not just Greeks

            >Two neighboring nations share a bit ot blood due to inevitable back and forth of borders, wars and population movements
            >They are the same! We are brothers!
            Of all the people (south) Slavs would have an inferiority complex, I didn't imagine it would be Greeks. You Balkan lot are truly the worst specimens (south Slavs of Slavs in general, Greeks of Med europeans)

            South Slavs are the only people with a great history on that peninsula.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >South Slavs are the only people with a great history on that peninsula.
            lol

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >South slaves
            >Great history
            Just lel. Also, ydna is only a small part of one's dna. Greeks aren't slaves no matter how much you wish otherwise.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the ancestors of South Slavs conquered the entire European part of the Roman Empire and had their Medieval Empires and cultural/literary block equal to Greek and Latin while Western Europeans were subsidiaries of Latin Rome. We both know who the slave is, and it's not conquering barbarians.

            I'm Norwegian, by the way, so don't think running any GDP arguments on me, you scabby Anglophone.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Medieval empires
            >Two provinces of Rome
            >Literary block equal to Latin and Greek
            Fire away Magnus Carlson

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >First and Second Bulgarian Empire
            >Serbian Empire
            >Provinces of Rome
            If by provinces you mean "conquered Roman territories" to replace the Romans", then yes, which was the ultimate goal of both Slavic empires. I understand your morbid cynicism at the fact that English was never a literary language of Medieval civilization blocks and that you cannot fathom that someone at the very border with Rome didn't just succeed at resisting them, but rivaling them, so you lash out with the subconscious mindset of someone whose destiny was never in their own hands. Normans from Norway learned French and collared your entire race and plunged you into civilization, so you cope and call your betters slaves.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I, unlike you, haven't been as transparent with my race so far, mr Magnus Carlson.
            Or should I say Alexandreski of Macedoniski. Pro tip: no sane Norwegian holds (south) slavs of all groups in high regard. If you had travelled you would know that. I suppose you didn't take the recent genocide acknowledgement too well. You would have been a tiny bit more believable if you said Austrian or Bavarian btw.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All I'm hearing is the wailing of a beaten eunuch. Pro tip: don't say pro tip, this isn't Reddit, and by the way, by hiding your race you admit to being part of an inferior race, lol. Even if I'm wrong (which I'm not), you still remain racially inferior, whereas I'm superior.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're literally "North Macedonian", sit down.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even if one were to buy your larp of being Norwegian. You picked the least influential and literal who of Scandinavians whose only claim to fame is finding oil like arabs in the desert.
            We are still waiting on some landmark literary works from south slavs from that period btw.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're waiting on them because you're functionally illiterate, lol, we have Zakon Sudnyi Liudem, Didactic Gospels, Life of Saint Sava, Life of Despot Stephen Lazarevic, Codex Marianus, and the Legend of Vladimir and Kosara. Imagine this situation where some random son of a woodcutter from Norway is more learned than you, mister Whoosely the Woosely.

            You're literally "North Macedonian", sit down.

            >North Macedonian
            Kek, am I arguing with some "Greek" with a triple unibrow living in council housing in the UK? If so, why are you brown? This is a White man's thread and site.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Landmark
            It's 2am Radu. Go to sleep.
            Only codex marianus and didactic gospels could be considered landmark (for slav standards) and maybe the legend of Vladimir and Kosara if I were to give you some charity

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Only
            >hears these names for the first time in his life
            >writes the worst possible take in human history while pretending to be some kind of "learned authority"

            TOP Kek, you brainless Black person, if anything, "The Life of Despot Stephen Lazarevic" is what constitutes "landmark literature" since it doesn't contain just one, but three acrostic masterpiece instances, and is a work of literary art.

            I am only opining that it's overblown.
            I didn't say it didn't exist at all. For what it's worth, they also assimilated groups of them, especially in Peloponnese.

