Maybe much gets lost in translation but why do the Islamic fundamentals (not the high culture that miraculously sprang from it) seem so primitive and ...

Maybe much gets lost in translation but why do the Islamic fundamentals (not the high culture that miraculously sprang from it) seem so primitive and man-made.

The whole Hadiths are basically primitive heuristics to bring civilization to desert pagans, there is nothing profound or mysterious or deep in them. The Quran also just feels like a retelling of the Judaic and Christian stories, while being dumbed down so that it rhymes in Arabic.

But yet from this wonky fundamentals you somehow get marvelous civil engineering and beautiful architecture and spiritual purification in the form of Tasawwuf.

Is there something I am missing?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would you feel if I told you that the very idea of Iblis refusing to bow to Adam and being cast out of Eden was literally ripped from an early medieval israeli legend which Mohammed assumed was canon to Christianity and Judaism

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2 of my friends had full beards in fourth grade also

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >there is nothing profound or mysterious or deep in the hadith
    read more of them and have more introspection

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's just one of many hadiths designed to give muslims the impression that they are a chosen people whose every sin will be forgiven.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >designed to give muslims the impression that they are a chosen people whose every sin will be forgiven
        you're approaching a foreign piece of writing from an antagonistic viewpoint. how do you then expect to understand it with such attitude?

        The hadith is a declaration of God being free of needing sacrifice to forgive. If you read the hadith, you notice that Islam always promotes a positive outlook in life

        "The life of a believer is not prolonged expect for good" Muslim 2682

        "There is good for the believer in every matter, if hapiness comes to him, then he thanks Allah and thus there is good for him. If harm comes to him, then he shows patience and thus there is good for him" Muslim 2999

        Allah is always open to forgive his servant if he repents, even if he falls into sin again and again

        "If he draws near to Me an arm's length, I draw near to him a cubit, if he draws near to Me a cubit, I draw near to him a fathom. And if he walks towards Me, I rush towards him" Muslim 2675

        If you can't understand the profoundness of these sayings, you are spiritually dead

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You are delusional to believe I'll read your crap.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it doesn't even rhyme, it's just a jumbled together mess that is then melodically read as to make appear poetic and "beautiful". You can do this with literally any text

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Someone should make an AI audio tool of converting text to Quran recitation

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you know arabic?

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >there is nothing profound or mysterious or deep in them.
    The prophecies are that

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mecca and pre-islamic Arabia was a haven of trade by the time of Muhammad and even before the conquests they were exposed to plenty of outside influence. Muhammad's charisma and cunning is what unleashed the latent powers of Arab culture.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >But yet from this wonky fundamentals you somehow get marvelous civil engineering and beautiful architecture and spiritual purification in the form of Tasawwuf.
    They got this from their Eastern Roman subjects. Islamic mysticism is directly borrowed from the Platonic theology and meditative practices of Christian monastics. Their architecture was directly inspired by domed churches and roman arches.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's more specific than that, for their prayer rituals they need clean water, to get clean water flowing to a centralized Mosque area you need advanced civil engineering. And with those advanced engineering techniques the whole cities flourish in the end.

      Or art, in avoiding figure art, they somehow came up with advanced geometric patterns which foreshadowed discoveries in chemistry and computer science.

      So from crap axioms you get something grand. This is boggling.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >which foreshadowed discoveries in chemistry and computer science.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It did foreshadow geometric shapes that popped out of sciences, nothing that hard to believe.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It didn't foreshadow anything mong. At absolute best its coincidence, but given previous experience of Muslim miracle prophecies its much more likely that whatever connection you're trying to draw is incredibly tenuous and only believable to someone with an IQ decimated by centuries of inbreeding.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Foreign influence obviously.
    Islamic societies are not advanced in anyway.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Maybe much gets lost in translation but why do the Islamic fundamentals (not the high culture that miraculously sprang from it) seem so primitive and man-made.
    More than anything what has struck me for years is how derivative Islam is. The Quran syncretises a bunch of myths and legends and apocrypha available to 7th century Arabs. A lot of that is from the Judeo-Christian and pagan Arab traditions but you also get really incongruous things making their way in like the pre-Islamic tales of Dhu al-Qarnayn and Luqman the Wise. There's such a strong geographic/historical context to this derivativeness that it's difficult to conclude that what we're seeing is anything but the work of man.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >There's such a strong geographic/historical context to this derivativeness that it's difficult to conclude that what we're seeing is anything but the work of man

      So what you're saying is that the Quran is an Arabic fan fiction of the Greek fan fiction (NT) of the Hebrew scriptures (OT). The Bible itself being a book written by many authors over centuries. I mean, this is the academic view after all. Or are you one of those Christians who believes "my book real", "your book false".

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Or are you one of those Christians who believes "my book real", "your book false".
        lolno

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the new testament in greek is also written in hilariously simplistic 'marketplace' language. the King James version and other translations of that period really brought it to life

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I heard a Greek saying that it's to Greek what ebonics is to US english.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Radiochan

    why does a primitive desert tribe book come across like a primitive desert tribe book?

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does there need to be anything mysterious to it? That just seems like you need to muddy the waters in order to sell your particular brand of horseshit. I offer you that the beautiful architecture and civil engineering was made possible by the will of creative and productive individuals, IN SPITE of having a bullshit metaphysics and epistemology.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Still the bullshit metaphysics and epistemology served as the why do x. Trigonometry was developed to solve problems that cropped up in their bullshit, as did civil engineering. So it was just luck?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a combination of
        1. The creativity of an individual to design a building.
        2. The willpower of an individual to build it.
        3. The available resources at the time (Building material/money).
        If they didn't do it for their god, they would've done it because humans love creating things.

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