            Data confirms it's a large admixture, and it took Rome (read: actual Rome in Asia Minor and Constantinople, not the Italian shithole) 200 years to start retaking Greece from the Slavs (after numerous failed campaigns)

            why didn't you answer my question

            Y-DNA is one's direct proof of paternal origin, genetically and identity-wise, one inherits his/her identity from the father, not the mother, so yes, infinitely more important than aDNA and mtDNA. The Black person fathered by some I1 Thorkel is more Norwegian than a Norwegian fathered by N1c1 intruders speaking Norwegian.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I-1 HG

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >A mixed Norwegian is actually pure Norwegian
            Your mind on serb intellectuality.
            Man, you guys have become the pajeet of Europe. Unabashed arrogance and complete lack of self awareness.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The Black person fathered by some I1 Thorkel is more Norwegian than a Norwegian fathered by N1c1 intruders speaking Norwegian.

            lmao that shit is crazy bro you are truly the gold medal 10xworld champion mental gymnast the sport is over and no one can ever compete with you

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's right tho. AR1anjeets are not native to Europe and will never be, unlike NordI1c people. N1 people and R1 people are both Asiatic immigrants.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I1 isnt from Western Europe its from Russian WHGs and pre-I1 exists on a geographic cline where the oldest ones are in Russia and the youngest ones are in Western Europe.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The I1 haplogroup is rare as frick in Russia. What kind of cheap-ass drug-laced vodka are you drinking?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            South Slavs are I2 and R1a.
            Norwegians are I1 and R1a.
            are obviously much more related races than J2 and E1b, which are simply brown Semitic-Natufian monkeys.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I dunno who you are trying to fool there mate. Norwegians see Balkanoids same tier or worse than Turks, and same tier as Nafris and Syrians and Pakis

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            obviously, none of the Europeans perceive any of the Slavs as MENA, at least because the Slavs are Christians.
            you are still browner than the Serbs.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you aware that there are quite a few Muslim slavs? Are you aware that Turks have absorbed quite a bit of Slavic blood (more than Greeks in fact)? Your statements just keep making it worse.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no one considers the Bosniaks to be full-fledged Slavs, since frankly speaking, they are traitors who decided to grovel before the Turks. and yes, of course the Greeks are much more Slavic than the Turks.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >South Slavs not so Slavic when it's inconvenient
            Top kek. A true blue Serb right here.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm a Western Slav, if that's the case.
            Even here, people who converted to Islam are considered traitors, and this is normal, given the current rampant of shitskins.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            At least you stopped "pretending" you aren't a Slav. Obstinate, but improving.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not that Norwegian guy.
            I'm a polak.
            and who are you?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            An Italian

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It is strange that you deny the noticeable genetic influence of the Slavs on modern Greeks. It’s not that this is some kind of controversial topic, in my opinion everything is obvious.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am only opining that it's overblown.
            I didn't say it didn't exist at all. For what it's worth, they also assimilated groups of them, especially in Peloponnese.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            By and large all mainland Greeks have Slavic admixture, but island regions may still retain a fairly ancient genetic profile.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            is it possible to infer race from only ydna haplogroup? doesn't seem like it is.. seems like a statistical possibility but not a guarantee.. If i'm I1 and i have sex with a bantu wouldn't my children be I1?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            we are talking about people living in Europe.
            your comparison is inappropriate.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why didn't you answer my question

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He is dodging. No one thinks in terms of "haplogroups and parernal lines" just general concept of race

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >He is dodging. No one thinks in terms of "haplogroups and parernal lines" just general concept of race

            there should be an online photo database people can refer to which has people and their haplogroup, just to show how ethnically diverse people from a given haplogroup can be.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He is dodging. No one thinks in terms of "haplogroups and parernal lines" just general concept of race

            Haplogroups are certainly a very important part of racial identity.
            I don’t even consider the Balts very close to the Slavs because they have more N1 than R1a.
            rather, their closest relatives are the Finns.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And you needed haplogroups to come to that conclusion?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. who your father really was is more important to me than what language he spoke.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most European nations didn't have the issue you are implying tbf

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            this issue has always been important, otherwise we would not have killed all the EEF males.
            sorry.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            moron.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            moron

            >literally in the same second

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            J2 is a cousin of I1 and I2. It is more closely related to them than R1b (Cameroonese) and R1a (Indian) are.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >lazaridis is a moronic homosexual
            Why use insults? You are not better than anyone else in this deeply ingrained way. calm down my love.
            >and his studies consist of tiptoeing around the argument without ever saying anything concrete
            Have you ever read how scientific methodology works? It is practically presumptuous and arrogant to make abstracts confirming something categorically, because any idiot knows that everything can change quickly with new discoveries. he is just acting according to the precepts of science, especially when there are few samples. but even so, he still made many "conclusions", read his study on the Greeks and IE, changed the genetic landscape.
            >you gotta interpret them
            How can someone interpret for themselves that the ancient Greeks were similar to the modern ones and did not suffer significant genetic overlap? moronic.
            >no one cares about the whiteness of ancient Greeks
            That's not what this forum thinks.
            >he's a burden on archeogenetic research
            and his studies are used in academia, even in IQfy in fact.

            stop replying to yourself
            no one cares about greeks

            I m he, you fool.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I m NOT* He
            this guy is probably a troll.
            I'm not even Greek

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lazaridis won, again

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            stop replying to yourself
            no one cares about greeks

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We finally have a Sredny Stog elite/Novodanilovka sample.
    VIN1 was buried in a kurgan, his legs and arms were bent with knees up, he was heavily covered with ochre, buried with a dagger, and had a trepanation hole in his skull. All those customs are very typical of Steppe Eneolithic groups and were not practiced by the preceding Ukr_N foragers.

    Another interesting thing about the VIN1 specimen is his uniparentals. He is I2-L699 and H13, which might hint at "continuity" with Ukr_N. However, we now know that the oldest Steppe Eneolithic Berezhnovka sample also had the same uniparentals, hinting that at least some of L699 in the region might have been "reintroduced" from further Southeast, either Lower Don or even further East. Berezhnovka itself is an intrusive culture in the Volga that has origins west of that region.

    The Q1 Suvorovo samples are also very interesting. The Q1b Csongrad individual was Khvalynsk-like and also a horse rider. So far, the earliest Indo-European elites have proven to be Q and I2-L699. These lineages could possibly be the original spreaders of the Indo-European tongue, with the now more widespread R1 IE lineages being a marker assimilated by the Indo-Europeans from the preceding Ukrainian foragers with non-IE burial traditions.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >with the now more widespread R1 IE lineages being a marker assimilated by the Indo-Europeans from the preceding Ukrainian foragers with non-IE burial traditions.
      Why would they not be from the EHG between the Don and Samara who actually contributed to PIE?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      monkey, do you understand that literally half of the Ukrainian N men were R1?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, the were the PIE

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes, the were the PIE
          the problem is that Ukrainian N was predominantly WHG; in the Yamnaya era, an EHG/CHG mixture suddenly appeared in the steppe.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It wasn't predominantly WHG but still too WHG. It's pretty clear now that the PIE mix originates from ever so slightly southwest of Berezhnovka towards the Don because there's simply no other place it could have been hiding on the map.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We already said this here, moronic
            the simplicity of CHG-EHG=PIE was refuted and we can conclude that there was actually a kind of Caucasus-Lower Volga cline+Progress-EHG cline.
            i.e. the Sredni Stog was the PIE

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you so backwards with a lack of compassion for others?
    I'm here reading the fight and I don't understand anything.
    Who the frick is PIE? and what do CLV and SS have to do with yamnaya?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if you don’t know who PIE are, then there’s no point in talking to you, sorry.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tell me who were
        I came here now

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SS
      in fact the language is still up for debate, but given the fact that they are the ancestors of Yamnaya and Corded Ware, it makes sense that they would speak at least a dialect of PIE. tongues do not grow from the earth

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you so backwards with a lack of compassion for others?
        I'm here reading the fight and I don't understand anything.
        Who the frick is PIE? and what do CLV and SS have to do with yamnaya?

        this post belongs to the CLV, it is the oldest, yamnaya is a branch, you are using the logic of the people in practice in Anatolia...

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          J2 not IE

          We already said this here, moronic
          the simplicity of CHG-EHG=PIE was refuted and we can conclude that there was actually a kind of Caucasus-Lower Volga cline+Progress-EHG cline.
          i.e. the Sredni Stog was the PIE

          Personally, I think that SS was the original EHG rich PIE, then it migrated to the northern Caucasus, mixed with churkas, gave birth to Progress, and migrated back to the steppe creating the Yamnaya.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You still end up with too much WHG and SS is not older than Progress.
            CHG and EHG mixed on the steppe a very, very long time ago mainly around the Volga Delta area.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I think that SS was the original EHG rich PIE
            Exactly, PIE

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yamnaya created SOME branches of IE languages. Sredni Stog is ancestor of Yamnaya.
            The Yamnaya culture was actually SS culture

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol
            EHG+Central Asia + Progress = Khvalynsk
            Dnieper Donets + Progress = Sredni Stog
            Sredni Stog with high Progress = Yamnaya.
            Do you understand now?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >EHG+Central Asia + Progress = Khvalynsk
            No.
            there was almost no CHG in Khvalynsk.
            >Dnieper Donets + Progress = Sredni Stog
            no, SS was almost pure EHG.
            >Sredni Stog with high Progress = Yamnaya.
            It's right.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A-East

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I m not the guy
            But Ss still being the pie. Cope

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >EHG+Central Asia + Progress = Khvalynsk
            No.
            there was almost no CHG in Khvalynsk.
            >Dnieper Donets + Progress = Sredni Stog
            no, SS was almost pure EHG.
            >Sredni Stog with high Progress = Yamnaya.
            It's right.

            the study changed the ENTIRE IE structure
            Sredny Stog is older than Yamnaya, carried R1a and R1b, it is not certain that it is the ancestor of Yamnaya, but it is very likely that it is the direct ancestor of the ancient European CWC.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            literally all Steppe HG had R1a and R1b.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Huh?
            So the R haplogroup origin, came from the ANE

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            many iranjeets also had R(R2).

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            40% EHG + 30% CHG + 20% Central Asian irajeet(Sarazm).

            Aryan bros.. we lost
            Our answer?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            there is very little chance that R1b is iranjeet.
            we do not have any Mesolithic specimens south of the Caucasus range.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thats quite diatant from r1. Never found outside the iranic areas

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            there were quite a lot of clashes in Central Asia.
            but I highly doubt that R1 will be able to penetrate from Zagros.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Those were r2.
            Nothing to do with r1
            Let alone b
            Oldest Progress elites seem to be I2+r1b+Q

            Ehg daddies. I2 is pre eminent

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You’re Serb.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            SS was EHG.
            not like what the early CWC and Yamnaya were.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Those samples from Russia are peripheral to Sredny Stog they don't represent the main cluster

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            These are samples of Sredny Stog from the upper Don; to the south of them lived Ukrainian N.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who were the pie

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We do not know.
            but churka from progress eneolithic is the father of the Yamnaya. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fEjxtZ_b-z0

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            CHG?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            40% EHG + 30% CHG + 20% Central Asian irajeet(Sarazm).

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    opinion?

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tajikistani Brahui chimp

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ?

      there is very little chance that R1b is iranjeet.
      we do not have any Mesolithic specimens south of the Caucasus range.

      Ane

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's wrong
        The r1b are from the Iran_n

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          moron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            moron.

            grunt shitskin

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            moron.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what service should i use to get my genetic information i want to find out why i'm so lazy i think it's probably genetic

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    here's why

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OK? Eurogenes is so reliable that he insists that the Proto-Italians had high steppe.
      >sinstasha
      >balkans
      >we will see high steppe
      when? where are the samples?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        idk he's completely moronic

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >2017

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He once said that upper caste Indians look like Poles with a tan

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I dunno who is supposed to feel insulted, the poles or the Indians

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He also said Sumerians were Poles.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >later more samples come out
          >gryffin warrior 0 steppe
          >pylos palace sicilian-like
          no wonder they are completely assblasted

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >gryffin warrior 0 steppe
            what is this referring to
            t.ignoramus

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the myceanans were MENA not european lol

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the myceanans were MENA not european lol
            preferably a link to something substantial or more than one vague sentence response

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they cluster with modern syrians and levantines not europeans lll

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They had a distance of 0.9 with syrians and levantines
            Anything above 0.4 are different subspecies

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Trvtke.
            Medgroids are silly pajeets
            And mena are silly Black admixed mulatto jamal negrito d'aquarius shambiquas

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Griffin warrior was a slave killed by a blunt strike on the head placed near his master grave the trannies here talk about

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Griffin warrior
            >5'
            lmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >"""Warrior"""

            Reminder he was basically a slave squire and killed being hit by a wooden club in the head like a pig.
            He was tiny, weak and frail and buried like a animal next to his master burial urn

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >buried like a animal next to his master burial urn
            >So far we have no idea of the identity of this man," said Stocker—other than he was someone very important and very rich. His bones showed he had been of a robust stature—which, along with martial objects found in the grave, suggested he was a warrior—although he could also have been a priest, as many of the objects found with him had ritual significance.

            what ar eyou trying to obscure here?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >robust stature
            >5'
            Griffin squire sisters... we were buried kn massa grave like a goat

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you can be 5' and still robust.. but to be a 5' warrior is a little dubious. I guess if your just fighting other med farmer ancestry peoples

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He was a jester
            They killed him and buried him near his lord ashes.
            Ritualistically

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes a shaft tomb for a jester this makes good sense

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >buried like a animal next to his master burial urn
            >So far we have no idea of the identity of this man," said Stocker—other than he was someone very important and very rich. His bones showed he had been of a robust stature—which, along with martial objects found in the grave, suggested he was a warrior—although he could also have been a priest, as many of the objects found with him had ritual significance.

            what ar eyou trying to obscure here?

            What are the morons fighting about?
            he was a warrior and elite.
            On the floor of the tomb was the skeleton of a single adult man, surrounded by an enormous treasure trove of wealth, one of the most magnificent collections discovered in Greece in recent decades, you can look it up if you want, morons.
            more weapons were found near the man's legs and feet, and other precious items surrounded him
            see the tomb, you morons
            they included bronze jugs, a basin, many boar's teeth pierced from the warrior's helmet, and thin bronze bands, probably from his armor.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            griffins make the ((autists)) on this board seethe

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Coping gypsy. When they leaked the pictures with the burial urn and the midget jester skeleton buried below like they buried slaves, brides and animals witht heir owners the greek government amd lazaridis went full damage control to try and retcon hiatory in order to protect gayreek national identity

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            btfo

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Greektroony sisters....

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            dominique moceanu tier mental gymnastics

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lazaridis and her troony shills not gonna like this one trvthke

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh no no no no no
            Gypsyridis... how are we gonna cope about this?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's a lie.
            Fanfic
            The warrior buried in the tomb was certainly a prominent local leader – perhaps the most prominent of his generation. He ruled at the very beginning of the Mycenaean civilization, you idiot. stick your fanfic up your anus.
            >muh greek government
            It turns out that people outside the government studied him and came to the same conclusions.
            Heinrich Schliemann stated that they were in fact used for the burial of the Mycenaean elite. He would have lived on the acropolis of Englianos, close to the palace, and what we find is not about a "jester", but a warrior, as I showed above.
            and it comes from the time when the first mansions decorated with wall paintings were built with walls made of cut stone blocks in the so-called Minoan stonework style.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Words words words
            A literal gypsy byreid with some trinkets and a couple daggers.
            Zero evidence of any social status beyond being a jester.
            At very most you could pressume him to be a well off soldier/military leader.

            All the samples relased were relased selectively by thw greek goverment after careful curation and all archeologists allowed into the site were chosen by the greek government as well

            You lost iosif
            Time to trip back to mama turkey before the aryans come to get you

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >At very most you could pressume him to be a well off soldier/military leader.
            backpeddling slowly at first and then...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Iosif. You already lost.
            We know not only the grave is from a soldier but that the 5 feet jester buried below the soldier urn is a literal slave, no more than a pig or a sex bride

            Do you think we are not aware the greek government forbid investigations on the site until after they carefully curated the whole thing to hold gayreek nationalism and their fake state together?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            how does finding wealth in a grave salvage the modern greek state lmao what kind of strange logic

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you think we are not aware the greek government forbid investigations
            Sources

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Aryan world schizo mind

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So basically he was a slave buried next to hia owner?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh no no no no no
            Gypsyridis... how are we gonna cope about this?

            Lazaridis and her troony shills not gonna like this one trvthke

            Greektroony sisters....

            btfo

            Coping gypsy. When they leaked the pictures with the burial urn and the midget jester skeleton buried below like they buried slaves, brides and animals witht heir owners the greek government amd lazaridis went full damage control to try and retcon hiatory in order to protect gayreek national identity

            damage control brigade griffin warrior is over the target

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yep
            The sequence is something like this
            >Rcheologists find some ancient tombs with corpses and urns
            >they basically made of them top secret restricted areas so they can curate the content entirely
            >after this curation and selective relase process a ethnic turkish-armenian greek from a 20% israelitesih university in the kost leftist region on america that complains about being a victim of racism in twitter goes out his way to show how dey wuz the ancient griks
            >pictures of the urn-pre curation and data gets revealed
            >they find another tomb
            >They first find a sacked level with 2 elite corpses, they test them and relase the teated reaults but dismiss them
            >they are northern europeans
            >they keep digging
            >oh frick the tomb was sacked
            >turns out it was a kingly elite tomb
            >they go full damage control and quarantine the site for a couple years to curate it too and relase results similar to the griffin warrior while trying to dismiss the two aryans

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Muh israelites
            Buckbroken to the last I see

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin_Warrior_Tomb
            richest mycenean tomb was a minoan king ruling over myceneans

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why can't people write in complete articulate thoughts on this board? are you all autists?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            morons like those in pics above have been claiming for years that mycenean elites would turn out as high steppe (aka more northern european). Analysis of the richest mycenean tomb ironically proved the opposite, the lad had none. If you can't get this simple text I'm afraid you are moronic

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            thank you that was more coherent. Frankly it makes sense that someone who was buried with the symbol of a griffin would be.. from the region where the symbol of the griffin originated..

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They found a slave wih some 8% WSH buried in a rotual pit associated with an elite man in ancient greece. This slave appeared in a cultural context evidencing contact with minoans so he was probably one himself.

            The tomb had a couple bronze weapons and trinkets and slave races like southern italians and lazaridis (who is an armeno-greek from turkey) tried to tweak it so this pathetic serf appeared as his master rather than a simple slave manlet

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lmao what has your jimmies all rustled friend

            show me on the griffin warrior where did the lazarides touch you

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wft

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They were ANF, not "mena"
            The menaflag lost

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anf is the main dna component in MENA.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            anf is the main component in lots of places

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's just brown cope about the Hellenes, Romans, Franks, Anglo-Saxons, Germans, Americans, Mesopotamians, Egyptians all being ARYAN CIVILISATIONS

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mycenaeans

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so they are just typical southern euros? where is the MENA or african blood

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >da greek government dey hiding da samples
    steppe troons on suicide watch

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so basically the teams in this apparent dick-measuring contest are

    >Iosif and his ANF wuz the greeks

    vs

    >steppebunglers wuz the greeks

    is that it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were anf
      See this schizo
      >north europe

      Yep
      The sequence is something like this
      >Rcheologists find some ancient tombs with corpses and urns
      >they basically made of them top secret restricted areas so they can curate the content entirely
      >after this curation and selective relase process a ethnic turkish-armenian greek from a 20% israelitesih university in the kost leftist region on america that complains about being a victim of racism in twitter goes out his way to show how dey wuz the ancient griks
      >pictures of the urn-pre curation and data gets revealed
      >they find another tomb
      >They first find a sacked level with 2 elite corpses, they test them and relase the teated reaults but dismiss them
      >they are northern europeans
      >they keep digging
      >oh frick the tomb was sacked
      >turns out it was a kingly elite tomb
      >they go full damage control and quarantine the site for a couple years to curate it too and relase results similar to the griffin warrior while trying to dismiss the two aryans

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The usual suspects, the nordicist kangs are malding that Greeks weren't steppe kangz

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's just shitposters vs normal people.
      No one says that Greek language came from Anatolian farmers, but Greeks derived most of their ancestry from them.

      IQfy so-called nordicists never argue in good faith. They constantly lie, post outdated articles, use wikipedia as their main source and insult people proving them wrong.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    STJ thriving meanwhile Lazaridis seething.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lazaridis is a successful geneticist, STJ is a grifter for the low IQ

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lazaridis is a brown larper that Anthony and relch make fun of in private

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's white tho

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ...in his dreams. He's in fact just a brown ANF, Churkagrosian slave.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        trvke

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is it even correct to call steppe peoples aryan?

    [...]

    what is the ancestral group that is most aryan and when did the group form, according to the academic "consensus"?

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